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Husband newly diagnosed, PSA 24.7

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Posted 05 Sep 2024 at 07:57

Hi kazzy.

My 2nd biopsy results were similar. T3a, 20 out of 24 cores, Gleason 8 (4+4), PSA only 6.6.

I had robotic surgery 4 months later. The post op histology confirmed T3a, capsule just breached. The Gleason score was increased to 9 (4+5). During the op they removed 9 lymph nodes, seminal vesicles and some surrounding tissue. Which came back clear and I had negative margins.

18 months later my PSA is undetectable but apparently I am still at high risk of recurrence.

Initially there was some debate as to my suitability for surgery. During the 2 months prior to the op, because of the uncertainty of what radicaI treatment I'd be having, I was given some HT, Bical tabs, but this isn't usually done before surgery. However, I believe HT is usually given prior to RT.

Edited by member 05 Sep 2024 at 08:09  | Reason: Typo

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Posted 05 Sep 2024 at 08:23

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

Update following OH’s biopsy results:

10/13 biopsies contain cancer

PSA 24.7 (I had somehow got it down as 200 🤷🏻‍♀️ so very relieved!)

Gleason 9 (4 + 5); T3

Referred for CT to check for any spread, but confirmed MRI showed local lymph nodes clear and bone scan was also clear. 

Questions:

1 - Am I right in thinking that all the lymph nodes are then likely to be clear, as it would have gone to the local ones first before spreading through the lymphatic system??

2 - If he is offered surgery would he have HT first, or is that only for pre-RT?

3 - A physio (non NHS) told him today that HT is unlikely to be given regardless as it’s so expensive, but I had thought it was the norm if he’s guided down the RT route. Can anyone clarify?? (The physio session was for an unrelated injury)

4 - Has anyone else had a similar set of results? … I know each case is very different but just trying to get my head round what we are likely to have ahead of us, although I appreciate that it is largely guesswork until the CT is done

Thanks in advance, and I hope all is going well for you. 

very similar to Adrian in my case:

T3a, 13 of 20 cores positive, Gleason 8 (4 +4) PSA of 4.1

I am booked in for surgery on 1st October where they will be removing the prostate and a number of lymph nodes (but not certain yet on the number).

I was offered the choice of surgery or HT/RT treatment but chose surgery as they are confident they can remove all of the cancer.

I was told that if I went down the HT/RT it would have been 3 months of HT followed by 20 sessions of RT then the HT continuing for at least 2 years.

Dave

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Posted 05 Sep 2024 at 09:21

Hi Kazzy60,

Here are some answers…there’s people much more knowledgeable than me on here that can maybe answer some of them.

1. Sorry don’t know, you could call the Specialist nurses on here

2. I think there are some on here who have had some form of HT before surgery when there’s perhaps been a delay in getting their surgery. Maybe Bicalutamide which is administered in tablet form and seems to have less side effects.

3. Funny a non NHS person(acupuncturist) told me that as well. I asked the question of the NHS and nobody knew about this. However, I believe some cancer centres are offering 5 doses of much higher radiation which doesn’t require HT….in my opinion that’s a big step forward. I know from my point of view, HT was an essential part of my treatment helping to shrink the cancer before RT and helping mop up after RT, but I wouldn’t like to stay on HT any longer than absolutely necessary!

4. There are many on here with a fairly similar diagnosis. I know it’s difficult but things will get easier when the MDT has met and decided what options are open to your husband.

I hope you’re both doing ok and managing to have some fun times together.

Derek

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Posted 05 Sep 2024 at 09:45

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
3. Funny a non NHS person(acupuncturist) told me that as well. I asked the question of the NHS and nobody knew about this. However, I believe some cancer centres are offering 5 doses of much higher radiation which doesn’t require HT….in my opinion that’s a big step forward.

Hi Derek.

I agree. I thought this was ground-breaking treatment. It was limited to  low/intermediate  prostate cancer which was contained. I've heard nothing since, and cannot recall anyone from this forum having this treatment.

Edited by member 05 Sep 2024 at 09:46  | Reason: Typo

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Posted 05 Sep 2024 at 09:48

Hi Kazzy

I’m sorry to hear about your husband I can totally empathise how you feel/ 

My husband was diagnosed with Gleeson 9 in April this year! His initial biopsy was T2b but after surgery he was T2c 

He did not have Hormones before surgery and I believe it can make it more difficult to have the Radical Prostectomy. 

He has recovered well from surgery he had right side nerve sparing. He has some continence issues but the surgeon thinks it’s early days and he’s doing well! 
He is aware because of Gleeson 9 he has a fair chance of needing further treatment in years to come but surgeon was very positive about his overall survival being very good. 

