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Posted 01 Sep 2017 at 08:45
There will be some on this forum who will hate me after reading this post. Some who may applaud me and wish me well. I have always been brutally honest throughout my journey about my feelings and emotions and I do not intend stopping now so I make no apologies for the following unbelievable but true story of the past few months of my life. After all, the reality is that we all have issues of one kind or another to deal with. Mine are not exclusive but my story is.

Anyone who knows me on this forum will know that I have been a committed and very happily married husband and father - with the most loving, terrific, supportive wife. Well that was the public persona. Let me tell you a little story of hope for those who might think their life is over and that all is lost.

For about four years, since my post surgery PSA started rising again and my cancer became incurable, I kind of gave up on life inwardly. Outwardly, I was bold and brave Bazza, the "you're so strong Bazza." Inside, however, I was an emotional wreck. I'd put on over two stones, laid down all day doing nothing but eating. I'd given up on life and I also drank too much. More importantly, the cracks that were in my marriage pre 2010 when I had my surgery and subsequent treatment began to open up more and more over time and although we both denied it outwardly, we had, after 32 years, grown apart. Sex was dead. I put that down to my low self esteem, low libido and ADT. I didn't care. Nor, to my chagrin, did she.

In May this year after a year on Enzalutamide, my mind was fogged, my body tired and I was constantly bickering with the Mrs. I decided I needed some spiritual influence to try and turn my negative headspace around so I came off the tablets and went back on Prostap. I also began to investigate rural retreats where one could do Shamanic drumming, be with horses (equine therapy), talk into the night with like minded souls about the meaning of life over a roaring outside fire and live in a rural idyll. In short, just get my head in a more positive place.

Toss a single grain of sand into bucket full of the stuff and the chances of finding that one grain again are millions to one against. The randomness of that sentence will become clear as you read on.

March 1982

As a 19 year old boy working in a camping shop, life was taking me nowhere - or was it actually crafting my future? One cold day in March, a vision walked into the store looking for a Saturday job. She was beautiful beyond words and the second I saw her and she me, there was an almost spiritual connection. On her first day at work, I asked her out. She was just 15, still at school and not 16 until the July. I was smitten. For five months, we enjoyed the most hedonistic and wonderful journey of discovery together and spent every living moment of it with each other. As young as we were, we were both deeply in love and planned to live together when she left school.

However, fate took its toll and the pressure of her exams, her age and the fact that she'd just discovered that her mother had given her up as a baby to her grandparents and had spent her entire life believing they were her real parents took its toll and so we went our separate ways. The following year, I met my future wife, the person I am with today. We never saw each other again.

However, and despite the passage of time, I never forgot about this girl who had had such a profound effect on my life. I would drive past her her house for the next ten years remembering, wondering what might have been and what was happening in her life now. I eventually married and had two daughters. I later found out that she had also married much later at 29 and had had three daughters. And that was it, or so I thought.

Looking through Facebook for rural retreats, I couldn't find what I was looking for in the UK so I decided to look further afield in Spain and France. On one particular page, I saw a face vaguely familiar on the home page of a sanctuary for people who needed emotional help and when I read further, saw her unique surname. It was my first love. She ran the company! Completely unhappy in my marriage and slouched on the couch two stone overweight with a rising PSA, I made contact and confirmed it was actually her! She had had three daughters, all grown up, had divorced six years ago and now ran a retreat in the depths of southern France offering exactly what I was looking for!

Our first text exchanges were strangely familiar, not awkward as one might imagine after all these years. Within days, we were remembering the depth of love we shared and our regret that it was the right person at the wrong time. I told her my complete story about my cancer and thought that would be it. That she wouldn't be interested. Instead, she invited me to visit for a weekend to see if she could help ease my troubled mind offering those exact therapies and practices I had been seeking. Over a period of weeks, we were texting each other daily, hourly and then almost constantly. I found a new lease of life. I dramatically cut the huge portions I was eating, gave up alcohol, started exercising and shed the two stone of weight that had made me feel so down over the past few years. In short, I felt alive again. I wanted to impress this woman, not put her off!

