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Prostate treatment options

User
Posted 04 Dec 2016 at 02:07

Bul
Consultants can tell you what the success rates of treatments are taken over a large number of cases as well as percentages of men who have various side effects, although you can research this yourself. I am not surprised that you have been unable to obtain an answer for your specific situation as this can't be predicted with great accuracy for an individual patient in advance. For example, it very rarely happens that a man undergoing a prostatectomy will become permanently incontinent following surgery but we had a member so affected on this forum awhile ago and his surgeon was reputed to be one of the leading handful of surgeons in the UK. It may be the surgeon made a mistake or the cancer was more extensive than thought before he was opened up or for some other reason. Thankfully, most men become continent sooner or later after the op.

Just another consideration for you, Cyberknife radiation which you are considering is relatively new, so no long term statistics to compare it with EBRT or brachytherapy come to that, so more unknown possibilities.

You will have to reconcile yourself to the thought that you will not know in advance of treatment how it will affect you afterwards.

Barry
User
Posted 04 Dec 2016 at 21:17
Can one use SpaceOAR for all types of radiation including CyberKnife?

Has anybody used it and can comment on it?

Is it worth insisting that it is used if you go the radiation way to minimize the risk of secondary radiation side effects?

User
Posted 04 Dec 2016 at 23:20

Never heard of anyone on this forum having it and it seems to me that you are googling so widely that you may be in danger of picking up and being impressed by wizards and magic potions. Most people's bowels are fine after RT. Talk to your specialists rather than Dr Google perhaps?

http://community.prostatecanceruk.org/posts/t11205-Gel-and-balloon#post137740

Edited by member 04 Dec 2016 at 23:36  | Reason: Not specified

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 05 Dec 2016 at 12:42
Back in the U.K. now

Have meetings with my urologist and oncologist ( radiation) this week- different days

Will probably also see the surgeon another day

Summarising questions to ask as I meet them- have much better picture now than when I started

Have gathered quiet a bit from this forum

Thanks

User
Posted 08 Dec 2016 at 08:37
Have the option of getting treatment in the U.K. or the U.S.A.

Does the location make a difference?

Are more cases treated in the U.S.A and do you have more treatment options ?

General feeling is that the equipment might be the same and the experience of the physician / hospital staff is what matters

User
Posted 08 Dec 2016 at 11:31

As in the the UK some surgeons will be more highly regarded than others. Just because there are more men affected in total in the USA does not make surgeons more experienced, only that there will be more surgeons in the USA. The experience is limited to how many men a surgeon is able to operate on in a day which is likely to be two in either country. The techniques would be basically the same, although fewer hospitals have robotic surgery in the UK.

As far as radiation goes, there would be more choice in the USA because they additionally treat with Proton Beam for those that are suitable. Theoretically, Proton treatment should be superior to Photon because the energy is mainly released on the tumour and a much lower amount on it's way to and after the target as with Photon RT,(the so called Bragg Peak), so less collateral damage and the tumour is hit harder. This has proved to be very much the case with head tumours and indeed people are sometimes sent from the UK to the USA for this reason, the USA having the most Proton Beam facilities and the longest experience of this type of treatment. There are many patients and doctors in the USA who advocate this treatment for PCa also but there is a surprising lack of comparative data between this and other forms of RT. The advantage of using Proton beam to treat PCa over other forms of RT is less well defined. I did consider this back in 2008 when I was looking into other treatments but ruled it out on the grounds of cost, about three months overall in the States and check ups over there. I believe the number of fractions has now been reduced, so this would have an effect on time and cost.

The other forms of Photon RT available in the States are also available in the UK but not necessarily all at any one hospital.

Edited by member 08 Dec 2016 at 11:45  | Reason: Not specified

Barry
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Posted 08 Dec 2016 at 11:42

I would want to know, if the treatment is done in the USA will you still be able to access free ED / incontinence services from your local NHS if needed? In some CCG areas, if you didn't have the treatment on the NHS then you cannot get a referral for NHS aftercare.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 08 Dec 2016 at 11:58

Lyn is right about this and it is certainly an aspect that should be established in advance. I was fortunate in that having decided to have my RT within a study in Germany, with EBRT supplemented by Carbon ions (which have an even higher RBE than Protons), the Royal Marsden agreed to monitor me and in due course referred me to UCLH for further treatment. So in my case I was able to get back into the NHS system and just as well!

Barry
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Posted 08 Dec 2016 at 12:59
Would be using private insurance that covers follow up treatment. Will find out from them if it covers having treatment in one location and follow up in another location.

On another note I do not think Proton therapy is popular in the U.K as in the U.S.

