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Posted 10 Sep 2018 at 14:53

Well done Eddy. I’m at the same level at the 3 month mark. You should switch to Tena 1’s they are the same size but are more than adequate for the issues you describe. I thought I could jump to Tena shields but they are just small and dont give the coverage needed. The Tena 1s are a great improvement over the 2‘s


Fresh

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Base jumping without a parachute should be frowned at, never criticised. Fresh

User
Posted 10 Sep 2018 at 15:11
Hi Fresh thanks for the advice just have a few packets of size 2 to use up then I will try them.
User
Posted 11 Sep 2018 at 16:06

All pretty positive there Eddy.


My Da Vinci op was in early June. I still have incontinence issues but there has been a significant improvement in the last couple of weeks, I probably have a pelvic floor like a steel hawser, One pad a day and the amount of leakage is entirely dependant on how active I am so mainly stress incontinence.


In general terms I feel 100%, fit and healthy.


As far as sexual ability, I have no ability to raise an erection. I have seen my own doc and been prescribed 5mg Cialis daily but my 'appointment in three or four weeks at an Erectile Disfunction Clinic' has morphed into an appointment at the local hospital Urology Department in mid October. I can orgasm, not easily, but when it arrives it does blow my socks off, more intense than ever before. Yay! :-)  Between us we have worked out a way to enjoy good sex which has been helpful on many levels.  It seems that regaining an erection isn't easy for anyone and it will be a slow process but I don't give up on the idea yet.


If it means that I have seen the back of cancer I'm very happy with how things are.  


I hope that its working for you too.


regards


 


stu k

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Posted 11 Sep 2018 at 16:44

Hi Stukno


sounds like your doing well my op was 14th June and my incontinence all of a sudden improved dramatically about the 9 weeks mark I am coming up to 12 weeks since my op and I am pretty dry most of the time, like you I leak a little when I am under pressure but generally I have good control. keep the pelvic floor exercises up I do think they help and also try to let your bladder fill up as much as possible I was told at the incontinence clinic this helps the bladder get back to normal. I am also living in hope that my sex life gets back to normal but as you say having the cancer removed is the main object.


You sound a pretty positive person I certainly think it helps your recovery if you have a good outlook on life and not to let it get you down.


Cheers Stukno.


 

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Posted 16 Oct 2018 at 06:52
It has been four months since my operation, I still need a small pad (I have moved onto tena 1 shields) for the incontinence for the odd dribble but all in all not to bad. My sex life is still a thing of the past I can get a semi erection but it takes a lot of effort, I find it very frustrating that the automatic function of getting aroused just does not work at all, I am told its early days but when I read up on it,the outcome is not very promising. I would be very interested to know how many of us actually return to a normal sex life. I have my next PSA test in November and even though my first results were excellent you start to get a bit nervous when the time comes around again.


User
Posted 16 Oct 2018 at 10:29
According to QOL data about 90% of men that had full nerve sparing can get an erection 12 months post op, either on their own or using tablets, injections, pellets or a vacuum pump. The QOL questionnaire does not ask whether the erection is sufficient for penetrative sex.

General advice is that natural erections should return within 2 years otherwise it won’t happen at all. Not strictly true as in our house it was 3 years post-op but John does have natural erectile function now. Much depends on keeping the penis healthy in the meantime - are you using a pump regularly (daily) to prevent atrophy?
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard
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Posted 16 Oct 2018 at 11:09
Click my picture and read my profile re sex life. Also look at the ‘erecting the erection’ thread which is good. Lyns advice is spot on. Very early days for you and keep it healthy each day using a pump. Find the time as it will pay off later. Guide your own recovery. Badger your hospital for ED clinic or your GP for meds. Try everything— pellets , tablets , creams , injections etc. I had partial nerve spare and realistically it took me 2 yrs to get spontaneous rigid natural erections again using daily Cialis. And I truly believe there are improvements monthly still , now 3 1/2 yrs post op. Don’t give up ok
User
Posted 16 Oct 2018 at 20:06

Hi Eddy,


I had my op at a similar time. As you suggested I too found a sudden improvement in incontinence and now, 5 months on apart from stress incontinence when doing heavy lifting, I'm pretty much over all of that.