The Diagnosis stage was by far the hardest to cope with and we have already settled down back to normal life. Things will get easier. 

Take care 

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Posted 06 Sep 2024 at 02:32

Thanks Adrian, Dave, Derek & Margot - it’s so reassuring having you guys to talk to. 💕

Adrian, do you mind me asking why the 4 months between diagnosis and surgery? In our area they say they aim to operate within 31 days of diagnosis … is it just postcode lottery, or did you have other treatment to undergo first?  (We’ll be gutted if we’ve to wait till January if we go down the RARP route! 😢)  It’s massively reassuring to know you are doing so well. The Gleason score and T3 result knocked us sideways, so this is really encouraging!!

Dave, that’s interesting you were offered HT as part of the RT route, and you’re T3 too. Looks like the physio was misinformed … maybe just out of date knowledge 🤷🏻‍♀️ Good luck with your op!! I’ll be looking out for an update on how you are getting on! 🍀🍀🍀

Derek, after reading your response re the 5 doses of higher radiation I did a bit of digging. I gather the final outcome is the same as the 20 fractions but of course great to get it over with quicker, and especially with no HT needed.  In the short term there seems to be significantly more bowel problems, but they settle in time. I’m very daunted by the prospect of HT having read your story, but forewarned is forearmed and if we end up going down that route I’ll definitely be better prepared thanks to you. (In particular re acupuncture & Sertraline)  We’re doing our best to follow your advice, keeping busy, having fun, lots of family time and finding plenty to laugh about!  

Margot, great to hear your husband is doing so well. I know surgery is my husband’s preferred option if the MDT are happy with it, so it’s lovely to hear how well things are going for you having gone down that route so recently. Hope it continues and I’ll keep an eye open for any updates!

 

Thanks again to you all for your support and for letting me benefit from your own experiences.  Having to belong to this “club” is truly horrendous but the members are amazing!! 🥰

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Posted 06 Sep 2024 at 07:16

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
Adrian, do you mind me asking why the 4 months between diagnosis and surgery? In our area they say they aim to operate within 31 days of diagnosis … is it just postcode lottery, or did you have other treatment to undergo first?  (We’ll be gutted if we’ve to wait till January if we go down the RARP route! 😢)  It’s massively reassuring to know you are doing so well. The Gleason score and T3 result knocked us sideways, so this is really encouraging

Hi Kazzy. 

My second diagnosis in Sept 2022 showed that the disease had progressed extensively. T3a, extraprostic extension and Gleason 8 (4+4), later upgraded to Gleason 9 (4+5).

I saw the surgeon a couple of weeks later, and he put me on a waiting list for robotic surgery. I was told I may have to wait three months for the operation.

I was thrilled, when a couple of weeks later, they informed that they had managed to fit me in to for the op in Nov 2022. I went to the hospital that morning and was told the op had to be cancelled due to a lack of beds. My wife and I were gutted.

The op was rescheduled for Dec 2022. I went to the hospital was all gowned up and ready for surgery when at the last minute the anaesthetist had concerns regarding my suitability for surgery due to blocked heart arteries and the op was cancelled. My wife and I were absolutely devastated. That is when I started HT, to tide me over whilst cardiology and urology made a decision on whether it was too risky for me to be operated on.

Eventually I had the op in Feb 2023.

I sailed through the op, but unfortunately had a minor hear attack less than 5 weeks later. I ended up in hospital for three weeks where they drilled out the blockages and fitted stents. It was an awful time. It was very difficult, recovering from the prostatectomy and dealing with the discomfort and incontinence, whilst also having to deal with the the heart problem. I'm fine now.

As I stated, 18 months on from the prostatectomy, despite a very high risk of recurrence, my PSA is still undetectable. My heart condition has vastly improved and I'm now able to play footy with my 10 year old grandson.

Life's good now. I'm fully continent and I'm dealing with ED by using Invicorp injections.

At this time, I feel I'm a very lucky lad. However, despite trying as hard as I can not to,  I still fear the possibility of recurrence.

 

Edited by member 06 Sep 2024 at 09:49  | Reason: Additional text

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Posted 06 Sep 2024 at 09:41

Oh heavens, Adrian, you and your wife & family really have been through the mill!! Thank you for sharing that. Your positivity is absolutely inspirational. If there’s one thing I take from this forum it is there are always lots of people with the same results who have got through it and are still enjoying life. I know there are good survival statistics but real people are far more reassuring than bald statistics.Take care 💕

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Posted 06 Sep 2024 at 10:01

Il ditto that Kazzy, proves how unique we all are. Whatever path of treatment is available, we all hope for the same result so we can get on and live 🙏

Best wishes to all of you 🤞

Jac & Al

 
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