Meanwhile, my marriage was going from bad to worse and the bickering had become constant rowing. Something had to change and I was the changemaker. Having been completely faithful to my wife for every day of our long and otherwise happy marriage, instead of doing the cowardly thing and going behind her back having an affair, I told her one evening about what had been going on and that I was going to France for a couple of days. Naturally, she was devastated when she found out who it was but there was also a steely rejection of me which again was natural, perhaps indicating that, for her, our time had come also.

I booked three flights. One two days after my arrival in France, another seven days later and, if things went really well, a third two weeks later. My wife told me that if I went, it would mean the end. I told her that I felt very bad about this but something much stronger than the weak glue holding our marriage together had taken hold and I just had to explore the possibility of what could have been. I didn't know how long I had left to live but if I did not go to France, I would forever regret it.

In July, I embarked on my flight looking leaner, slimmer and fitter than I had done for years. I felt extremely nervous like a schoolboy, like that 19 year old all those years ago. Exiting the arrivals hall, I was more excited than nervous although at first couldn't see her. She had grey hair now and I struggled to see her in the crowd, thinking I was looking for this huge mane of curly brunette hair. I had forgotten that a third of a century had elapsed. Then our eyes met and the look, that powerful connective look we shared as teenagers was there as two huge smiles lit up the hall. We ran towards each other and embraced, me dropping my case and we just held each other both in tears without a word being spoken for a good ten minutes.

Needless to say, I didn't take the first flight back, nor the second but stayed the full two weeks. In that time, all the things the medics had told me, the effects of the drugs, etc, became irrelevant. My libido was back with a bang (pardon the expression) and everything worked as it used to. Even the old stamina came back. After two weeks, I returned for my bloods. My PSA had fallen 50% and my T by 30%. My nurse explained that often endorphins can take over and assist one's ardour and if you are aroused enough and in a good place mentally. things can and often do happen.

Upon my return, my wife handed me the divorce papers I fully expected. It was a very sad ending to a once very happy and devoted but long dead relationship. I took full responsibility for my actions and I signed them then planned my next trip. Since then, myself and my new partner have lived with each other for a month and life is so good.

The deep bond of love we shared as youths has developed, as we now are in our middling years, to a relationship where I want her and her lifestyle permanently. So, in October, I move to France permanently to live with my childhood sweetheart. To say it is serendipitous would be an understatement. I rather liken it to the grain of sand analogy I made at the start of this post. Who would have ever imagined such a fortunate end to a life which, since 2010, has hardly been a bed of roses.

My most recent bloods showed a further fall in PSA and, ironically, also my Testosterone level, although when I am with my new partner, I have never been more sexually active. This all makes me wonder whether a man's loss of libido is equally shared in the mind as it is with the obvious effects of chemical treatment. For me, I feel 25 again. It may be a honeymoon period. It may wear off. What I do know is that life is random, unpredictable and if you'd told me a year ago that I would be living in France with a girl I loved so very much and thought I'd lost to the sands of time, I'd have said you were as mad as a box of frogs.

In the final analysis, and for those wondering about my wife whose devotion, support and care I could not have done without, I will always love her, protect her, have her back, ensure she is completely financially stable and we have divided our assets in such a way that she will not need to go through unnecessary court battles. Everything is amicable and as I write this post, she is in the kitchen making me a cup of tea. Its divorce about as amicable as it can get. I will love her forever. She is a beautiful woman inside and out but the simple truth is that our marriage began to die shortly before my diagnosis and I feel that she only stayed with because she was a deeply caring person. I will forever be grateful to her and hope that, the attractive woman she is, she will find new love. I am sure she will - and since this has all happened, I have seen a positive change in her, she is so much more positive about her future than she was with myself, a person who had given up on life. How unfortunate that it took something like this to be the harbinger of change,

The fact remains that I have metastatic cancer and one day, all the hope, the sex, the lifestyle and wonderful French wine will not stop its inexorable course. The simple truth though is that I am enjoying my last years and will now die much happier and on my terms. I'm not sure if there is anything after this existence so would have always regretted not doing this on my deathbed.

In 1982, I watched that beautiful young girl's face as she walked into the distance and out of my life presumably forever. However, serendipity called in the depths of my despair and hers will now be the last face I see for the final time. At the moment, it is so good to be alive, good to be so loved in every way and despite my condition, I feel like a 19 year old all over again!

