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Confused about diagnosis

User
Posted 09 Apr 2019 at 17:02
If they did decide not to give any active treatment for the prostate cancer, it would be because they felt the treatment could cause more damage than the actual cancer. The ethical dilemma for the multi-disciplinary team (the meeting on Friday) will be whether treatment can be offered that does not make his heart problems worse.

It is unlikely that they would decide to do nothing but if they did, you would no doubt find a strength that you don't even know you have, because the most important thing would be to keep dad calm and not allow him to become frightened or distressed.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 09 Apr 2019 at 17:18

That changes things a little. It probably means that the biopsy is no longer required.

Have the doctors told you any more yet?

User
Posted 10 Apr 2019 at 07:58

Apparently he is going back on tablets today and 3 monthly injections . They mentioned radiology too and a possibility of a bone biopsy 

 

User
Posted 10 Apr 2019 at 09:29
Good to have a plan: with his heart condition, he would not be able to cope with more radical treatment - but while he will benefit form the hormone therapy, that will be hard work for him, so you'll need to ensure he gets monitored carefully going forward.
User
Posted 10 Apr 2019 at 09:58

What am I to expect from the hormone treatment . Has anyone had psa risen so quickly to 1000. 

What is the need for the biopsy of the bone 

User
Posted 10 Apr 2019 at 11:15
It is very unusual for a PSA to rise from 7 to 1000 so rapidly; they might be wanting to see whether it is the common form of prostate cancer (adenocarcinoma) or one of the more rare types - there are at least 27 different types and some don’t respond to hormone treatment as well as others. Or perhaps they want to check that he doesn’t have two different cancers at the same time.
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 10 Apr 2019 at 11:18

If he hasn't had any long period of hormone treatment before, then the prostate cancer is usually powered by testosterone. The hormone treatment will prevent the body producing testosterone, and that will stop the cancer growing, and it can even shrink. This should also reduce any pain from bone mets. PSA is likely to fall to single figures and can even drop lower than 1 (although possibly not with a starting point of 1000).

This treatment can last many years, but eventually the cancer mutates and learns to grow even without testosterone (referred to as castrate resistant, although the hormone therapy is being used instead of castration nowadays). When the hormone treatment starts failing other drugs are added to try and slow the cancer growth, e.g. bicalutamide (150mg, a higher dose than you're on now) typically adds something like 6 months to the effectiveness.

The loss of testosterone has side effects, most specifically to sexual function. However, there are others too such as loss of body hair obtained a puberty (and conversely, prevention and sometimes reversal of balding, loss of body odor). He may also get many symptoms of menopause, such as hot flushes, and osteoporosis. The latter when added to bone mets significantly increases risk of bone fractures, and additional medication may be given to try and counteract that.

The bone biopsies - my guess is they want to be sure this is just prostate cancer and not some other type of cancer. Prostate cancer is relatively easy to slow down in the initial stages with hormone therapy as above, but many other cancers aren't, and if they find some other types of cancer, additional treatments may be required or they could be looking at different medium term prognosis.

Edited by member 10 Apr 2019 at 11:26  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 10 Apr 2019 at 17:02

He’s just been to radiology and told he’s starting treatment this day next week. I’m only family member and work full time - will this be every day ? 

User
Posted 10 Apr 2019 at 17:17

It depends what they're doing - you will need to ask.

Curative radiotherapy to the prostate/pelvis is usually 5 days a week for at least 4 weeks (and usually more). I don't know if radiotherapy is ever given to the prostate palliatively (can't think why it would be).

Palliative radiotherapy to mets is I think usually a lot less in frequency, sometimes just a once-off to a specific area.

User
Posted 10 Apr 2019 at 20:27
They might be planning to give palliative RT to stabilise some bone mets and reduce the pain, in which case it will be either 1 visit or daily for a few days (usually a maximum of 5). Since they have not suggested a few months of HT first, it doesn’t seem like they are suggesting the radical version of RT, which is between 4 and 7 weeks of daily visits.

Would your employer allow you to have some time off, even just to go to the first session and find out what’s what? The appointment for RT is usually very quick.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 10 Apr 2019 at 21:28

I think my employer will be good I hope so 

 
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