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Posted 17 Jan 2017 at 19:09

hi,just had my latest psa results since stopping ht on the 4th july 2016 0.05 chuffed with that ,but last week i had to go to a and e with terrible left hip pain could not turn over in bed,had x-ray lying down thought it had to be standing for hip x-ray,told me i had arthritis,but now i have slow throbbing in lower back,just said take paracetemol,anyone have any thoughts on this please.thankyou.

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Posted 17 Jan 2017 at 22:01
Hi Radar,

I didn't put this on my own thread and this is nothing to do with pca but heck I have had a bad back I am blaming

A- age

B- lifting a Bull Terrier onto the vets table/coupled with my age

C- constantly bending to pick up puppy poop/coupled with my age

Mine has also been excruciating I have taken every over the counter pain killer / rub / gel and heat pad on the market and even contemplated Trevor's morphine at one point.

BFN

Julie X

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Posted 30 Jan 2017 at 13:22

Hi Guys,

For years I have had periodic bouts of 'arthritis' in my right hip, one day I will be just fine and dandy, indeed on a good day I can walk ten miles, then on another day I can hardly get down a flight of stairs, my hip gives out on me and I get a shooting pain from my hip to my knee.

I have always attributed it to arthritis, the doctors diagnosed arthritis in my hands and feet, and the MRI scanners looking for PCa, commented that my left hip looked better than my right.

However I have just been reading a bit in the newspaper about 'Bulging wallet sciatica', and suddenly it all makes sense.  I have always kept my bill-fold wallet in my right hip pocket, years ago it contained nothing more than a few folded bank notes.  But over the years it has grown ever thicker with credit cards, debit cards. loyalty cards etc.

According to the newspaper article ever thicker wallets put pressure on the sciatic nerves.

So before you go blaming Zoladex etc, a simple remedy might be to move your wallet to your jacket pocket?

:)

Dave  

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Posted 17 Jan 2017 at 20:00

Hi radar,

I do have arthritis in my upper and lower spine but currently the pains in my hands, knee and across my foot is what is making life difficult

My hip pain was so bad I thought I must be in need of a new one but it was my foot causing it.

Have you been offered any physio because it really can help. We are in a catch 22 situation.

We hurt so we reduce our activity and because of that we restrict the use of our muscles by not exercising and that in turn causes us pain and so it goes on.

I have never found paracetamol to be effective for anything. I do currently have Meloxicam which helps as do liquid ibruprofen tablets. They are NSAIDs so work on inflammation

Not everyone can take them though and of course you do have PC treatments which may have/will have an effect on whatever you take.

Have you seen your GP? They might not be so dismissive.

Hip pain is a grinding you down type and will affect your quality of sleep which will make everything so much worse.

I hope you get some speedy relief

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Posted 17 Jan 2017 at 21:21

johsan thanks,saw gp today he just said take paracetemol and do stretches,think i will make another appointment with another gp for a second opinion,i have been doing weight training to keep my bones strong prior to being dx with osteoarthritis to my hip,now i dont know what to do.anyone else chime in.cheers.

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Posted 17 Jan 2017 at 22:01
Hi Radar,

I didn't put this on my own thread and this is nothing to do with pca but heck I have had a bad back I am blaming

A- age

B- lifting a Bull Terrier onto the vets table/coupled with my age

C- constantly bending to pick up puppy poop/coupled with my age

Mine has also been excruciating I have taken every over the counter pain killer / rub / gel and heat pad on the market and even contemplated Trevor's morphine at one point.

BFN

Julie X

NEVER LAUGH AT A LIVE DRAGON
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Posted 17 Jan 2017 at 22:47

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

johsan thanks,saw gp today he just said take paracetemol and do stretches,think i will make another appointment with another gp for a second opinion,i have been doing weight training to keep my bones strong prior to being dx with osteoarthritis to my hip,now i dont know what to do.anyone else chime in.cheers.

 

It's not just the strengthening of your bones radar, but the muscles and ligaments supporting them. Physio will help with that as will anti inflammatories if you can take them

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Posted 18 Jan 2017 at 08:58

Hi Radar,

I posted this the other day on another thread to do with arthritis, it is merely the things that I have found that help:

Hormone therapy causes the bones to thin, as old men without testosterone we are just like old women and prone to osteoporosis, and our muscles will grow smaller and loose their strength, so none of this will help arthritic joints.


What can we do about it?


Personally I persuaded my GP to put me on a junior aspirin every day, there is some evidence it fights cancer, it thins the blood leading to better circulation and it is a bit anti-inflammatory.


Another trick, is to pig out on a high dose of Ibuprofen.  Apparently you need to take Ibuprofen for about 3 days before it has an anti-inflammatory effect, and you mustn't take it too long either, its a sort of Goldilocks thing, not too little and not too much.  You need to get the strongest tablets from behind the chemists counter and take them for a week, take whatever the back of the packet recommends as the maximum daily dose, every day for a week, then stop to let your body recover, repeat every 2 to 3 months.