On the ED front, a different story, I've only just in the last week (12/10) got into the local hospital Urology dept (in my post code I cannot be referred to the specialist clinic)  I wasn't very impressed. They have prescribed capsules and made an appointment in November to be 'trained' for a pump. It was all a bit dismissive though.  Soon after the op - having absorbed the info on here and having been told that I wouldn't get an ED appointment until mid October, I went to my GP and requested daily 5mg Cialis which he prescribed no problem.


On Monday 15/10 I saw the surgeon and too the opportunity to discuss ED. He reckoned that the capsules would do no good at all and injections were the best bet.


I have therefore decided to pay for an appointment at the specialist clinic in the hope of getting the best advice - and then twist the arm of the NHS when I go back there to get what I want.


Without going into too much gory detail, I find that I can orgasm really strongly but its difficult to get there when there's not much to work with. Even a partial erection would be a help.


I also got the news that my PSA levels, which were at 0.1 at 6 weeks post op were now 0.2 and therefore some further treatment radiotherapy will be needed - which is a bit of a bugaa…. but there it is. There should be a thread started by me asking for advice on what to expect in this situation.


In all other respects, I feel good, I just hope that the radiotherapy / whatever does change that.


regards


stu k

User
Posted 16 Oct 2018 at 20:46
Hi Stu
sorry to here your PSA levels have move a bit and you need further treatment, as you say a bit of a bugga but hopefully the radiotherapy will finish it off for good. As for the ED clinic do you have to go back to your GP to get a appointment there or speak to the urology dept at my next visit in November, they did mention a pump to me on my last visit but gave no indication how i get one i just presumed they would sought it all out for me, but reading your thread it seems that is not the case.


best of luck with your further treatment.


regards

Eddy
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Posted 30 Oct 2018 at 13:37

Over the past 6 weeks I have been having problems with my left leg swelling up, I went to see the doctor and she said I had Lymphedema and it was a side effect from my operation, I casually replied the op had left me with a few problems her reply was it's better than dying of Prostate cancer I agreed 100% and went on my way with a smile. Anyway I am wondering how many of you out there have the same issue and if it was short term.


cheers 


Eddy

User
Posted 30 Oct 2018 at 15:31
My surgeon told me that lymphodoema occurs after 3% of prostatectomies, and can happen years later.

Sorry you have the problem now. Best of luck.

Cheers, John.
User
Posted 30 Oct 2018 at 16:49
Eddy, maybe the occurrence of lymphoedema depends on how many and which lymph nodes are removed. In my case 18 were taken to be checked for PCa and all were cancer free. I suffered swollen legs, mainly my left. This happened immediately and six years later it persists. I believe it to be permanent and incurable. There are things that lymphoedema specialist nurses may be able to suggest - Nora Batty stockings (useless) and massage (nice at the time but short lived) were things I tried six years ago, but maybe there are new ideas around.

Good Luck.

AC
User
Posted 30 Oct 2018 at 17:44

Cheers Auld Codger.


The problem has just started in early September about 12 weeks after my op, it seems to come and go but some times the swelling is quite bad, I have no pain at all but a bit of tingling and a heavy feeling in my leg. When I raise my leg up it helps and I have been told to wear stockings as well. Just another problem to cope with but it could be a lot worse.


thanks Eddy.

User
Posted 05 Nov 2018 at 19:51

Coming up to 5 months since my op and after a terrible start with my incontinence I have had my first completely dry day. Not a leak at the gym, washed my car and did some gardening, and not to forget I took the dog for a walk. I am hoping this is the start of things come and the end of using pads. Back to the hospital next week for my second PSA test fingers crossed it's clear again. 


 

User
Posted 05 Nov 2018 at 21:07
Fantastic - hope all goes swimmingly from now on
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard
User
Posted 05 Nov 2018 at 21:52

Brilliant news - very pleased for you as it makes a huge difference to quality of life. 


Kind regards


Kevan 

User
Posted 05 Nov 2018 at 23:02

Great news. Hope the PSA stays undetectable.


 

Ido4

User
Posted 16 Nov 2018 at 15:07

The weeks fly by 5 months after my op and I have  just had my second check up and this time asked all the right question. The good news is that my cancer was down graded to T2 from T3a, and the Doctor implied he would not expect any further problems with the cancer (fingers crossed). I discussed my ED with the Doctor and I am having an appointment made for me at the ED clinic regarding a vacuum pump to help keep my length!! .I found out today that I did not have nerve sparring surgery so this is the only down side to the operation. I had my blood test today but am waiting for the results of my PSA the last two were undetectable so I will update on that when I get them. I have been pad free for two weeks now, but I am still hitting the pelvic floors daily so recovery going really well in that area. My mood swings have been all over the place lately some days very happy then the slightest thing and i'm off on one, I mentioned my mood swings to the doctor and he recommended i visit a support group to see if this helps, has anyone else been to one and did it help. 

