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Just how painful IS a transperineal biopsy?

User
Posted 03 Dec 2022 at 18:40

I realise this post is quite old now but my experience wasn’t good.

I-admit I was tense, okay scared a little and internally freaked out when my legs were taped into the stirrups!!

However it was painful the first few bits really really hurt and I blame the surgeon as as soon as the deeper two anaesthetics were put in and he got right on it.

the first several bites really really hurt. As the anaesthetic stared to work it got better

when I hot home I was very very sore and found it had to sit but the next day was a lot better

 ever again I hope !!

 

User
Posted 03 Dec 2022 at 19:07

Not great but needs must soon over and it's the waiting for results tension kick's in

User
Posted 03 Dec 2022 at 19:21
See my post 14/2/22. I would be surprised if you biopsy was undertaken by a consultant. Mine was performed by two nurses + plus a student nurse who with my permission observed (Poor thing was probably mentally scared for life 🙈). As they always say on here everyone experience of prostate cancer, and everything resulting from it, is different.

Although I don't doubt you had a very painful experience, I would hate anyone awaiting a biopsy not to have it for fear of it being painful as for the majority of us it's uncomfortable rather than painful. Like a PSA the biopsy is vital for getting the correct diagnosis.

I'm sorry for the pain you suffered an which you well in future treatment. Good luck.

Best wishes

Les

User
Posted 16 Mar 2023 at 14:29

Mine was done under GA by a consultant. When I woke up I was in some discomfort and was wondering what on earth they'd done. I walked to the carpark like John Wayne. My wife checked when we got home and it turned out that the huge adhesive dressing was pulling on all hairs. Other than that the first ejaculation is quite a suprise!

User
Posted 16 Mar 2023 at 16:12

I had 4 biopsies, perhaps a Guinness record holder  :)

All were under local. Non of them painful but rather great discomfort. My first one was 5 years ago. When I recall it, I still remember that bad feeling for each of 8 sampling, I had an inner nervous shock even before the taking. However I learned that rather than concentrating on what is going to happen next, tried to keep my mind off the subject. By 4th biopsy (that was 24 takings), I mastered the art of not thinking about it, I got into a dialogue with one of the nurses in the room. It did work. I really did not notice much of anxiety, nor discomfort compared with 1st one. 

 

 

p.s

The 1st and 2nd (8 samplings) biopsy were 5 years ago while I was abroad. It had to be repeated as the first one was not conclusive, the net result was negative. 

The 3rd (12 sampling) biopsy 18 months ago came out all negative but MRI showed T3a. So it was again to be repeated as the result were contradictory. The 24 sampling showed G7 (3+4).

 

Edited by member 16 Mar 2023 at 16:28  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 16 Mar 2023 at 17:19

Found it tolerable grit your teeth for 5 mins 👍

User
Posted 20 Apr 2023 at 12:42

I had my transperineal procedure on Monday with a local anaesthetic, and all went pretty smoothly. Beforehand, I’d watched a couple of videos on YouTube that showed the way it would be carried out in the UK and that was fairly reassuring. My main concerns were not so much about experiencing pain, but more psychological, especially the thought of needles going into an internal organ and getting embarrassed by presenting all my bits to a room full of medical personel.

The medical staff explained clearly what would happen every step of the way. I was given antibiotics and had to provide a urine sample which was probably the hardest thing I had to do. I had worried about the undignified position I’d be in for the procedure but in the event this wasn’t an issue as I was fully engaged in them getting me in the best place. The doctor repositioned my legs which pushed them as far apart as I was comfortable with and I had to shuffle down the couch to present the best possible surface. My genitals were scooped up in the gown and then taped out the way. 

After rubbing on iodine to cleanse the area, they first sprayed a freezing spray on the whole area which felt strange. I found the digital examination more painful than when my own doctor had done it, but the staff were very alert to any pain I was in. The two initial injections hurt as much as having one in your mouth at the dentists and I could feel the anaesthetic going in. The deeper injections that followed also gave me a small amount of pain but after that, the only thing I felt was the unusual sensation of the samples being taken.

I was played the sound of the biopsy capture to forewarn me and then the doctor began taking samples whilst one nurse engaged me in conversation to take my mind off what was happening. Afterwards, a dressing was sprayed on. I was given coffee and looked after until I felt ready to go home. They were keen for me to pass water which I did because I’d drunk loads beforehand to provide the urine sample. I followed their advice to take it easy for the rest of the day. There was a tiny bit of discomfort where the needles had gone in and a little bleeding. My urine didn’t have any blood in it but after two days, I ejaculated and that was a big shock. I was warned there might be blood in my semen, not that all it would like I was bleeding from my penis. Reading comments on here reassured me that this was perfectly normal.

User
Posted 20 Apr 2023 at 14:03
After the next few weeks the colour should change from "tomato sauce" to "brown sauce" as the blood cells die, and then it'll gradually clear up. It is entirely normal.

All the best,

Chris

User
Posted 20 Apr 2023 at 15:52
Glad it went well open4321. I think it’s certainly better than getting it done up the jacksie! And much less prone to infection too.

I’m Amazed (I shouldn’t be really) at just how good the nurses are..they kept my mind right of it even though I had a visiting party from another Healthboard watching the whole procedure! You kind of get use to these things like dropping your drawers every day for RT!

