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Post RRP - Discomfort in Perineum / Prostate site

User
Posted 01 Oct 2014 at 17:39

I had RRP on 5th August at the Royal Marsden.

My recovery was set back a few weeks when I was hospitalised for almost a month with an horrendous infection - but generally I think I'm doing OK and I'm mainly grateful that the op was a success (cancer removed entirely with clear margins).

I'm not surprised by the difficulties that I'm having controlling my bladder during the day-time and I understand that over time and with enough Pelvic Floor exercises this should resolve itself.

However what I am finding difficult, is the constant discomfort in my perineum / prostate site whether I'm walking, sitting down or bending down.

Has anyone else experienced this discomfort? If so any suggestions for how to alleviate it and any idea how long it might last would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

David

 

 

User
Posted 01 Oct 2014 at 19:54
David

I am 5 months post Da Vinci op , I had the perineum discomfort on and off for about three months, mostly when sitting down or getting in and out of the car. Mostly it was discomfort not pain but occasionally quite painful. Not noticed it in the last couple of months.

Thanks Chris

User
Posted 02 Oct 2014 at 10:29

The operation is a big one with muscles cut, bits removed and heat used to seal up some areas on the inside where something was chopped off. Your op was only a few weeks ago and I think you will experience some discomfort for several weeks if not months to come especially when you move. I certainly did (mine was back in April/May) and in fact when I was at a classic car do just last weekend I experience a bit of a 'pull' when walking around the displays.

 

I think that with robotic surgery the outward signs, the entry ports, are so small and they heal up so quickly that it is difficult to relate them to what has gone on inside. This is far greater than you may think...in fact quite radical as the operation name suggests.

 

Keep taking the pills...it'll all get better in a few months. However, if you do feel the pain is a bit more than expected do get it checked out by your GP. A hernia is easy to come by at this stage and with only slight exertion. So, rest and recuperation are what are required....knock the weightlifting and canoeing on the head for a while http://community.prostatecanceruk.org/editors/tiny_mce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-wink.gif 

 

Great results BTW...happy days,

 

Steve

User
Posted 02 Oct 2014 at 21:50

Hi David,

Perineal pain/ache/tenderness is very common following robotic prostatectomy. This is a complaint that's, perhaps, 'overlooked'.

I have it mostly when sitting down or getting in and out of a vehicle but not troublesome just literally 'a pain in the a..e'!

As Steve so succinctly explained major surgery will cause a lot of tissue trauma whether laparoscopic or not. As the prostate is so close to the perineum....

It should eventually resolve and if it persists or worsens see your GP as suggested.

Best wishes,

Jacey

User
Posted 25 May 2019 at 16:44

Hi everyone, I am new to this site and found this thread very useful. Thank you for sharing your experiences. I had radical robotic /da Vinci prostatectomy in a private hospital in London about 3 months ago. The great news is clear margin and my PSA now undetectable.  I am rather uncomfortable when I sit down for long periods -especially in my car or hard chairs etc. I was interested to read that others have also had similar experience and am curious to know how long I might expect the discomfort to last; I am 14 weeks post op. Many thanks 

 

User
Posted 16 Aug 2019 at 17:02
6 months is probably still too early for major alarm bells to be honest. My testicles were too tender to even touch for 4 months. My thighs had no feelings at all for six months etc. I had bowel and bladder adhesions for 3 yrs I reckon which were so uncomfortable. Don’t ignore it but maybe give it 3 more months??
User
Posted 19 Feb 2020 at 03:51

Hi Guys,

I am new to this site but I would like to add my experiences to those already posted on-line. My RP was undertaken in Hong Kong about 12 weeks ago. I am 72 years of age. Post Op I have generally felt fine. I have very little leakage, the wounds have healed well and body functions are almost back to normal. My first PSA reading after the operation was < 0.1 but I did have some initial pain in my penis and scrotum area so I took medication to prevent a possible infection. The pain has almost gone but there is still some residual discomfort.

However, my current problem is a constant pain in my rectum/anus area. This is much better when I am not active and during periods of sleep. I have been concerned why this has not improved after almost 3 months so the advice of others in this forum is comforting. My Gleason score was 8 before the operation which placed me in the high risk bracket and my longer term concern is that cancer will return, possibly in my bones. Any pain that lingers increases the anxiety and further testing may be necessary. I have my next PSA reading in early April. I have agreed with my doctor to review my current issues in about 3 months time. If there is no improvement then I may have another PET scan and an internal investigation of my rectum. 

I would be pleased to hear any advice other sufferers may wish to give.

Regards, John

User
Posted 20 May 2023 at 18:14

9 days out of RARP surgery and today started with the pain - almost like severe constipation but my bowel movements have been quite loose so jumped on to Google and found this conversation. So thanks for all of the comments and I now feel more comfortable that this is a typical issue and nothing to be concerned about.
Bladder control seems to be reasonable - very slight leakage and I know I have 30 secs to get to the loo after standing up - but I do seem able to start the flow on command and the bladder is emptying in one go - been a few years since I had that LOL

Watched a video on YouTube of the entire procedure today - I can post a link if anyone wants it - now I know why it takes a couple of months to heal LOL.

Edited by member 20 May 2023 at 18:16  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 02 Oct 2014 at 07:14

Mine was about two months, but oddly worse when standing still. Walking was better. I'm afraid I didn't find a magic bullet, just heavy pain killers (under guidance of GP). Be careful to avoid constipation if you go down this route.

Tony

TURP then LRP in 2009/2010. Lots of leakage but PSA < 0.1 AMS-800 Artificial Sphincter activated 2015.

User
Posted 04 Oct 2014 at 15:53

Thanks chaps - your input is much appreciated.

I was starting to think I was the only one who had experienced this discomfort - so your experience and advice was very helpful.

