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Posted 18 Nov 2018 at 19:42

Hi Gemma,

I had it in my lymph nodes and I have been told I am cured by one oncologist (I take that with a pinch of salt, but so far he is correct), and that I won’t die of it by the top prostate cancer oncologist in Britain (I believe him). And I have never felt so well.

So don’t be so despairing. Wait for the biopsy results and take it from there. And work out a treatment plan. I have just been down the pub with my mate whose PSA was 300 four years ago, and now it’s 8, following treatment. He has had no side effects or any problems with just hormone therapy.

Best wishes to Hubby, doubt if the menu and wine list in his own private room is as extensive as going private!

I was surprised at the menu choices I was offered at the Royal Surrey Hospital on the NHS after my prostatectomy. They looked rather good! I had a few snacks and an OK pasta dish during my two nights there, but I had such a dry mouth, presumably a result of the drugs and general anaesthetic, I didn’t really feel like eating. Yet I put on weight there. God knows what was in those drips I was connected to. Lucozade?

Do investigate into making a complaint as there seems to have been a serious shortcoming somewhere, and you might save someone else’s life in the future.

Cheers, John

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User
Posted 18 Nov 2018 at 19:43
Thank you so much. Never wanted something so bad (to be no where further away)

Also concerned about micro mets

User
Posted 18 Nov 2018 at 20:12

I am not Her Majesty's Principal Secretary of State for Health and Social Care, but in Parliamentary terms, “I would refer the Honourable Lady to my answer made a few moments ago”:

”The TRUS biopsy is as bad as we thought it was” - the number one specialist prostate cancer consultant oncologist at Britain’s number one cancer hospital, The Royal Marsden.

 “The investigators found the transperineal (biopsy) approach to be protective. Compared with transperineal biopsy, transrectal biopsy was associated with nearly 3.5 times increased odds of infection” - Renal and Urology News.

So aside from pathetic internet on-line squabbles, Gemma, I hope your man comes out of hospital very soon with a positive treatment plan in train soon afterwards.

Best wishes for the future.

Cheers, John.

P.S. Oh, and since you mentioned it before on a different thread Matron, I have found another example of a xenophobic ‘racist’ ranting about the infiltration of our National Health Service by foreigners:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2249742725096386&id=6622931938&refsrc=https%3A%2F%2Fm.facebook.com%2FChannel4News%2Fvideos%2F2249742725096386%2F&_rdr

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User
Posted 20 Nov 2018 at 08:42
Allowed out of hospital late last night.

Microbiotics team said the infection is quite resistant but trying another antibiotics which will be administered at home for 7 days by nurses coming in. Anything to get out of hospital.

Husband feels fine

Still haven't heard anything about results

User
Posted 20 Nov 2018 at 09:25

Let's hope that he continues to improve that you get good result.

User
Posted 20 Nov 2018 at 10:13

Very pleased your man is back home Gemma - hospitals tend to be full of sick people!

Did they shed any light on who authorised his premature discharge and who demanded his immediate recall?

Cheers, John.

User
Posted 20 Nov 2018 at 10:37
I think it was the microbiotics team who wondered why he had gone home! The consultant thought oral antibiotics would cut it but apparently not

Don't fully understand but they had to grow the bacteria to see what they could fight it with which takes time and it wasn't a simple infection

Antibiotics need to be done intravenously

User
Posted 20 Nov 2018 at 10:50
Thought so. I nearly suggested he stop at home and keep taking the tablets, but then deleted that sentence. Obviously IV antibiotics were the way to go.

Hope he gets over this current setback very soon and onto a treatment plan as soon as possible.

Cheers, John.

User
Posted 20 Nov 2018 at 15:49
Hi

I also had sepsis 2 days after the Trus biopsy, I was taken Ill at work shaking, when paramedics arrived temp was over 39, luckily my next shaking session I was in hospital, they grew culture from my blood to find right antibiotic given Intravenously and sent home after 4 days. The biggest blow came 2 days later with result of biopsy and told I had cancer.

Hope everything for your hubby works out ok.

User
Posted 20 Nov 2018 at 16:01
Thank you

Life seems surreal at the moment as he feels and looks good

User
Posted 22 Nov 2018 at 14:53
So just called the specialist nurses to see when we should expect results.