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User
Posted 16 Nov 2018 at 15:55
Sorry you are still not quite right Eddy,

I’m lucky, inasmuch that I haven’t needed any pads since about three weeks post-op, five months ago. I never bothered with any pelvic floor exercises, although I did download a phone app for that, which someone here recommended, that I have since erased, as it was not required.

I think I would need a turbo-charged, latest model, Dyson mains-powered pump to regain the length ‘stolen’ from me my by surgeon, albeit to save my life😉. Am I bovvered? No. I’m just getting the manual one off the NHS.

I have not had any mood swings or depression since my diagnosis, as I researched the statistics about PCa and its morbidity rates. Others here who have lost family and friends to it, think I am callous about the matter, whereas I think I am being pragmatic.

One oncologist told me I am ‘cured’, the little liar, so I’ll go with that for now. I hope your PSA stays ‘undetectable’. If there is an increase in the future, it’s by no means the end of the world, just a load more hospital visits, drugs, ray-guns, etc., that’s if you can be bothered with any of it!

Best of luck for the future.

Cheers, John.
User
Posted 28 Nov 2018 at 11:59

Just received my latest PSA tests and after two undetectable tests this one is <0.02 ug/L. I was a bit concerned at first but I think this reading is still very good as it seems to be very low indeed

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User
Posted 28 Nov 2018 at 12:26

great news, kept it up


andy63

User
Posted 29 Nov 2018 at 00:29
If it's got the < sign it means it's undetectable the number just indicates the sensitivity of the test
User
Posted 17 Jan 2019 at 17:43

appointment at the ED clinic to discuss my impotence and have decided to try a vacuum pump to keep my equipment healthy just in case I recover my ability to have a erection. not that I need a running commentary (haha) but I would like to know if anyone has used this method and how did they find it and did it help.

User
Posted 17 Jan 2019 at 20:40
John was advised to use it 3 times a day, with 5 bursts of pumping each time. This is to go some way towards replicating what used to happen naturally - erections on waking up, during your sleep, in the shower etc. He didn't enjoy using the pump but the fear of atrophy (the death of the spongy tissue in the penis that fills with blood) meant that he did use it regularly when he wasn't feeling down.

When you get the pump, it may be accompanied by a DVD, or there are videos on Youtube. It is important to get a good seal, so trimming the pubic hair short helps as does using lots of lube on the inside and edge of the tube. After such a long time, your penis may be out of practice on engorging and it can be quite uncomfortable; the trick is to pump slowly and steadily, releasing the vacuum and starting again after a few minutes. When John started he could only get engorged to the E of Esteem on the side of the tube but with practice, was able to get much higher up the tube At least you can see the progress before your eyes.
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard
User
Posted 17 Jan 2019 at 20:52

Thanks Lyn for your reply, I was given a run though on how to use it so after a bit practice hopefully I will get there.

User
Posted 12 Feb 2019 at 16:38

The time has arrived had my regular PSA test today hopefully it's good news again when I visit the consultant  next week.


On a different note I had no nerve sparing when my prostate was removed so have no ability to fire up down below, I decided to try the vacuum pump to keep my equipment healthy so after 3 weeks of use I would totally recommend this to anyone else out there with the same problem, it's not the same as getting a normal erection but it's a great feeling seeing your manhood standing erect again, so anyone thinking about using one don't be put of by the thought of manually getting a erection give it a go and take it from their. A big thanks to Lynne for her advice.


 


 


 

User
Posted 21 Feb 2019 at 08:02

Hospital appointment today for my 3 monthly check up and hopefully my results stay the same, it's a funny thing but I haven't really given it thought, but when I went to bed last night all I could think of was what would my PSA be today. I was asked at the last appointment if I could get my tests done at the doctors so they could go discus  up to date information. 

User
Posted 21 Feb 2019 at 08:10
Good luck
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard
User
Posted 21 Feb 2019 at 12:36

Appointment went well PSA undetectable again, pretty much totally continent just the very odd leak now and again. Off on holiday on the 4th March so will be able to relax it's my Wife's 60th I think she  needs a break, we forget that this affects other people in the family and some times it's easier for the person with the cancer to cope with it.

