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Posted 06 May 2017 at 11:16
Hi All

My OH is having chemo no 4 next Friday and my thoughts are beginning to turn to his radiotherapy which will follow chemo.

Can anyone explain to me what salvage radiotherapy is as opposed to normal external beam radiotherapy which is what I think my OH is having. I don't know what the term salvage means in this context.

Also has anyone ever heard of SpaceOar Hydrogel. My understanding is it helps with radiotherapy but do they do it in this country?? Has anyone in here ever had it done.

Thanks Debbie x

Debbie xxx
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Posted 06 May 2017 at 12:57

Ooooh, this is a new situation - is your other half on a trial of some kind?

In brief:
- radical RT is a curative treatment given in the hope that it will get rid of the cancer - usually given in conjunction with hormones (HT)
- salvage RT is given to someone who has already had other treatments but they failed (usually surgery) so the hope is that the RT will mop up whatever was left behind
- RT can be external beam or internal (brachytherapy)
- until recently chemo was only given to men in the final stages of there disease ... because PCa is a hormonal cancer, chemo cannot cure it. However, recent research has shown that chemo given early can make the HT work for longer in men with metastatic spread (ie incurable PCa)
- to have chemo before RT is exceptional - I can only think of one other member on here who has been given chemo in the circumstances you seem to be in

Spaceoar - available in the US but still new and a bit experimental - it supposedly reduces the risk of side effects from the RT (specifically, damage to the bowel) - I think we have a member on here who managed to get it in the UK but it is not common.

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Posted 06 May 2017 at 16:44
Hi Debbie, I had a radical prostatectomy in July 2015 which resulted in negative margins. My staging as T3, N0, M0 but intraductal spread was present in addition to the "normal" cancer in my Prostate. In September 2016 my PSA jumped to 0.3 and was 0.6 towards the end of October. MRI scanning using gadolinium enhancement showed a tumour on the Prostate bed where the cancer had broken through the capsule originally. My oncologist was very concerned that given the timing and rate of PSA increase there was more to this recurrence than the prostate bed tumour and that micro metastasis was quite likely. He sent me for a choline PET scan to check fir spread. I had the scan 20/12/16 and started bicalutamide that day followed by a prostap injection on 29/12/16. The PET scan confirmed the prostate bed tumour plus a much more active tumour at a seminal vesicle remnant but no sign of spread elsewhere. The oncologist was initially against salvage radiotherapy due to the potential toxicity hitting the seminal vesicle. I asked for a second opinion the result of which was I went for a planning scan 3/3/17 and because the scan was favourable I started salvage RT on 28/3. 20 sessions until I finished 26/4/17. I have been told there is around a 40% chance that this will cure me but it is at least a final attempt at a cure. I will remain on prostap 3 for the next two years after which that will stop and we will see what happens. I have side effects just now which are mainly bowel related and tiredness. Some bladder irritation too. I have been told these side effects should start to moderate after a few weeks. As Lynn has said any treatment beyond the initial treatment is called a salvage treatment. Salvage radiotherapy after surgery, salvage surgery after radiotherapy but this is rare. I hope this information is of some use to you. Feel free to ask for more info if you need it. Best wishes, Ian.

Ido4

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Posted 06 May 2017 at 17:44
Hi, I had early chemo ( docetaxl 6 sessions 3 weeks apart) in Jan 2015 followed by 6 doses of RT two months later. I asked my onco why I was having RT as my disease had already spread and he said there is some evidence that blasting the mother ship can reduce the rate of future cancer growth. I had my 6 sessions fine. 8 months later I started bleeding from my bottom, saw specialist, had colonoscopy and said I have radiation proctitis ie collateral damage from RT. Not a massive issue but now need to have small area lazered to stop bleeding now. I write the last bit not to scare you but to say that collateral damage is possible yet need not be really bad as it has never stopped me doing anything.

No idea why my doc did what he did however he appears close to research as I had early chemo before it was widely known to be a good thing and a few other things he has informally advised me have since been given some credibility i.e. Baby adoring a day plus max rec amount of vitamin D. I trust his judgement 100%

Hope that helps give you confidence that what us being suggested seems to be the best way forwards.

Kev

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Posted 12 May 2017 at 14:25
Thanks for your reply Lynn, this makes things much clearer. No my OH is not on any trial. Treatment was always HT for 2 years, 6 doses of docetaxel chemo, 23 sessions of EBRT and then finishing with Brachytherapy. I hadn't realised quite how unusual this approach is until looking on the forum and talking to you. Thanks again x
Debbie xxx
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Posted 12 May 2017 at 14:26
Thanks for your reply Ian and the advice re radiotherapy. Much appreciated x
Debbie xxx
User
Posted 12 May 2017 at 14:27
Thanks for your reply Ian and the advice re radiotherapy. Much appreciated x
Debbie xxx
User
Posted 12 May 2017 at 14:29
Thanks for your reply Kev, really useful advice here. Much appreciated x
Debbie xxx
 
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