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Lutetium 177 treatment sessions.

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Posted 21 Dec 2024 at 10:48

Hi guys, can anyone give me a detailed account of their experience of the lutetium treatment sessions.

If and a big if that is the treatment I was to have it would be 120 miles from home.  Just wondering about the practicalities of that potential treatment.

Thanks Chris 

 

User
Posted 21 Dec 2024 at 13:49

I would also be interested too, as I’m sure Phil1969 would as they are possible future treatments for us.. 

Cheers 

Phil

User
Posted 22 Dec 2024 at 09:47

Hi colwickchris

I presume you've been referred by your oncologist to the Royal Marsden hospital in Sutton or Chelsea for the possibility of receiving lutetium 177 which unfortunately is self funded at the moment.

I had a zoom conversation with one of the doctors there a few days ago,they felt that my bone mets we're not showing enough spread on my last psma pet scan in November to warrant the expense of the treatment at this time in my journey I was advised to wait for now and use other treatment options that are open to me and when the time comes to contact them.

I'm hoping that when that time comes it will be available on the NHS as this treatment is "eye watering expensive"( the words of the consultant I spoke to)

I wish you well on your treatment options as it can be an anxious time knowing which way to turn....regards Phil 

 

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Posted 22 Dec 2024 at 11:11

Phil, thanks for your reply, we are taking advantage of company medical insurance, the treatment would be at a Genesis centre in Windsor.  It may not be approved by the Lutetium specialist or the insurance company because the proposal is not the standard protocol. Some long term members will know of Jamie from the Mill.

Thanks Chris 

User
Posted 22 Dec 2024 at 16:49

I can't find it now, but I'm pretty sure I read on here from one of the first people treated in the UK at Genesis centre in Windsor some years ago, but I can't find it now. He was picked up and dropped off in a stretch Limousine. While you might think that the cost of the treatment would justify this, it was actually so he could sit in the back-most seats, opposite side from the driver, so the driver didn't get too much radiation dose.

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Posted 22 Dec 2024 at 19:33

A lady called Lynn Eyre on here has a tremendous knowledge of all prostate situations and treatments, and posters treatments and may well have the insight you are looking for, but she has not posted in here since April, so unsure if she is still checking in or not.

 

User
Posted 22 Dec 2024 at 22:06

Hi

All I can tell you on lutetium is that it targeted radiotherapy you have a max of 6 cycles each cycle is 6 - 8 weeks apart,before and after 2 cycles you have a PSMA pet scan to see if it's working,you maybe already know this but I hope it helps.

Regards Phil 

User
Posted 22 Dec 2024 at 22:21

Andy, I also saw something about being picked up and dropped off, and during my last SABR treatment there was a lady who was chauffeured to and from the clinic not sure if it was a limo. My wife has often said she would have liked a motorbike, can you still get a motorbike and sidecar, would that be adequate  😀? Thanks.

 

Paul, I know of Lynne's knowledge and I have met her at one of the social gatherings we used to have. I don't think any of her men had lutetium treatment, talking to one of the prostate nurses on Friday she can put me in touch with someone in a similar situation but not exactly the same situation. Thanks for the reply.

Thanks Chris 

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Posted 22 Dec 2024 at 22:31

Phil, thanks for the info, the onco spoke about 6 sessions six weeks apart. I had read about the early scans to see how effect it was.  The psma scan and SABR treatment had no immediate effects and driving after them was not an issue. Just curious about guys experience of the lut177 sessions.Thanks for the reply.

Thanks Chris 

User
Posted 23 Dec 2024 at 11:47

Interesting info re the Lutetium. Thanks guys.

 

And would be good if it became free on the NHS but I can’t see it. As far as i can tell the benefits aren’t brilliant.

 

in the meantime I’ve just gotta wait till mid Feb to see if or when they’ll put me on the Radium 223. No scans booked up so presumably they’ll just use PSA as a guide. I do see that Lutetium can be used after the Radium which i suppose is good…..

 

Take care 

Phil

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Posted 23 Dec 2024 at 12:59
Chris given you are asymptomatic re PC and all your "issues" are actually treatment related are you not concerned L177 may give you more issues than it resolves?

What have you medical team said that makes L177 attractive? TBH it's initial promise does not seem to have delivered IMHO. Or is it's early use (in your case) a potential game changer??

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Posted 23 Dec 2024 at 17:25

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
Chris given you are asymptomatic re PC and all your "issues" are actually treatment related are you not concerned L177 may give you more issues than it resolves?

What have you medical team said that makes L177 attractive? TBH it's initial promise does not seem to have delivered IMHO. Or is it's early use (in your case) a potential game changer??

 

I have seen a study of a few men who underwent lut177 treatment in similar circumstances. One had an excellent result some had moderate success and others a failure.  There is no guarantee that it will be offered as detailed below.

Thanks Chris 

"I reviewed Christopher in clinic today. His recent PSMA PET scan has identified new left internal iliac lymphadenopathy, as well as retroperitoneal lymph nodes, and a highly suspicious left supraclavicular fossa lymph node. There is too much disease here to consider radiotherapy or SABR. I have said I think now is the time to consider further treatment for his cancer. I know Christopher has been loath to consider treatment thus far because of hormonal side-effects.

 

Ordinarily, the recommendation in this circumstance would be for indefinite LHRH analogues and the addition of a novel anti-androgen. I think in his case, I would use Abiraterone and low dose Prednisolone. I think this is likely to control his cancer for four to five years. An alternative would be to continue observation if he is loath to consider hormone treatment, but we would have to set a threshold or some idea of when we may consider instituting hormone treatment. I think further observation may come with a modest detriment to overall how long he may live.

 

The third option would be to consider Lutetium-177. This is unorthodox, but I have had one patient where this has occurred. To even consider this, he would have to have a consultation with Dr xxx down in Windsor, and it may be that his insurer will not fund this, but it is certainly a possibility that can be explored."

 

User
Posted 23 Dec 2024 at 21:27

Thanks for sharing that, very interesting, so it's a decision based on your oncologist's personal experience (as many treatment evolutions probably are!). The output from your consultation will be very interesting too so I hope you will share that ..

I have been watching this guy recently as my own experience of an intermittent keto diet has made me much fitter and got me off all metabolic (blood pressure) medication's:

https://youtu.be/qa3j40c8iAo?si=rUzigL-1osdylqjO

 

The theory seems pretty convincing, would be interesting to see what your oncologist thinks about .Dr. Thomas Seyfried.

 

Edited by member 23 Dec 2024 at 21:30  | Reason: Later link here: https://youtu.be/ENllkzs5Gpk?si=gCd7JO9_LuS5lm5f

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Posted 15 Jan 2025 at 14:53

Hi Chris.

Have you managed to get any more information on the Lut 177? 

I don’t think it’s an option for me due to cost versus efficacy. Just not worth it for a few months extra if you’re lucky.

Phil_1969 has been offered a new immunotherapy trial subject to tests etc… This might sound more interesting. 

Cheers

Phil

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Posted 15 Jan 2025 at 15:39

Phil, initially the insurance company have said it's not included in my policy. I have to go and see the lut177 specialist and if I am suitable he presents a case to the insurance company committee.

Thanks for the other info.

Thanks Chris 

 
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