They had a MDT meeting yesterday regarding my husband and want us to go in Monday morning to go through results of CT scan and biopsy with specialist nurse.

Is it unusual to go through results with a nurse?

User
Posted 22 Nov 2018 at 14:57

Hi Gemma, 

I asked the same question only a couple of weeks ago, thinking if there was anything wrong it would be a consultant that wiuld tell us. Sadly for us it wasn’t the case, and we were told my husband had PCa by the CNS.

Hopefully for you it will be different.

User
Posted 22 Nov 2018 at 15:13
I had the consultant, a Macmillan nurse, and a.n. other conducting a survey present at my ‘Dear John’ meeting to tell me what I already knew.

They helpfully offerered to record the conversation and gave me a CD of it. Sadly, it never made the Top 40. And I never bothered to listen to it anyway!

Most smart phones have recorders built in, so make your own recording if you want. Some people are overwhelmed and can’t take in what they are told, so ‘evidence’ of what is said could be helpful.

Best of luck, as ever.

Cheers, John.

User
Posted 22 Nov 2018 at 15:36
Ok I have results, nurse called back

Apparently it could be a lot worse

G score is 9

Spread is in lymph nodes close to prostate and one small close in the pelvis

Not in soft tissue

Going to arrange follow up with surgeon

Is this good? I know rather not have anything but could be worse

User
Posted 22 Nov 2018 at 19:19

Maybe not 'good' but it could be worse if it had spread to the bones or another organ.  

User
Posted 22 Nov 2018 at 19:23
No to be honest I wasn't expecting good in terms of PSA level so relatively it could of been a lot worse.

I'm just concerned that given this diagnosis we are seeing a clinical nurse specialist on Monday and not an oncologist.

I've asked initial questions to the nurses such as is it curable and what is the benefit of surgery and they don't know

I might call tomorrow and insist we see an oncologist and get a second opinion as it's so important

User
Posted 22 Nov 2018 at 19:37

Absolutely agree with you.  A second opinion is always helpful and you can ask all the questions you need to.  

User
Posted 22 Nov 2018 at 19:50
Gemma, I was a Gleason 9, diagnosed 11 years ago, so you may take some comfort from that. It is rare for Gleason 9 cases to be curable. I think you were writing that there is a bone met in the pelvis? Bone mets suggest a readiness to spread. Soft tissue mets can be tackled with systemic treatment such as chemotherapy. I totally agree with getting an oncologist's view as he/she will certainly take over treatment from a surgeon, who will have no useful role to play

AC

User
Posted 22 Nov 2018 at 19:54

Thanks AC

Theres no bone mets but in lymph nodes

Nurse seemed quite confident in being able to control for 5 years although imoissimpo to say exactly

User
Posted 22 Jan 2019 at 09:09

Hi guys,

So we have our first oncology appointment this afternoon after 2.5 months on HT. So worried about what they're going to say.

Also my husband has a pain at the top of his left hip, around the bone when you press on it. Could it be the HT? 

User
Posted 22 Jan 2019 at 13:03

Gemma,

Practically the same DX as me. T3bN1M1 PSA at start of HT 108 Lymph nodes spread outside pelvic region and 1 small bone met in pelvic bone.

Started HT 20/06/18 and early chemo (6 Cycles) 29/06/18.

Last chemo 19/10/18  then PET/CT Chlorine scan and bloods 4/11/18

Follow up Onco meeting PSA down to 1.4 and all Lymph node shrunk from 3cm (mm?) to 1.5. Normal size about 1cm.

I'm a builder and since DX built an extension and renovated a flat, got my eldest daughter married and managed to live life as close to normal as possible. Chemo was a breeze for me with only a few off days and a foul taste in my mouth for a week each cycle. I know each person reacts differently to any sort of treatment they may get but dont get to down about what is happening to your OH. 

Once the treatment is agreed upon things will seem more positive.

All the best and good luck

Andy 

User
Posted 22 Jan 2019 at 13:13

Thanks Andy.

I think as it's been so long and in the mean time life has gone on as if nothing has happened that it's going to be a bit of a reality check this afternoon.

