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Leo Robot spares some nerves

User
Posted 19 Nov 2021 at 23:14

It seems that normal practice is to reveal future appointments at the first RT session.

After making further enquiries I have now received a copy of my forthcoming 4 week timetable via email. I'm still not entirely sure which parts of my anatomy "the plan" will be targeting. Prostate bed, lymph nodes and where my missing lymph nodes used to be seem to be on the list.

However thus far there has been no mention of the mysterious "nonspecific uptake in the left pelvic sidewall" spotted by my most recent PSMA scan.

Jim


 

Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one - Albert Einstein
User
Posted 20 Nov 2021 at 07:35
They call it informed consent for a reason, make sure they inform you before you consent to it!!

Seriously, you have reasonable questions that need an answer..
User
Posted 20 Nov 2021 at 09:52

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member


It seems that normal practice is to reveal future appointments at the first RT session.



Yes, they gave me a list of appointments for the first week. At the first RT session the bloke at the desk said forget that list and then asked me if I prefer mornings or afternoons and drew up another list for that week. Each day they added the appointment for the same day the next week. They were fairly good at keeping to their times. I guess they have to try and keep the machines in use all the time, and as patients die, or new ones arrive the capacity changes at short notice.

Dave

User
Posted 20 Nov 2021 at 12:10

Thanks Jonathan,

Your comment has finally decided me to call Treliske on Monday morning to inform them that they suddenly have some spare slots on the calendar of one of their TrueBeams. 

Thankfully not for the first of Dave's suggested reasons!

Jim


P.S. Or perhaps the LINACs work weekends? I was told my body would need regular 2 day respites to recover before the next batch of 5 doses.


 

Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one - Albert Einstein
User
Posted 20 Nov 2021 at 13:55
You are cancelling?
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard
User
Posted 20 Nov 2021 at 16:44


Effectively I suspect. Just in case somebody was working there this morning I sent an email to the address I received my SRT timetable from, referencing this thread. Plus:


"After giving the matter much thought I'd like to give the RCHT as much notice as possible that I won't be attending my revised first SRT appointment on Wednesday.


Certainly not without a frank discussion with Dr. B of the sort I had face to face with Dr. A many moons ago."

Jim

Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one - Albert Einstein
User
Posted 22 Nov 2021 at 19:49

I also called the Treliske oncology radiographers first thing this morning.

I now have an appointment for a face to face meeting with Dr. B in Truro, first thing on Thursday morning.

Jim


 

Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one - Albert Einstein
User
Posted 22 Nov 2021 at 19:55
Sounds like a result....
User
Posted 23 Nov 2021 at 12:43

A result certainly! However it currently seems as though I'm unlikely to receive answers to my written questions before first thing on Thursday morning:


In advance of my meeting with Dr. B I would be most grateful if somebody could answer the question that I put to JD quite some time ago. "Can you direct me to any recent research papers and/or trial results addressing the pros and cons of HT and/or SRT for somebody in my peculiar position?"


PSA >130 pre op but <0.03 post op. PSA currently 0.35 but nothing "significant" visible on a recent PSMA scan.


I also have a supplementary question. Why was the repeat PSMA scan suggested by Dr. C on May 23rd 2021 and subsequently ordered by Dr. A cancelled when I referred the matter back to the oncology department?



Jim


 

Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one - Albert Einstein
User
Posted 23 Nov 2021 at 13:20
An interesting research price that discusses SRT timing and risks is here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6935690/
User
Posted 23 Nov 2021 at 13:36

Thanks again Jonathan:

The development of advanced imaging techniques such Ga-PSMA positron emission tomography/computed tomography, which are capable of localizing the recurrent lesion when prostate-specific antigen ≤ 0.5 ng/mL, has forced clinicians to reconsider whether patients should undergo radiotherapy without locate first the recurrence.


Slightly Spanish English, but I at least take the point.