User
Posted 08 Dec 2016 at 15:54

The point is that there is no private equivalent to your NHS ED nurse / andrology clinic which means you would be dependent on either your private urologist or the relevant private hospital to be knowledgeable and up to date with current research etc and to write all prescriptions for pumps, pads, caverject (if needed) as the GP is unlikely to prescribe on a private consultant's say-so when it is going to come out of the GP's budget.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 08 Dec 2016 at 16:55

Proton therapy is not so popular in the UK because apart from the low powered unit at Clatterbridge, which only has sufficient oomph to treat eyes, there are to the best of my knowledge no Proton Beam facilities in the UK as yet, although there is one planned for UCLH in London and another at theThe Christie in Manchester. These have been subject to delay, largely due to Government policy and it is unlikely when completed that these will treat for Prostate cancer when there are other cancers that can be better treated as a priority. You may recall the case of Ashya King who had Proton Beam treatment in Prague. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-32013634
So if patients or their insurers are prepared to pay, the centre in Prague or Germany amongst others in Europe are alternatives to going to the USA.

The most import factor determining how successful a treatment will be, (accepting that it will be competently administered), is the type of PCa a patient has and how extensive it is. Of course the skill of a surgeon or radiologist and how advanced the equipment is is important and patients may be more suitable for one or more forms of treatment.

Barry
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Posted 09 Dec 2016 at 16:38
Just had a discussion with an oncologist -radiologist - today

For my case she does not encourage Proton beam radiation -still trial and experimental

Brachytherapy -botherline- be ready for some immediate side effects

CyberKnife - first choice -tested and proven -will use SpaceOAR to minimize radiation to other organs-urine flow result excellent-will use bicalutamide to lower PSA for first three months -use markers-do MRI& CT scan and then 5days radiation. Side effects will be minimized e.g urinary urgency . Rectal and urinary side effects minimized.

She is confident if I want to go the radiation way this is the way to go.

Laser ablation - can be use as a salvage option if there are issues with radiation

Said no matter the treatment I choose -even surgery -ED will be worse

User
Posted 09 Dec 2016 at 19:06

That's good news - did she say whether they could give you tablets or perhaps a bit of radiotherapy to the breast buds before the bicalutimide starts, to reduce the risk & pain of breasts?

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 09 Dec 2016 at 20:26

Always good to get an opinion on what treatment is considered best suited to you as an individual, as a standard approach may not be best for all patients. Also, regardless of how it all pans out, you can know you got advice from consultants familiar with your case and considered this as part of your decision, so in a sense some satisfaction in knowing you did all you could to get a good result in a situation where there are no certainties.

Barry
User
Posted 09 Dec 2016 at 22:50
LynEyre

She actually addressed the bicalutimide effect on the breast - she said it can start having effect on the breast if taken for some time but 3 months should be fine

User
Posted 09 Dec 2016 at 23:18

For John the pain started almost immediately and the moobs were obvious by 3 months. Unfortunately it is often a permanent side effect and it has taken him almost 5 years to get rid of them.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 19 Jan 2017 at 00:09
Decided to go with CyberKife treatment after visiting U.K. And U.S. Hospitals/ consultants.

Started Bicalutamide (150mg/day) on 25th December , 2016.

Will take it for 3months then the treatment.

So far no noticeable side effect on the Bicalutamide - almost one month.

Hoping the CyberKnife treatment too goes with minimal side effect.

Will use fiducial markers, Gel., for the treatment.

Will keep you updated !

User
Posted 26 Feb 2017 at 10:58
Two months now on Bicalutamide ( 150mg)- one month to go before treatment with markers / gel and CyberKnife radiation.

Noticed mild tiredness. Breast tenderness / enlargement also very mild. No other noticeable side effect .

Discussed this last week at visit to doctor - no need for extra medication since it is very mild and not bothering me.

Expecting advice / information from dietician team and physiotherapist to help with treatment.

PSA 5.9 two months ago now 3.45 last week.

User
Posted 28 Feb 2017 at 00:30

Good drop on the PSA front, interesting that you are to see a physio ... did they say why?

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 26 Mar 2017 at 16:10
Three months now on Bicalutamide ( 150mg). To stop after CyberKnife treatment.

Placement of fiducial markers / spacer OAR this coming Monday and CyberKnife radiation about 1/2 weeks after.

tiredness, Breast tenderness / enlargement mild. No other noticeable side effect.

PSA 5.9 three months ago ,3.45 a month ago now 3.06.

Postrate volume - 53 ml after biopsy last November now 30 ml this week.

 
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