Edited by member 04 Sep 2017 at 04:53  | Reason: Not specified

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Posted 01 Sep 2017 at 16:55

Let he without sin cast the first stone.

User
Posted 01 Sep 2017 at 18:21

How lovelly , I too met up with my first love (Gary) after many years of a disastrous first marriage ,we have been back together for over 20 years marrying 8 years ago in vegas !
Whatever life has in store we will face it together with
As my son says our disfunctional family !!
All the very best
Debby

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Posted 02 Sep 2017 at 09:19

I originally met my wife in 1969, we went our separate ways each having marriages that didn't work out but met up again in 1989. We will be married for 25 years this December. It was the relationship that should have been, but without our previous relationships we wouldn't have had the beautiful daughters we both have. Regrets, yes we have some, my wife now has to use a wheelchair to go out, we missed lots of years together when she was walking but we move on. As I write this we're on holiday in Lake Garda so we try not to let our situation restrict us too much. We do have our ups and downs but we share a deep love for each other.

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Posted 02 Sep 2017 at 11:53

Hi Barry

I to could write such a similar story, if I was such an eloquent writer as you. I was given a second chance at life when I met my second wife 7 years ago. Fortunately I didn't have to leave my wife, she died 7 years ago. However things were not so hunky dory between us before she died, but I won't go down that road. But I can say that the past 7 years have been the happiest in my life. My first wife could never accept the fact I had cancer, whereas my present wife knew my condition from day one. We have a fantastic life together and everything is done as one, you could say that we are joined at the hip. I only hope we have many more years together, but being T3b I know the out come, I'm pretty lucky to have got this far, as it's now over 11 years since my RP.

Enjoy your new life in France, if I didn't live in Italy, France would be my second choice. However I still prefer Italian wine to French.

I wish you well.

Stu

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Posted 02 Sep 2017 at 12:56
Barry

What an honest account. Life throws things at us all and, as individuals, we all make choices. I wish you well with your choices and hope that you, your partner and your (ex)-wife can all lead happy and fulfilling lives.

Ulsterman

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Posted 02 Sep 2017 at 19:53

You haven't failed and you haven't lost everything if this doesn't work out - you may have just given your wife a gift. You know what Topgun would have said - "life is for living" and since your life is going to be rather shorter than you might have hoped, there is little point spending that life feeling devoid of any joy.

I am reminded of a member here some years ago (you may also remember her?) who was in a very unhappy marriage and had all but separated when her OH was diagnosed with advanced PCa. She stayed with him and cared for him, coped with his depression and basically put her life on hold. All of which is normal when you love someone, and commendable if you care for someone but in her case became a living hell. It is sad that your happy marriage became something different but you say yourself that she is lighter since the decision was made so perhaps she is worn out with the trauma of the last few years, as you have also been. I am also reminded of a member who cared for and supported her ex-husband as his disease progressed because, released from the obligation, she found that shared history and love and care was enough to want to be there for him and their family.

How have the kids taken it though?

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 22 Sep 2017 at 23:27

Eugh - a kissing photo! Who took the Bazza we all knew and left this imposter in his place????

Not sure about the availability of Alprostadil (Vitaros) etc in France but you can buy it without a prescription from places like this http://www.medical-specialists.co.uk/vitaros.php Muse is also worth trying.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 01 Sep 2017 at 15:11

Hello Barry.
I have read your post with sadness, happiness and joy.

One can never know what goes on behind another's curtains and I suppose for many of us we assume that a couple struggling through PC together will help and support each other to the bitter end so it's very sad to find out that our idealistic view is a little tainted. We want for others what we ourselves have.

The fact that your marriage was slightly on the wonk before PC must have meant that all was not well. Whether that could have been put right without the PC getting in the way is anyone's guess, but I suspect not.

The fact that you have managed an entirely amicable split of yourselves and property sounds like it was a decision that sadly suits you both. To have remained together just because there was a terminal end in plain site at some stage would have been a kindness, but perhaps a misplaced kindness since you were bickering and both unhappy.

I do believe in the sanctity of marriage, perhaps because I have been lucky in mine, but I also know from my sisters' unhappy marriages that staying together just for the sake of it means no life for either party.

