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PC diagnosis and my mind is blown

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Posted 04 Feb 2017 at 14:26
Hi all. I've been trawling this site for the last few days and have found it very informative. My husband was diagnosed with PC on Tuesday. T3a with Gleason score of 5+4 (9) N1 doc said one lymph node was suspicious and a PSA of 22.6. Started him on 3 months of hormone treatment immediately and brachytherapy to follow. Bone scan next Thursday. What I want to know is why some people with similar stats have chemo and some don't. Chemo wasn't mentioned with my husband and I'm wondering why. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Am seriously devestated and trying to get my head around it and find some level ground at the moment so I can support my husband and kids through this nightmare xxx
Debbie xxx
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Posted 04 Feb 2017 at 19:57

So sorry Debbie this has happened to your family. Don't despair yet as there are many men on here G9 who have survived a good while and many years. It's rarely an emergency if you get what I mean. Click my profile if you want. I am G9 and T4 and N1 and am only 49 years old. My psa at surgery was 43. In my case they hadn't spotted it was spread already so I underwent surgery and all it's dramas and side effects unnecessarily. At least your hubby won't have to go through that. I often refer to specialists and treatment as a bit voodoo as after being on this site over two years , and other sites , it is plain to see that men with identical stats get treated quite differently in various parts of the country depending on that areas and consultants knowledge , past results , outcomes etc etc etc. I think all specialists only want the best for you and help you survive , yet they ARE restricted by local funding , and if you read profiles and learn as much as you can , it IS worth questioning your treatment and you have every right to do so. I'm currently fighting for a scan that is available , only not in my area !!!!
Stay strong , stay on the forum. Many people far more experienced than me on here and they will help. It can be quiet at weekends though. Best wishes

User
Posted 04 Feb 2017 at 20:42
This link might help.. might be worth asking the consultant.

http://prostatecanceruk.org/prostate-information/treatments/chemotherapy

Edited by member 04 Feb 2017 at 20:48  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 04 Feb 2017 at 21:16
Thank you Ray, every piece of info is invaluable at the moment xx
Debbie xxx
User
Posted 04 Feb 2017 at 21:18
Jeez Chris you've been through a lot. It's just that everything terrifies me at the moment. Thanks again for responding xx
Debbie xxx
User
Posted 04 Feb 2017 at 23:27

Hi Debbie

Very sorry you find yourself here but it is the most wonderfully informative and supportive place to be...and everyone will understand what you are going through. Particularly the terror/fear/panic. I think we've all been there (and generally more than once!) This is the tough part - coming to terms with an impossible diagnosis and not knowing what to expect or what the options are.

But there's lots of expertise available: from members who will, I'm sure, be able to answer your question; from the specialist nurses who are superb (you can phone or text or email them); and from the Toolkit that you can download or send for - a series of leaflets that explain all aspects of diagnosis and treatment.

Although as Chris says, treatments vary from place to place and consultant to consultant, the HT plus chemo route is now well researched and evidenced so if it's not being suggested there's probably a good reason. Suggest you ask, and keep on asking if you don't get a clear answer. The response might well be a positive one - if your husband doesn't need it yet that's a good sign.

Either way, hang on in there. It will get less frightening I promise.

Take care.

Eleanor

x

 

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Posted 04 Feb 2017 at 23:48
Thank you for your response Eleanor. I can't tell you how helpful and reassuring it is to have somewhere to ask questions or just vent. I am beginning to realise there are stages to the treatments depending on where you are with the disease rather than throwing everything at it at the beginning and exhausting all avenue to early. I guess it makes sense to hold back with some treatments in case you need them later so I'm going to take your word for it and presume that if chemo's not on the table now it's because he doesn't need it, thank god for small mercies. Thanks again xxx
Debbie xxx
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Posted 05 Feb 2017 at 00:15

You and me both Debbie! The forum is a lifeline - when it all seems too much to handle this is where I come. Sometimes to rant and howl, sometimes to ask for advice, sometimes to try to offer it.

I know that you are going through hell but you aren't on your own. You'll find the members will be with you every step of the way. And somehow they will even manage to make you laugh. Awesome bunch of people.

Eleanor

x

User
Posted 05 Feb 2017 at 07:37

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
presume that if chemo's not on the table now it's because he doesn't need it

Debbie,

I would urge you not to presume, ask your Onco, is early chemo a good idea for my OH, if not, why not? Any good Onco won't mind you taking an active part in discussing possible treatments, in fact a good Onco will welcome it. I worship my Onco, I trust her implicitly but I do question and debate with her.

If OH does have early chemo it may not be too bad to deal with, see my thread here:

http://community.prostatecanceruk.org/posts/t12197-Docetaxel-Chemo---the-highs-and-the-lows#post152202

As Eleanor has already said, you can rely on the members here, both male and female, to support you all the way. They will wrap you up in love and cuddle you when you need to be cuddled, a virtual cuddle of course. http://community.prostatecanceruk.org/editors/tiny_mce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-wink.gif

David

User
Posted 05 Feb 2017 at 08:31
Thanks for your response. I hope our onco is as good as yours sounds. Xx
Debbie xxx
User
Posted 05 Feb 2017 at 12:25

If they are considering brachytherapy then they must be fairly confident that it is early stage and the lymph node is a red herring - they wouldn't offer curative treatment to someone who is incurable.