Fingers crossed it's still within pelvis so we were told were looking at radiotherapy with curative intent unless anythings changed 

Good to hear you've done so well, long may it continue

User
Posted 23 Jan 2019 at 09:09

Ok so yesterday didn't go as planned

Back in November we were told radical radiotherapy would be given with curative intent after being discussed at MDT meeting

Yesterday was first meeting with oncologist and hes advised the dosage of radiotherapy is radical but intent isn't cure and talked about chemo extending life by a year in addition to radiotherapy

Can anyone give me some hope/positives, I feel totally devastated and really don't know how to do this 

User
Posted 23 Jan 2019 at 11:28
Hi Gemma not what you wanted to hear BUT it sounds like they are going to throw everything at it which will give your man the best chance of a long remission.

Have they now re-staged him? If so what is his stage and GS??

User
Posted 23 Jan 2019 at 11:39
Sorry to hear this Gemma. Did they say what had changed? Did they say if he was beyond cure why they are still suggesting a radical treatment ie RT?

Bri

User
Posted 23 Jan 2019 at 12:14

Hi, no nothing has changed re stage or Gleason so I'm confused to be honest. We were left 3 months after being told treatment was intended to cure.

I did say we were told that treatment plan was radical radiotherapy and he said yes the dosage is the same as radical but not intention.

I think they do radiotherapy now from results of stampede.

I may call the nurse soon as yesterday was so rushed, he just wanted his chemo form signing and to get us out 

User
Posted 23 Jan 2019 at 12:33

Gemma,

I had a similar "CONVERSATION" with my one of my oncologists at the hospital i'm being treated by. And it is very frustrating that they firstly assume you know what they are talking about and secondly don't appreciate that you are sitting there terrified about what they are going to tell you so you don't hear half of what they are saying except for anything that relates to a time scale!

Anyway the other consultant oncologist I have seen was much better and took the time to explain all the in's and out's of what was happening with my treatment.

Anyway to help you here is what i was told, and others please correct me if I have made any mis-assumptions.

Curative intent - Only achievable if the tumor has not broken out of the prostate and usually treated by removing it and follow up HT and/or RT.

Otherwise for men like me treatment is to suppress the growth of the Cancer by HT together with chemo and/or RT.

Now from what I understand HT will only work to suppress the cancer for a certain number of years (each person is different) but by having up front chemo will extend that time. They say a year but research (STAMPEDE TRIAL) is still ongoing so that figure may change with more data. I have been told that I should get 5 years before HT stops working, but I take that with a pinch of salt as I'm pretty sure none of the specialists really know how my body will respond. So far everything has gone to plan.

I have yet to go down the road of finding out what will happen when my HT stops working but from what i've read on hear that's the start of another adventure

I can't say anything about RT as it's not on my treatment plan at present.

By the way if you can get your OH onto the Stampede Trial do so. I'm on it but only as a control sample i.e. I get no different treatment, but he will be monitored longer than usual which is also good.

Hope this helps

Andy

User
Posted 23 Jan 2019 at 15:27

So we have an answer and Im fuming.

We spent months after being told we were on a curative treatment plan, our first appointment with oncology yesterday was confusing.

So I've called the oncology specialist today to get some clarity. Turns out the one effected lymph node is by the rectum which is outside of the radiotherapy area.

So why was this not seen at the MDT meeting? Why were we told treatment was with curative intent? Why was this not explained yesterday?

The only reason we've found out now is because I've persevered and was confused about yesterday's meeting

 

User
Posted 23 Jan 2019 at 16:00
Why can't they treat that node? Too close to other organs?

Ask why it can't be surgically removed??

Does he have spread to bones too?

Lots of good news stories from the states about treating Oligometastatic disease.

I don't want to give you false hopes but don't take it for granted that your MDT team will have all the answers and remember they will also have one eye on NICE and costs.

User
Posted 23 Jan 2019 at 16:05

Thanks Francij1

Yes too close to bowels to radiate but I'll ask about surgery

She was quite positive about controlling it and his PSA has come down to 0.2 from 167 after 2.5 months on ht which is a good indicator

Just upset that the plan has changed and we've found out by accident. I presume the lymph node hasn't moved so someone's got it wrong. No bone spread

 

User
Posted 26 Jan 2019 at 15:14

Does anyone know when the best time is to give chemo?