Finally, there is apparently some chemical found in apple skin that combats muscle loss in the elderly, so an apple a day, but don't peal it.

Also I find a good drink does me good, I tend to stay tee-total for much of the time, sometimes weeks on end, then I will have a bit of a session, a bottle of red wine, half a bottle of scotch, something like that.  They say alcohol is a muscle relaxant, and it seems that if I have been having hip troubles a good drink sort of resets the muscles around the joint and usually I am much better in the days following.

:)

Dave

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Posted 18 Jan 2017 at 09:47

thanks,do you also get pain in the groin area,this has set me back a bit when in bed ache from my hips downward,i must have had this a while but blamed it on zoladex, i have read in the daily express that fast walking around the house for 6 minutes is supposed to be good,and recumbient bikes are even better anyone heard of these.cheers.

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Posted 27 Jan 2017 at 20:19

radar

am going to see GP about my hip pain, also my inability to be able to bend over really struggle to put my socks on, and getting in and out of car especially if I park in a small bay

also have what feels like constant sunburn across my back and itching also if I scratch it feels worse, do get some groin pain and my testicles are very tender

tried to run for a bus today managed 20feet blowing like an old man and it set my hips off, found it really emotional after all the running I did

will see what GP says

regards

nidge

run long and prosper

'pooh how do you spell love'

'piglet you dont spell love -you just feel it'

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Posted 27 Jan 2017 at 23:31

Hi Nidge,

One thing I have noticed in recent years, is itchy skin, particularly on my back and particularly at this time of year.

I find that once spring comes along, or better still summer, and I can spend time in the garden with my shirt off, my skin gets far better, and once summer proper is here and I can spend days on the beach I feel just wonderful.

Lack of Vitamin D is a big risk factor with PCa, and thinking back some years, I don't know whether it was Rob, or Top Gun, but one of those guys who used to do all the research came up with the 40 - 40 rule.  Apparently at our latitude you need to expose 40% of your body to sunshine for 40 minutes a day to get sufficient Vitamin D to combat PCa.

In the summer I manage that easily, in the winter I don't, and as winter progresses I get ever itchier skin.

So short of a holiday somewhere warm, you need to get your shirt off just as soon as we have some warm sunshine.

:)

Dave

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Posted 28 Jan 2017 at 18:51

thanks,i am at gps again on tuesday,probably wasting my time keep taking paracetemol first thats what they say,i am starting to watch what i lift because that brings the pain in my groins,really sharp stabbing pains,my legs also feel numb especially on a morning,i also have tingling in my hands,i have started doing stretches and hip strengthening,and i am going to get a recumbient bike,theres been a lot about cutting down hip replacement in the news lately,if you have moderate pain you dont qualify,i blame this on zoladex.cheers.

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Posted 28 Jan 2017 at 19:41

I think you should write all this down to take to the GP with you Radar, I am wondering if you have a hernia

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 30 Jan 2017 at 13:22

Hi Guys,

For years I have had periodic bouts of 'arthritis' in my right hip, one day I will be just fine and dandy, indeed on a good day I can walk ten miles, then on another day I can hardly get down a flight of stairs, my hip gives out on me and I get a shooting pain from my hip to my knee.

I have always attributed it to arthritis, the doctors diagnosed arthritis in my hands and feet, and the MRI scanners looking for PCa, commented that my left hip looked better than my right.

However I have just been reading a bit in the newspaper about 'Bulging wallet sciatica', and suddenly it all makes sense.  I have always kept my bill-fold wallet in my right hip pocket, years ago it contained nothing more than a few folded bank notes.  But over the years it has grown ever thicker with credit cards, debit cards. loyalty cards etc.

According to the newspaper article ever thicker wallets put pressure on the sciatic nerves.

So before you go blaming Zoladex etc, a simple remedy might be to move your wallet to your jacket pocket?

:)

Dave  

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Posted 30 Jan 2017 at 18:29

dave, i dont use a wallet,i still blame it on zoladex,i am only a small guy not overweight,i am underweight if anything,i have been doing weight training to keep my bones strong since being dx with hip arthritis,and numbness down my legs,tingling in hands,no more squats now. gp in morning probably wasting my time,i never see the same gp twice and they say different things its confusing.

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Posted 30 Jan 2017 at 19:29

radar

Can only give my experience on back, groin and leg issues: mid 1970's Spondo arthritis resulted in op to put 2 pins in back. Early 1990's diagnosed lumber arthritis. Recent GP examination mainly around scar area (L4/5). GP somewhat taken a back I reported quite a bit less back pain these past 12 months than previous years "as you're certainly got arthritis". Past circa 2 years hand/fingers developed osto arthritis, that was expected due to past and present work. Given stretch exercises. So can I blame 47 months of Zoladex, I don't think so.