Chemo does not cure prostate cancer; until recently it was only used in the final stages of a man's life to reduce pain and make him more comfortable for a while longer. With the new research, it has been shown that chemo can make the hormone treatments more effective for longer. Only applicable for men who are incurable, though.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 05 Feb 2017 at 16:05
Lynne, I can't tell you how reassured I am from your post. Trying to find some positives at the moment is difficult. The consultant did tell us that they were absolutely going for a cure with my OH but I wasn't sure how much of that was him trying to give us some confidence after all the bad news!!!!, We dont know much about this disease and I am trying to get a sense of where we are! Tell me can HT and brachytherapy actually "cure" this disease, as in completely!!!! I realise there is always a possibility it will return down the line but can it actually be cured or is the best case scenario a remission??
Debbie xxx
User
Posted 05 Feb 2017 at 17:01

Well, I sincerely hope that Brachytherapy is a cure since that's what my husband had !!

His was permanent Seeds , without any prior HT. It is a single treatment. His scores though were lower than your husbands

Is your husband looking at HDR (High dose radiotherapy)

If his consultant has said they are going for a cure then trust him.

We can't control the winds - but we can adjust our sails
User
Posted 05 Feb 2017 at 17:47

You ask about a real cure rather than just remission ... they are the same thing. Technically, there is no cure for cancer - not many oncologists say 'you are cured' and in medical terms the word 'remission' means the cancer has been removed and there is no sign of it ever coming back. Many people get remission for the rest of their lives which in most minds equates to being cured. The medics will talk about 'curative' treatment and brachy is one of these. Your OH will be considered in remission if he has 5 years of low PSA after his treatment, and official remission comes 10 years after treatment. My dad got a letter from the hospital telling him he was in remission when he hit the 10 year mark.

The NHS can't afford to waste money on curative treatment for people that they don't think are cureable so the fact that you are being directed towards brachy is a good thing. My guess is that they can't confirm that until after the bone scans have been done, just in case there is any spread. If there are any mets, then curative treatment is off the table.

Your OH is fortunate to be offered brachy; it is quite unusual with your stats. Usual criteria are: small prostate, PSA less than 10, Gleason 7 or less. Very, very unusual to be offered brachy with lymph node involved so it may be that they think the suspicious node is probably not cancerous? Have you asked about IMRT (external radiotherapy) as well?

Edited by member 05 Feb 2017 at 17:51  | Reason: Not specified

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 05 Feb 2017 at 22:16
Hi lyn, yes they have said he will have a course of external RT after the brachytherapy and yes he is having HDR brachy. I suppose we have to put our faith in the onco and pray that the bone scan comes back clear. Consultant did say that they looked at the bones on the pelvic MRI and that all looked ok so fingers crossed it comes back With no mets. Thanks so much for your advise it's been a big help and I'm seeing a slightly clearer picture I think.
Debbie xxx
User
Posted 05 Feb 2017 at 22:18
Johsan, delighted to here your husband had such a great outcome. I have never known anyone with this disease so I can't tell you how relieved I am to here this. Xx
Debbie xxx
User
Posted 09 Feb 2017 at 21:01
Hello Debbie I just wanted to say hello and let you know that I am thinking of you. I am new to this site. My lovely Dad got a G9 diagnosis last week (absolutely terrifying) and has his bone scan next Thursday too. I will be thinking of you and your OH and sending positive thoughts and best wishes xxx
User
Posted 10 Feb 2017 at 11:13

Hi Debbie and Caroline,

Just to add to all the replies, it might make you feel better to know that I was also diagnosed Gleason 9, T stage 3a and 3b, and I also had a suspicious lymph node, my PSA at diagnosis was 32.

All of that was back in 2007, I am still here, enjoying life looking after my grandchildren ten years later, and my latest PSA was 0.4.  You can see full details in my profile.

:)

Dave  

User
Posted 10 Feb 2017 at 17:44
Hi there. Thanks so much for your message. I'm so sorry you and your dad are here. This is all very scary isn't it and I've found the waiting between tests brutal. You could drive yourself mad with "what if"!!! We've had some great news today and OH bone scan came back clear so that's a huge relief!!!!! Just cracking on with HT now and waiting for Monday to hear if he has to have chemo. Good luck with everything and keep in touch. Debbie xx
Debbie xxx
User
Posted 10 Feb 2017 at 17:49
Hi Dave. Thanks for your message and it's very reassuring to know your still here fighting on 10 years after diagnosis. You were exactly the same age at diagnosis as my husband is, 54!! with very similar stats on diagnosis so I was interested to read your story. I am just beginning to get my head around the fact that he is not going to meet his maker any time soon and reading your story has reinforced that so I'm eternally grateful for you post xxxx
Debbie xxx
User
Posted 10 Feb 2017 at 19:01

Dave, just realised you are also having your treatment at Mount Vernon, so are we bizarre!! Who is your consultant??

Debbie xxx
User
Posted 10 Feb 2017 at 19:58
Oh Debbie I am so pleased that the scan was clear, it must have felt good to hear something positive during such a stressful and worrying time. I hope your OH responds well to treatment. With much love and fingers crossed!
User
Posted 10 Feb 2017 at 19:59
Thank you so much Dave for your good wishes and positive story. Such wonderful happy news to hear that you are doing well and enjoying your grandchildren.
User
Posted 10 Feb 2017 at 20:21

Hi Debbie,

There is a sort of etiquette, that we don't name our doctors on this site.

I have total faith in the Professor at Mount Vernon, all of the doctors who have treated me, and the nursing staff who have made my stays in hospital so wonderful, I wouldn't say a bad word about any of them.

But not everyone who posts on this website has had such a positive experience and some would be decidedly non-complimentary about their doctors, so for that reason there are no names.

:)

Dave

User
Posted 11 Feb 2017 at 08:40
Ohh I'm sorry I didn't realise but of course that makes perfect sense. I'm happy to hear you have had a good experience at MV. Thanks again for your post xx
Debbie xxx
 
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