I am happy for you that you have found and re-kindled your love. I hope that the future works out for all of you.

I admire your wife tremendously for her attitude and for letting you go. So often an embittered ex can spoil the future for herself and for the other person, but she is releasing you to enjoy your remaining time with your first love and that is both generous and loving of her.
You obviously meant a lot to each other in the early days because you still care about each other and you still want to protect her. Good for you.

Enjoy your twilight years in France. Enjoy your wine and your new lease of life.

Life is considered short in any case but for some it's even shorter so make the most of it.

As for hating you? I certainly don't. I can't even say I disapprove despite believing that (my) marriage is for life

What you do in yours is surely your own business, even if you have shared it with us. I hope enough folk on here will say good luck to balance those who will possibly say you are out of order. Who's to say any of us is wrong in the decision we make regarding how we live our own lives.

Good luck and I hope the French sunshine continues to beam down on you, your soon to be ex and your new (old) love


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User
Posted 01 Sep 2017 at 16:55

Let he without sin cast the first stone.

User
Posted 01 Sep 2017 at 18:21

How lovelly , I too met up with my first love (Gary) after many years of a disastrous first marriage ,we have been back together for over 20 years marrying 8 years ago in vegas !
Whatever life has in store we will face it together with
As my son says our disfunctional family !!
All the very best
Debby

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Posted 02 Sep 2017 at 09:19

I originally met my wife in 1969, we went our separate ways each having marriages that didn't work out but met up again in 1989. We will be married for 25 years this December. It was the relationship that should have been, but without our previous relationships we wouldn't have had the beautiful daughters we both have. Regrets, yes we have some, my wife now has to use a wheelchair to go out, we missed lots of years together when she was walking but we move on. As I write this we're on holiday in Lake Garda so we try not to let our situation restrict us too much. We do have our ups and downs but we share a deep love for each other.

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Posted 02 Sep 2017 at 11:53

Hi Barry

I to could write such a similar story, if I was such an eloquent writer as you. I was given a second chance at life when I met my second wife 7 years ago. Fortunately I didn't have to leave my wife, she died 7 years ago. However things were not so hunky dory between us before she died, but I won't go down that road. But I can say that the past 7 years have been the happiest in my life. My first wife could never accept the fact I had cancer, whereas my present wife knew my condition from day one. We have a fantastic life together and everything is done as one, you could say that we are joined at the hip. I only hope we have many more years together, but being T3b I know the out come, I'm pretty lucky to have got this far, as it's now over 11 years since my RP.

Enjoy your new life in France, if I didn't live in Italy, France would be my second choice. However I still prefer Italian wine to French.

I wish you well.

Stu

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Posted 02 Sep 2017 at 12:56
Barry

What an honest account. Life throws things at us all and, as individuals, we all make choices. I wish you well with your choices and hope that you, your partner and your (ex)-wife can all lead happy and fulfilling lives.

Ulsterman

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Posted 02 Sep 2017 at 17:27

So you lied to us - you said you were going to France to bang some drums but you knew you were hoping to bang rather more than that!

Seriously, you could object to anyone saying you are a lucky man - there was nothing lucky about getting cancer at such a young age or in it turning out to be a particularly determined variety. But you are very, very lucky man to have had 3 wonderful women in your life ... your wife who has been loyal and strong and kind, your new / old love of your life and me. As long as you are kind, courteous, respectful what is there to apologise for?

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 02 Sep 2017 at 18:01
I've tried to be kind Lyn but this hasn't been easy. I've tried to be respectful but honestly have failed often despite my best efforts. I'm screwed up. If this doesn't work and it may not, I've lost everything and if that happens, I will take my own life. F**k the cancer xxxxxxxx

Thank you for your personal unstinting support over the years. If I ever get to meet you I will hug you just for that

Baz

Edited by member 02 Sep 2017 at 18:15  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 02 Sep 2017 at 19:53

You haven't failed and you haven't lost everything if this doesn't work out - you may have just given your wife a gift. You know what Topgun would have said - "life is for living" and since your life is going to be rather shorter than you might have hoped, there is little point spending that life feeling devoid of any joy.