User
Posted 21 Feb 2019 at 13:43

Great news. I hope you and your wife have a fantastic well deserved holiday.

Ido4

User
Posted 22 Feb 2019 at 22:02

That's good news on the PSA front.


Eventually I got a pump supplied and use it regularly (while brushing my teeth!  Looks weird but so what).  I couldn't make he rings work so hasn't worked as an aid to regaining any sexual ability.  After a long wait to see someone in the Urology Dept of my local hospital, an appointment which was a complete waste of time,  I paid to see a specialist who recommended Invicorp which my GP then maintained on prescription.  Its been brilliant. Painless and effective.


I hope that you have found something that works for you.


All the best


stu k

User
Posted 23 Feb 2019 at 05:11

Hi stu k


thanks for the thumps up, sorry to see you needed further treatment and your cancer was upgraded, not what you want to hear when you go for the operation but hopefully the follow up treatment gets rid of the cancer for good. I was lucky my cancer was down graded and totally contained in the prostate so hopefully I don't have any further problems but it's still a worry every time you go for a PSA test that the dreaded thing has returned. As for the pump it's a bit of a come down when you can only get a erection using this contraption, I find it works well and can maintain a erection using the rings, it is a bit of a passion killer when you have to pump it up (haha). I was reading about the Invicorp injections do they work straight away or is it similar to using the pump and how long does the erection last. 


thanks again Stu k and good luck with your treatment hope all goes well.


eddy.

User
Posted 23 Feb 2019 at 10:34
Eddy, the next time you see the ED nurse you can ask about the injections and creams - she will explain the pros and cons and will probably do it there and then to show you how.
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard
User
Posted 23 Feb 2019 at 10:46

Eddy,  sent you a pm


regards


 


stu k

User
Posted 03 Jun 2019 at 16:56

PSA test tomorrow followed by my results on the 13th June and that's my first year out of the way since my operation. The last 3 tests have been clear so hopefully this one is the same but you do start to get a bit twitchy when the time comes around. I am pretty much continent now, but now and again if I cough or sneeze I leak very slightly but its not a problem at all. I still have no ability to get a erection and I can't say its ok because its not but it's something you just have to cope with. 


This last year has not been easy at all, I still have times when I feel sorry for myself and think why me, but you just have to get on with it. The support from my family and friends has been great  at helping me cope with this but most of all the support from my wife has been fantastic. 


So hopefully my check up goes ok and I will post my results next week.

User
Posted 03 Jun 2019 at 22:45
Re erections it's NOT something you have to put up with. There is a treatment option for pretty much every failure cause, the question is whether you can put up with the side effects or associated risks!
Re PSA anxiety it never goes away!
User
Posted 03 Jun 2019 at 23:16

It's worth keeping up with the penile rehabilitation too (vacuum pump, etc). Someone here has had recovery after 3 years without nerve sparing - I guess nerves can regrow in some cases. (A friend severed nerves in his arm when a window broke and speared him, and those nerves regrew over 18-24 months - I don't know if the same can happen with erection function nerves.) Even if they don't, you want it fully working for injections, creams, pump/rings, etc. If you give up waiting, an implant might be an option too.

User
Posted 03 Jun 2019 at 23:42

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
Re erections it's NOT something you have to put up with. There is a treatment option for pretty much every failure cause, the question is whether you can put up with the side effects or associated risks!
Re PSA anxiety it never goes away!


The stats at the national urology conference in 2017 - 10% of men who had full nerve sparing never have an erection again. The % for men who had partial or non nerve sparing is obviously worse.


I communicate with a wife whose husband had full nerve sparing at the same time as John. He has tried everything; even the pump failed to produce any kind of response. Sadly for some men, nothing works and, as is the case with men who are left with permanent incontinence, it is important not to suggest that they are simply not trying hard enough or have given up too easily. 

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard
User
Posted 04 Jun 2019 at 09:36
It’s a year today since my operation, and my truncated Thomas has shown no sign of life since then, despite partial nerve-sparing surgery and attempts at chemical erectile assistance.

I am grateful to be cancer-free😉 and continent. I can still enjoy a sort-of orgasm.

Quite happy.

Cheers, John.
User
Posted 13 Jun 2019 at 18:19

Had my 12 month appointment today with the consultant that did the operation. My PSA was undetectable for the 4th time and I have now been put on 6 monthly checks at my GP, the consultant said he didn't expect any further problems  so all in all I too am quite happy  John, just have to cope with the impotence but I must say the vacuum pump does work and is keeping my equipment healthy.