User
Posted 10 Jul 2023 at 22:40

I had a tp under local 6 months ago - I have delayed posting as I did not want to put people off. But as a retired medic I think it is reasonable that people should have all the facts. I was probably unlucky but I found the procedure extremely uncomfortable and would not be prepared to go through it again. Although it was carried out very professionally by experts. The local anaesthetic was very painful (8/10) although I was warned and prepared for that. They then waited for 5 minutes for the local to work. What I was not prepared for was that I felt all 9 biopsies (a bit like bee stings) on the one side and by the 9th I felt the prostate was on fire (9/10) and I could not have taken much more. Fortunately the second side was not as bad. Then to cap it all the burning increased and I was in severe discomfort for the next 1.5 hrs. Fortunately my wife was able to come in and drive me home as I could not have driven. I told the nurses I was in pain but no analgesia was offered. Once I got home a large dose of ibuprofen soon calmed things down.  But it was all very unpleasant especially as I consider myself a reasonably stoical person who hardly ever takes painkillers. - and the results were negative so that's good.

Given that this is going to be a very common procedure and many people will need more than one. I wrote to the surgical team to tell them about my experience as I felt the level of pain was unacceptable in this day and age.  I suggested that they should at least offer people IV sedation/ analgesia with something like shot of midazolam and fentanyl immediately before the procedure. The surgeon did reply to me but made no mention of offering anything IV. I can see this is offered by some centres, perhaps more so in the USA. I don't think I could go through that again without more attention to pain relief.

User
Posted 10 Jul 2023 at 23:16

I had my Biopsy done back in October 2020 , very straight forward procedure was more uncomfortable rather than painful for me, a teeth cleaning sessIon at the dentist is more painful. 

User
Posted 11 Jul 2023 at 01:41
It appears to me that it is the injections and time waited for these to take effect that may account for the widely differing experiences of men. Many will have had a tooth drilled and filled where the dentist waits a short time before drilling, while others let you wait in the waiting room while they work on somebody else and only then resume working on you - the latter with less painful results.

As previously mentioned, i can't say i found my 2 tp biopsies painful at all. However, I had to abort a Colonoscopy for a different problem as it was very painful, whilst others breezed through it.

Barry
User
Posted 11 Jul 2023 at 08:23

Barry - yes it is weird my guys did wait 5 mins by the clock between local injection and biopsy, but it didn't work well. The surgeon thought it might have been the fact that there was some inflammation in the prostate - but I don't buy that. I have had a colonoscopy and had no pain at all in fact I found it a very interesting experience. But they did give me an IV shot of something which was wonderful. In fact I wrote to the surgeon after to thank her and offered to have another one if she could give a a shot of the same stuff again! 

User
Posted 11 Jul 2023 at 08:42

I agree that the time elapsed between injection of the anaesthetic and the procedure could be the cause of the variation in pain. Possibly as a result of inexperience (how many urologists have actually had a transperineal biopsy? They’d wait a bit longer if they’d had one themselves!) or of time pressure due to numbers - there’s a lot of us chaps just itching to get our feet in the stirrups. 

My advice would be to ask to wait a bit longer for the anaesthetic to work properly. 

User
Posted 11 Jul 2023 at 10:24

Nice recently issued guidance on TP biopsies. https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/dg54

It is quite possible that your biopsy was done by someone with little experience in new techniques. On the guidance page you will see that you can make a yellow card report to report your experience. Things will only change if Nice knows there is a problem.

Dave

User
Posted 30 Jul 2023 at 20:59

Posting my experience as I hope it will help anyone about to go thru the same...

So I had a 24 core biopsy (this seems a lot - even my surgeon raised his eyebrows when he read my notes pre surgery 😳). It was done under a local anaesthetic. Medical team were excellent. Uncomfortable, yes but not really painful, anticipation of the next "click" was the worst thing. It sounds more like a stapler than a nail gun 😉. Afterwards a dull ache and just a feeling of tenderness. Bit shocked by the bloody wee afterwards and tbh I felt a bit dizzy so they kept me in for an hour for observation. Back home, quite sore for a bit but eased off after a few more hours and paracetamol. End of day, felt fine although soje sitting positions were slightly uncomfortable. I was mostly worried about after effects particularly infection or urine retention (as we were due to travel on holiday 10 days later). Little bit hard to wee for a few days, pinky brown semen for several weeks but pleased to report that ten days later I was laying on a beach (and trying to forget the fact that the biopsy results would be available on our return to the UK 😕)

User
Posted 30 Jul 2023 at 21:01

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

I am sure there is a maximum number of cores that can be taken under a local anesthetic. I had 13 cores taken under my local and 19 under a general 3 months later

Ivan 

 

 

 

Hmm, interesting. I had 24 under a local anaesthetic 😮

Edited by member 30 Jul 2023 at 21:02  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 30 Jul 2023 at 21:13

MIke had 22 cores taken under local anaesthetic 

User
Posted 30 Jul 2023 at 21:38

I had 14 under local which subsequently broke into 21

User
Posted 30 Jul 2023 at 21:40

My husband had 26 samples under local. He said although he winced at every click, it wasn’t painful through most of it, at one point he started to feel more pain and they administered more anaesthetic and he was fine. Post TPB he was a bit uncomfortable but not really any pain and he was pleasantly surprised.

 
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