Dairy-free - how about sheep / goat's milk products?

I think any animal milk will have similar dietary effects, although data is probably lacking because of the small numbers of people who rely entirely on sheep's or cows' milk.

Here's what we've found about soy milks, though:
1. Supermarket own brands are a bit watery and tasteless. Alpro is better.
2. There are two types of soy milk in some ranges (e.g. Alpro). The packaging and nutritional content are similar, but one type is sold from the chill cabinet, while the other, which is slightly cheaper, is usually found near soft drinks or UHT milk, and has a much longer shelf life. The chilled product is fine in cofffee, but the other one curdles and separates. Try the chilled one for use in coffee and tea.
3. The nut milks (almond, coconut) - which are not soy products - are quite pleasant as a drink or on cereals.

Marje

I have gone dairy free too because of the recommendations in "The Plant Diet".  Dairy includes any animal.  The various Alpro alternatives are good and IMHO taste better than cows milk.  The supermarkets have 'free from' products including butter, cheese and yogurt alternatives.

Better to drink green tea, black tea and coffee are very acidic.

Steve

Hi CD

After reading several of Jane Plant's books I'm sure that sheep or goat's milk couldn't be considered an alternative on a dairy free diet. I started the dairy free diet about a month ago. It hasn't been easy (makes you realise just how much milk and milk products we were consuming beforehand) but it does get easier as time goes on so try to persevere. I've tried many alternative milks and have found that Koko coconut milk works well in tea. I find soya milk too sweet but everyone has their own taste preferences I guess.

Good luck with the diet. Keep persevering and hopefully you'll find something that works for you.

MMM

Unsweetened almond milk is lovely in tea. I've also tried Swedish Glace ice cream, trouble is many of these things are very high in added sugar, but good as an occasional treat. Last year I managed to find a dairy free cheesecake in Holland and Barratts freezer ! Lots of dairy free stuff obtainable on Amazon UK if it's hard to get at supermarkets and health food shops. The soya milks I use are sweetened but with apple juice, ok on cereal and make wonderful porrage but not good in coffee as they seperate easily unless the coffee has cooled. Ther are some excellent soya yoghurts about, often supermarket own brand, I like Tesco's plain soya youghurt, you can add what you want to it and nice taste !

Fiona.

Edited by member 18 Sep 2015 at 16:05  | Reason: Not specified

Thanks for those thoughts, everyone http://community.prostatecanceruk.org/editors/tiny_mce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-laughing.gif.

I agree with MMM that it's surprising just how many things do have dairy products in.  I actually miss good cheese quite a bit.  I've tried the Violife stuff, but I find it it pretty tasteless.  I've ordered some Buteisland stuff to try - my daughter's vegan and recommended it - it's being delivered this afternoon so we'll see how that goes.

Of the non-animal milks, I find the Oat-based stuff the best so far - really can't get on with the rice one and too much of the soya stuff gives me, er, 'secondary issues' (wind http://community.prostatecanceruk.org/editors/tiny_mce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-laughing.gif).

Thanks again - I'll post again when I've tried the Sheese!

Aah if it were only that simple, I suspect that it would have been promoted a lot more by now.  I have read a JP book, and remain unconvinced of here and her ethos.  No matter, moving on.

This morning on R2 a lady called Amelia Freer, link: http://ameliafreer.com, was discussing dairy free milk, mentioned Almond Milk, and stated that DFM can be created from any nuts, and her favourite was Hazelnut milk. 

She uses a HD grinder/blender, a Vitamix, there is a similar blender made by a company called Froothie, (I think?) almost ID to a V but cheaper, and she just adds water to finely ground hazelnuts then sieves the result. 

Worth a try maybe?  How much all this is worth if you have had PCa, I do not know?  Or to prevent a recurrence, I do not know.  

dave

Hi Guys,

As I understand it (and I may be wrong) the theory behind a dairy free diet is as follows:

We don't know exactly why some of us develop cancers while others do not.  The precise causes remain a mystery, however there is circumstantial evidence that suggests diet might have something to do with it?

Following on from Jane's Plants observation that there is much less breast and prostate cancer in east asian cultures that enjoy dairy free diets, we look at dairy food as a possible culprit?

What is apparent is that humans have evolved to grow relatively slowly, in a wild world at times of danger our mothers would pick us up and run, so we didn't need to be too heavy.  However four legged animals cannot do this, a calf needs to be on its feet and ready to run away under its own steam as fast as possible.

Consequently cows milk contains many more growth hormones than mothers milk, and a calf will double in weight twice as fast as a human baby.

So when you consume dairy products from cattle you are consuming a supercharged product with lots more growth hormones that your human body was designed to deal with.

It might, and it is a big MIGHT, be these extra strong growth hormones that cause cancer to develop in the first place, or allow tumours to grow so fast once established.  Especially when we know that elimination of hormones in Hormone therapy stops, or at least delays, growth of the cancer. 

So far as I know this theory applies equally to goats, sheep and cows milk.

:)

Dave

If dairy products are implicated - and I really don't know whether this is the case or not - most of the men now being diagnosed with PC are of the generation brought up with school milk every day for ten years or more. Cheese and milk products were always considered healthy and nourishing, although in recent decades we've been warned off the high-fat products.

So although there is anecdotal evidence of cancers being stopped in their tracks by a strict dietary regime, I fear that in many cases the damage, however caused, is done. Another thought about this is that without the benefit of dairy products, some people would develop brittle bones and die of hip fractures and complications.

Looking at other populations may be helpful, but there may be confounding factors. For instance, the oriental cultures often take little or no alcohol, as many of them can't tolerate it. They, and we, may also have evolved in other ways, responding and adapting to the foods that have been readily available in our regions.

So I support my husband's efforts to stay dairy-free since his diagnosis, but there is no sign of a magical reversal. It may be helping (along with the pomegranate juice, green tea, and turmeric) but we'll never know for sure which, if any, of these, is slowing things down at all.

Hi Guys,

Just a point on the osteporosis issue, (Jane Plant covers it in some depth in her books).

It seems that the reason that many of us, men and women, get brittle bones in our old age is not that our diets lack calcium, but that our bodies need Vitamin D to convert that calcium into bone.

The main source of vitamin D is sunshine and as we all know we don't get enough of that in the UK, especially these last last few months.

There is quite a bit of evidence that men in most northern countries like Canada, Sweden etc get more PCa than those living in sunnier places.

But you don't need dairy products as an adult to give you strong bones, elephants and rhino's seem to manage to grow strong bones on a vegan diet, but of course they enjoy plenty of sunshine?

:)

Dave 

could I take my 2weeks in the scottish highlands as I prefer being their to anywhere in the UK lol.
this debate I think you are either for or against, me personally I have cut out what I think is most dairy no longer have milk (soya on porridge), cheese,eggs and drink green/fruit tea or water have a little marg on any bread I have, and I have a treat of a cappuccino a day, we both do not smoke or drink any alchol for over 40 years

as already been said will never know if any of this changes thing, but its another issue not bothering my mind and that is important to me

regards
nidge