I am reminded of a member here some years ago (you may also remember her?) who was in a very unhappy marriage and had all but separated when her OH was diagnosed with advanced PCa. She stayed with him and cared for him, coped with his depression and basically put her life on hold. All of which is normal when you love someone, and commendable if you care for someone but in her case became a living hell. It is sad that your happy marriage became something different but you say yourself that she is lighter since the decision was made so perhaps she is worn out with the trauma of the last few years, as you have also been. I am also reminded of a member who cared for and supported her ex-husband as his disease progressed because, released from the obligation, she found that shared history and love and care was enough to want to be there for him and their family.

How have the kids taken it though?

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 02 Sep 2017 at 20:12

Anyway, as I just said to John, you have been promising to hug me for years but you never deliver. Pretty standard for HT I guess?

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 02 Sep 2017 at 21:19

bazza,

I would just like to take the opportunity of wishing you and your new(old) partner great happiness in your remaining years and hope your ex also enjoys happy days too. What works for some couples for always will only work for a time for others, when a point may be reached when the relationship is best ended, at least in it's present form. What makes a relationsip continue to work or not is so individual and personal that it is impossible to define, or others pontificate on, so nobody should criticize your action.

Good that you have made amicable arrangement with your ex.

Edited by member 02 Sep 2017 at 21:23  | Reason: Not specified

Barry
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Posted 02 Sep 2017 at 21:46
What a beautiful, bittersweet story. This gave me goose bumps. I wish you and your new love many happy healthy years together. I wish your old love true happiness too.

Bee x

User
Posted 03 Sep 2017 at 17:22

I wish you and your partner in France all the best. I also wish happiness for your wife. This disease is awful and it makes us want to live life to the full while we still have it. The stresses and strains of dealing with diagnosis, treatment, prognosis and progression all take their toll. Your story is very honest and none of us have the right to judge you or anyone else. Best wishes, Ian.

Ido4

User
Posted 03 Sep 2017 at 19:46

Thank you for sharing. Sad in a way, but really uplifting at the same time.

Also hugely informative re the libido etc.

Wishing you and all yours the very best.

Regards

Clare

User
Posted 03 Sep 2017 at 23:31
Oh Wow Baz this is a revelation it's firstly a shocck on reading it and I have to confess to reading it about 27 times it's all a bit Mills and Boon .

All of life is a journey and sometimes we come to a fork in the road with our partnerships and the right thing to do is to go our separate paths for whatever reason .

Our lives and choices are no one elsles judgements , have to agree with Co let he who is without sin cast the first stone .

BFN

Julie X

NEVER LAUGH AT A LIVE DRAGON
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Posted 22 Sep 2017 at 17:12
Just a brief update.

I have been almost permanently living in France since my last post. On 30th Sept, I return back to the UK to supervise the removal of my possessions and have my injection then move permanently on 7th Oct.

For those men fearful of total ED who have had bi-lateral nerve sparing like myself, Viagra seems to be working hit and miss with a rubber ring (mostly hit fortunately) but I am keen to try one of the rub/spray on medications like Aprostadil. Does anyone know anything about these or new ED treatments coming on stream soon.

Will update further when I've moved into the Aveyron lock, stock and barrel.

Bazza

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Posted 22 Sep 2017 at 23:27

Eugh - a kissing photo! Who took the Bazza we all knew and left this imposter in his place????

Not sure about the availability of Alprostadil (Vitaros) etc in France but you can buy it without a prescription from places like this http://www.medical-specialists.co.uk/vitaros.php Muse is also worth trying.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 23 Sep 2017 at 08:21
Bazza

I have used alprostadil in the muse form where you insert the applicator about 40 mm down the eye of the penis then press a button to release the dose. Like your experience with Viagra, very hit and miss. There are so many variables, it is just a matter of finding what works well for you. Being in the right frame of mind, additional stimulation, possibly the temperature of the muse how old it is and of course the right dose. Taking time for the muse to work is another consideration, we found I had a bitter swelling if we waited a few more minutes. We have achieved full tumecence but of course still no standing to attention. The penis can ache a bit until it wears off but running it under a cold shower helps.

I never fancied the idea of sticking a needle in my penis, but invicorp sounds more effective and reliable.

Enjoy your new found love life.

Thanks Chris

Edited by member 23 Sep 2017 at 08:23  | Reason: Not specified

 
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