User
Posted 17 Jun 2019 at 18:09

My actual 12 months Diagnosis.


Prostate cancer Gleason 3+4=7 stageT2c NO with negative margin.


Robotic assisted radical prostatectomy and bilateral pelvic lymph node dissection 14/06/2018.


left lower limb lymphoedema.


On going erectile dysfunction.


04/06/2019 PSA 0.003 ug/l.


Well I must say not a lot to complain about!! haha.

User
Posted 17 Jun 2019 at 23:52

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member


I communicate with a wife whose husband had full nerve sparing at the same time as John. He has tried everything; even the pump failed to produce any kind of response.



That sounds like very poor blood supply to the penis (assuming correct pump usage). It does happen in men who haven't had PCa where it can be an early sign of cardiovascular disease, commonly preceding the first heart attack or angina by about 3 years.

User
Posted 18 Jun 2019 at 00:14
Great PSA result Eddie - hopefully the ED will improve.
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard
User
Posted 18 Jun 2019 at 00:22

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member


Originally Posted by: Online Community Member


I communicate with a wife whose husband had full nerve sparing at the same time as John. He has tried everything; even the pump failed to produce any kind of response.



That sounds like very poor blood supply to the penis (assuming correct pump usage). It does happen in men who haven't had PCa where it can be an early sign of cardiovascular disease, commonly preceding the first heart attack or angina by about 3 years.



NHS stats are (were) that approximately 10% of men never have an erection again. Nothing wrong with his pump technique that I could ascertain and he was mid-50s at dx. Nine years on the husband in question hasn't yet had a heart attack, there is no diabetes and I am not aware that anyone has raised questions about cardiovascular disease, he was just one of the unlucky ones, it seems. It didn't help that he lived in the area of a small Trust and travelled out of area for private RP - his local NHS then refused any kind of ED support or treatment so there was a significant delay in dealing with it which probably led to major atrophy. 

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard
User
Posted 18 Jun 2019 at 05:49

Thanks Lyn. Not holding out much hope regarding the impotence absolutely no sign of life down below since the op.


I find it surprising to read some people are having problems with the vacuum pump I would have thought it was a  sure way to get a erection, it's been a game changer for me mentally  as it does give me the ability to have a erection . 


eddy...

User
Posted 18 Jun 2019 at 19:18

Hi I am glad to hear you are progressing well after your OP, I had robotic assisted prostatectomy Sept 29th 2016 so nearly 3 years post OP, I still wear the smallest of pads mainly small drips after going to the toilet, erections started after about 18 months now pretty much normal it all just takes time, I still remember when I had my catheter out I just leaked everywhere it was just awfull and I never thought I would be where I am today about 98% continent erections almost normal and best of all PSA undetectable, best wishes to all on this site,

Paul

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Posted 22 Dec 2019 at 08:27

18 months since my op and my PSA is still undetectable so all is looking well for the future, I have been handed back to the doctors and now have a 6 monthly PSA check. Incontinence pretty much cured but I do leak sometimes when I sneeze or cough which can be annoying depend where I am. Erections are a thing of the past no sign of movement but I do use a vacuum pump which is a game changer and keeps me healthy down below. All in all I could complain but I feel very lucky I am not in the same situation some people are on this site. 


I wish everyone a merry Christmas and hope 2020 is a better year for you all.


 

User
Posted 24 May 2020 at 13:00
I've not been on for a while but I was wondering if anyone has a problem with sharp pains in there bladder area especially thought the night when it's full and you need the toilet when you wake up. the pain goes straight away when I have a wee, I thought it might be pressing on a nerve when it's full seeing my prostate has been removed.( 2 years ago).
User
Posted 25 May 2020 at 09:05

Hi wow, that’s amazing how quickly you’ve had it all done. I was diagnosed Dec 19, 2019 and am still waiting for my surgery. My score was 4&3 and psa was 13. It’s nice to hear that all went well and your not in to much pain. Hope you have the motion your expecting and speedy recovery.


Car.

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Posted 15 Dec 2021 at 21:49
Update on my radical prostatectomy, just had my 3 and half year PSA check and it's stayed at 0.0007 now for over 3 years. am pleased i made the decision to have a radical prostatectomy,
 
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