Good luck at GP

Ray

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Posted 30 Jan 2017 at 20:07

hi radar

seen my gp today told him about my back aches and pain thinks its neurological given me some tablets (Gabapentin) to try, said if they do not help then will investigate further

also said the swelling in groin felt like a swollen lymph node

regards

nidge

run long and prosper

'pooh how do you spell love'

'piglet you dont spell love -you just feel it'

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Posted 31 Jan 2017 at 11:36

hi,just got back from gp laid on couch doing leg movements,then he was pressing areas of my stomach, he said i have not got arthritis,felt a bit relieved,he then he said i see that you have had radiotherapy,he thinks the groin pain and numbness are late effects of radiotherapy nerve damage  worried again that seems worse than arthritis,pains in my groins after doing daily tasks very painful sharp stabbing then i have to sit down,asked me when i next see urologist i told him june,i saw him last november then i only had an ache in my right groin and he said nothing to do with prostate cancer and that my psa was undetectable,but now i have pain in both groins and numbness in legs,sorry this is a bit long,any help please.cheers.

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Posted 31 Jan 2017 at 17:09

anyone.

User
Posted 31 Jan 2017 at 18:36

have you thought about seeing an osteopath privately? Please check they are properly qualified and check out websites for comments. mine costs 35 pounds once or twice a year to relieve back pain.

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Posted 31 Jan 2017 at 18:54
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Posted 31 Jan 2017 at 18:56

thanks ,its not back pain its hip and groin pain,i have seen 4 different gps lately to try to find out,ist gp said probably pulled a muscle,2nd gp said possibly muscle strain,3rd doc said osteoarthritis,4th gp today probably nerve damage 3yrs after rt with numbness in legs,its doing my head in to get a positive dx.when i see the next gp im going to tell him im not satisfied.cheers.

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Posted 31 Jan 2017 at 19:37

It might be easier Radar if you just said what you are worried about - different medical people have given you advice and apparently none of them have said what you want to hear.

You have said it all in your last post "the next GP I see" .... if you are frightened that this is to do with your cancer then say so and ask to see your oncologist. We can't give you the answers because everyone here that has tried to help you had said similar things but it isn't reassuring you at all.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 31 Jan 2017 at 21:24

lyn,the gps say all different things,they know my last psa in november was undetectable,i am not with oncology now i finished ht in july,i saw the urologist in november and i complained about ache in right groin,he said nothing to do with pc.3wks ago i was in bed and i had terrible pain in my left hip went to a +e the next day had x-ray doc said inflammation,but now its also moved to my left hip and groin,groin painful when i lift things,could be crack s in bones or bone change due to rt if its not arthritis,its hard to get a scan.

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Posted 31 Jan 2017 at 22:23

Yes I know but you are not really being clear about what it is that you fear. The specialist and most of the doctors have told you it isn't the cancer so it seems to me more important that you get help for the pain than keep seeing different people in the hope that one of them will have a magic solution. I don't think there is going to be a magic solution.

Unlikely that RT could have changed the bones. Unlikely to be cancer spreading. Possibly to do with the changes to your muscles and ligaments being on hormones and then coming off, in which case low impact exercise (like swimming) is the best thing. It could be that as you have increased the gym visits to try to improve your skinniness, you have pulled something or are doing some exercises with a poor technique in which case the best thing is to get advice from one of the gym staff. As some of the guys have pointed out, it could just be that you are getting older and things hurt more. Or it could be arthritis and/or you could have some radiation nerve damage in which finding the right balance of pain killers is all you can do.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 01 Feb 2017 at 08:21

thanks lyn, regards weight training i have been doing that for yrs,so i am quite experienced,since been dx with pc i have cut it down to just light training,thankyou for all your replies,i will just have to see how i get on.cheers.

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Posted 01 Feb 2017 at 09:54

Hi Guys,

Look I know on one level this seems flippant and silly, but the bulging wallet sciatica isn't just some newspaper spoof, it is real.

It is only day 3 since I stopped carrying my wallet in my hip pocket, however it really works, I have enjoyed 2 days without the slightest hip pain, and I no longer hesitate at the top of the stairs, wondering whether to take that often all too painful first step. 

It's not just the pain relief either, there's a psychological impact as well, for some years now I have cursed my luck, blamed arthritis, and assumed that it was going to get progressively worse, dreams like hillwalking with my grandchildren were consigned to the waste bin of things I would never achieve in this life.  But now I am a new man, I can run and jump again, the 'mental waste bin' of things I can no longer do is being shaken up.  Turns out the only problem I had was having too much money stuffed in my back pocket.

I don't want to make light of the suffering of those of you who really have arthritis, or PCa in the bones, but by the same token, it is sometimes a mistake to make assumptions, I know I have arthritis in the hands and feet, so when I got similar pain in the hip I just assumed it was arthritis, but I assumed wrong.  So if you keep searching you may find some simple remedy like rearranging what you carry in your pockets?

:)

Dave

 
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