I'm concerned that at the moment it's planned for 3 months to the day after hormone therapy started

BUT

My husband has a recurring urine infection which isnt going to go away until he has kidney and bladder stones removed (which there is a 6 week wait for consultation)

Not sure if they'll give chemo with infection but I don't think it should be delayed anymore than it has already

User
Posted 26 Jan 2019 at 17:49
There isn't a 'best' time to start chemo - it is still such a new concept. Radiotherapy has been around for decades and they still can't agree whether it should start 3, 6 or 9 months after HT.
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 27 Jan 2019 at 14:54
Hi there.

I’m new to this forum but have been reading lots of the personal stories over the last few months and I wanted to reply to Gemma’s posts about her worry and confusion over her partner’s diagnosis.

My OH was diagnosed as T4 N0 M0 Gleason7 (3+4) in July 2018. His PSA count at the start was 180. Because of the size and position of the tumour, surgery was not a practical option. Recommended treatment was HT followed by RT and/or Chemo. He’s now completed 37 days of RT and is waiting for his follow up scans to see how well it’s worked. His PSA is down to 0.1.

As I understand it, the word ‘cure’ has not been used, but the RT has been given with ‘radical intent’ which we understand means that they will try to eradicate the tumour as far as possible. In my view, that’s as good as it could be. He will continue with the HT for a few years and then, if all is still well, he may not need further treatment. As far as I’m aware, no one has suggested that the HT may only be effective for a limited period of time, but I haven’t been privy to all the discussions with the medics, so I might be wrong about that. I think that chemo will be held in reserve to use either if the RT hasn’t worked as well as hoped, or if the PCa comes back in the future.

My partner is a very fit 70 year old with no chronic medical conditions other than a bit of arthritis. He’s not overweight, exercises a lot and has a good diet. He’s coped very well with all the treatment so far; he’s been fatigued and had a bit of bowel and bladder irritation, but nothing that’s stopped him carrying on with his very active life. Only moan was that he couldn’t indulge in as much red wine as he would have liked because he was still having RT over the Christmas period!

I’m writing this because, like Gemma, I was very worried in the initial stages when the tests were being carried out and it felt as if the diagnosis was a big jigsaw puzzle that was being delivered one piece at a time and nothing fit together! It didn’t help that some of the letters were written by medics for whom English is not their first language. While factually correct, the grammar and punctuation was often poor and it mislead me into thinking the diagnosis was much worse than it turned out to be. I had to spend some time googling medical terminology to figure out what was what! The other concern was that the oncology team didn’t have a correct chronology of events, which delayed treatment. Fortunately, we did, so we were able to put them right. Annoying at the time, but with hindsight, it probably didn’t adversely affect anything.

I know Gemma was concerned that she and her partner were originally directed to a specialist nurse instead of an oncologist. I actually think that’s a good thing- these people are incredibly skilled and will, in many cases, know as much as the doctors. My OH has had excellent treatment from his specialist nurse team who have provided practical help and reassurance in ways the doctors either don’t have the time or expertise to do.

Once we were on the’treatment treadmill’, the worries we had receded a little. He managed to arrange his RT early in the mornings so it wouldn’t affect his entire day. Not easy getting up at 5.30 on dark winter mornings, but psychologically helpful in that the treatment doesn’t become the entire focus of your day. We’ve had support from friends who are going, or have gone through the same thing and have come out the other side with a renewed zest and appreciation for life. We hope we’ll also have many healthy years ahead of us.

I’m sorry that your OH also has kidney/bladder problems to contend with, Gemma: he could surely have done without that, as well as his reaction to the biopsy. But like Andy and John on this forum, I’m sure once you have a full, clear picture of will happen, it’ll be much easier to deal with. As others have said in different threads, it becomes the new normal, a challenge to be met! Good luck for the future.

S L

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Posted 27 Jan 2019 at 15:29

Thank you SL, I appreciate your reply.

I'm not coping very well at all as my posts might suggest!I may try to arrange a meeting with the nurse tomorrow to go through everything and then try to move forward

 
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