Jim


 

Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one - Albert Einstein
User
Posted 25 Nov 2021 at 14:37

The Gods move in mysterious ways. I'm back from Truro having had a long conversation with Dr. B. Amongst other things I've discovered that Dr. B has a very nice "bedside manner", much like Dr. A.

A more detailed report from me later, when (if?) I have a spare few minutes. Unexpected political developments earlier this week mean that I've moved from being semi-retired to working double time. Hence undergoing any sort of HT or SRT just at the moment would be most inconvenient work wise.

The current plan is therefore to have a video consultation with Dr. B after my next 3 monthly PSA test, which will be in the New Year.

Jim


 


 

Edited by member 25 Nov 2021 at 14:42  | Reason: Not specified

Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one - Albert Einstein
User
Posted 26 Nov 2021 at 22:13

I don't know how the confusion arose. Perhaps my prior discussions with Dr. A never made it into the notes?

She told me that once my PSA reading rose to 0.2 serious thought should be given to what action to take next given my preference not to "throw everything at the cancer". If and when it rose to 0.3, without any evidence of spread elsewhere, that action should be SRT to the prostate bed. For a long time I assumed that's what my "plan" must consist of even when informed to the contrary by others apart from my new consultant. I was sadly mistaken! However Dr. B agrees that is an entirely reasonable plan in all the circumstances.

Hopefully we're all now on the same page in this regard. With the possible exception of the mysterious "tiny focus of moderate uptake in the left pelvic side that does not readily correlate to any anatomical structure" on my most recent scan.

According to Dr. B if I wanted to avoid any short to medium term side effects one option would be not doing anything at all until my PSA reached  10-15. Starting (possibly intermittent) hormone therapy at that juncture would give me a life expectancy of 13 years "on average, but with a wide range".

I think I'll stick with Plan A, for the moment at least!

Jim


 

Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one - Albert Einstein
User
Posted 27 Nov 2021 at 07:13
So now you are 0.35 you are having SRT?? And including the dodgy bit??
User
Posted 27 Nov 2021 at 15:37
Some more research that shows real benefit to treating dodgy bits!
https://www.practiceupdate.com/C/126908/56?elsca1=emc_enews_topic-alert
User
Posted 29 Nov 2021 at 01:39

Thanks again Jonathan,

Apparently the "dodgy bit" in my left pelvic sidewall would have been treated as a matter of course had I stuck with the "gold standard" of irradiating the majority of my pelvic region, even though it doesn't appear to be associated with a lymph node for example.

If and how it might be treated in conjunction with my prostate bed remains to be discussed in detail. Perhaps the additional scan booked by Dr. A might help, if I can get it reinstated? It might even find something that does correlate with a known part of my anatomy?!

FYI Dr. B directed my attention towards the SPPORT trial:

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00567580

Jim


 

Edited by member 29 Nov 2021 at 13:47  | Reason: Not specified

Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one - Albert Einstein
User
Posted 20 Feb 2022 at 07:59

I'm currently in the midst of what is predicted to be a multi-day post Storm Eunice power cut.

Which indirectly reminded me to post my latest progress report. My online video call with my new consultant turned out to be with the oncology nurse instead. It was nice to see her face for the first time!

My PSA is down to 0.21, so back to watching and waiting for another 3 months.

Jim


 

Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one - Albert Einstein
User
Posted 20 Feb 2022 at 09:37
So no SRT yet? Is that your choice or the docs recommendation?
User
Posted 24 Feb 2022 at 00:42

1) No SRT as yet.

2) A bit of both I suppose. At our face to face meeting I pointed out to my new(ish) consultant that I was not of a mind to simply "throw everything at it".

That being the case, and with a significant PSA reduction, the most recent clinical decision seems self evident?

Jim


 

Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one - Albert Einstein
User
Posted 23 Apr 2022 at 12:29

My latest PSA test came in at 0.35 ug/L, equal to last October's peak.

My oncology nurse called to say that the plan remains to continue testing every three months. If there's two consecutive increases another scan will be the order of the day.

Jim


 

Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one - Albert Einstein
 
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