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Posted 02 Dec 2016 at 13:40
Hi, anyone used the various electronic devices for exercising the PF?......wondering if they are effective and a quicker more rapid route to getting dry?....

Cheers, Paul....

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Posted 02 Dec 2016 at 19:51

Hi Paul, you would need to get advice from your nurse specialist or surgeon - you don't really want to be messing about with pulses and vibrations if that might delay the recovery of your nerve bundles.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 08 Dec 2016 at 12:09

Hi Paul,

Some interesting stuff here...

https://youtu.be/MG7XF7Mu72Q - This guy suffered with prostate cancer and got some great results with the Innovotherapy.

https://www.restorethefloor.com/our-blog/november16/innovo-versus-invasive-probes 

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Posted 09 Dec 2016 at 15:58
Hi Paul, Pelvic floor electrotherapy, specifically externally applied neuro-muscular electrotherapy such as innovo can work well in approx. 7/10 patients post prostate surgery based on empirically reported trial cases in the UK. It shouldn't be started within 3 months of your surgery to allow time for local nerves and muscles to heal properly, and you should ideally wait until your PSA tests are coming in as zero. If natural pelvic floor training is working but progressing slowly, inotherwords - there has been a trend for improvement but you've hit a brick wall - , external NMES helps you to build up pelvic floor strength and stamina faster, as it allows you to contract all of your pelvic floor muscles more aggressively than you can induce yourself with a very regimented protocol. It typically require 5 x 30 min sessions per week and takes 3-6 months to achieve definitive results. It may not work if the level of structural local damage post surgery is too severe to permit a functional recovery for PFT - and it shouldn't be used if you have a metal hip or pacemaker. Its a relative new treatment modality, but definitely one to watch in future years with real potential
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Posted 09 Dec 2016 at 19:10

Darren, apart from having a grandad who had PCa, what qualifications do you have to give this advice? You should know that there is no such thing as a PSA of zero!

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 10 Dec 2016 at 10:07

From personal experience with a Neurotrac Pelvitone, does it help with PFEs? Yes, but the effectiveness depends on the electrode type and voltage being used. As noted above, physiotherapists are reluctant to recommend the use of such a device unless there is a minimal risk of cancer recurrence, i.e. as far as can be assessed, effectively zero.

Do PFEs help with regaining continence, whether or not electrically stimulated? Again from personal experience, if they are going to help, they will, if they are not going to help, they won't. Pelvic floor strength is only one factor governing the recovery of continence.

Tony

TURP then LRP in 2009/2010. Lots of leakage but PSA < 0.1 AMS-800 Artificial Sphincter activated 2015.

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Posted 16 Dec 2016 at 13:55
Thanks to all for the responses...I think that I will stick with the exercises certainly for the foreseeable future....I am seeing some inprovement even at this very early stage of just over 3 weeks since having the catheter removed.....Paul...
 
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