Cheers

David

User
Posted 19 Mar 2019 at 19:58
thanks to all the guys who have posted their replies, it certainly has helped me: cheers
User
Posted 25 May 2019 at 18:52
It can take many months for all the internal damage from major surgery to heal, Jaime. I had my left kidney removed last September after my prostate MRI found unrelated early-stage kidney cancer. 8 months later and I still get pain in my side if I overdo things. There’s no magic wand - time will sort it out.

User
Posted 16 Aug 2019 at 16:49

Good afternoon everyone,

I wanted to check in again with an update as I am now 6 months post radical prostatectomy.  I am still uncomfortable , especially when seated.  I'm curious to hear from others because six months feels like enough time to heal but welcome feedback from others with their experience.

Enjoy the weekend !

 

 

User
Posted 17 Aug 2019 at 11:46

What Chris J said plus might be worth flagging up with your doctor for peace of mind.

Ido4

User
Posted 17 Aug 2019 at 20:16

thank you both , it really helps to hear from other people.

User
Posted 17 Aug 2019 at 22:30

Hi Jaime

I had my RALP at the end of May 2019. Surface wounds from the Robot have healed nicely. Frankly I had more bruising from the 28 days of Blood thinner injections. I probably only take a couple of paracetamol every few days.

Still got a little incontinence so I wear a Tena 2 throughout the day and something a bit bigger at night just in case.

So at 11 weeks I think I have healed pretty well if you are looking for a comparison. Wish you all the best.

User
Posted 17 Aug 2019 at 22:33

Jaime

Also, I had more problems sitting after the Biopsy compared to the RALP. I was very uncomfortable. I have had no problems sitting since the OP.

User
Posted 27 Aug 2019 at 17:27

Hi J

saw you post i'm 3.5 months post Rp and im having the same thing in the perenium discomfort when i sit on any firm chair or my car i have a pillow on the seats 

i tend to lean on one cheek still feels like a swollen thing in there cant ride my motorbike bladders doing ok i can make the loo little leakage if i stand for a long period  psa undetectable and clear margins tho follow up in jan

walking is no problem and it helps tbh 

so i'm kinda hoping that each one of us takes time to heal but if i get to 6 months ill call the doctor 

bike seasons nearly over anyway   

let me know how you are doing its good to know we are not alone and its felt like it for me 

my dog doesn,t undersatnd !

User
Posted 19 Dec 2019 at 19:55

Hi everyone , I am very interested to read about your experiences. I have just had an undetectable PSA result , so fantastic news. My RP was ten months ago. Thought I would mention that I still get uncomfortable sitting down, especially on firm chairs/seats. The sensation varies - sometimes an ache, other times feels sore, hard to pinpoint.  My Consultant reminded me that ten months is still early in my recovery and did not seem surprised. Hope others find this useful, thank you all for sharing .

User
Posted 17 Apr 2020 at 09:23

Great news Rokker. My Urologist thinks my issues could be down to scar tissue or even referred pain from issues I have with my lower back. My last PSA was 0.006 so I couldn't be happier about that. It would seem each of us has a slightly different experience and you might have to be prepared to wait a little longer for the pain to go. My pain, these days, is usually about 30 mins long after a pee then goes away until the next time. If I know there is no disease present I can live with that for now!

Cheers,

Mark

User
Posted 28 Sep 2022 at 18:21

Nick , due to having some problems with a stricture I have done numerous TWOCs and never failed. I make sure I am well hydrated before I get to the hospital, listen to the nurses and you should be fine.

My stricture was possibly caused by the catheter getting tugged out after getting stuck, it should just slide out, without any resistance or pain. If it gets stuck I would ask for a urologist to attend.

After three samples of around 200mls I was scanned to make sure I was voiding the bladder. Make sure you have some pads , the hospital will usually give you a few. I always took a waterproof cover for the car seat and a towel just in case of leaks, I never needed them.

Hope all goes well.

Thanks Chris 

 

User
Posted 29 Sep 2022 at 18:11

Hi Nick 

So I am doing the pelvic floor in different positions. Standing, sitting and laying on the floor. I am using the squeezy app to guide me. I found when doing the quick exercise I do sometimes leek a little when I relax. So this is day 3 for me since catheter removal. I think I may have seen a little improvement today. But I can be see it's going to take time. Fortunately I am dry at night and using 2 medium pads per day. I have found that if I am starting to leek a lot it's because I need to pee, I don't have that feeling that I had pre op that my bladder is full and I need to go. I also notice my flow is not as good as it was pre-op but I think there has been a bit of improvement today.

It is frustrating but I am sure things will get better for you.

User
Posted 05 Oct 2022 at 16:31

David, passing lots of urine down the outside of the catheter, known as bypassing, can be a sign of a blocked catheter. Are you still passing plenty of urine into the bag and does the bypassing reduce when laying down or at night.

You could get the catheter flushed out, but you were probably told do not let district nurses etc change your catheter. 

It can just be the catheter is a position where it is easier for the urine to come out of the penis instead of through the catheter. Best not to mess around with the catheter, you could call the ward that discharged you for advice 

Thanks Chris 

User
Posted 05 Oct 2022 at 19:57

David, I think it would be fair to say it is not what usually happens, I don't like using "normal" . Is there a problem, not necessarily but good that you are going to ring the hospital for advice. I am assuming the catheter is not trapped, kinked or bent and that you have the bag below the level of your bladder. Sometimes a bag change can help the flow,I don't know why, but many people on a Facebook catheter site say it solves the issue. 

Thanks Chris 

User
Posted 12 Nov 2022 at 21:36

Dennis ,I developed a stricture not long after surgery and had lots of dilatations and had a long period of doing daily self dilatation. The self catheterization could be the cause of the perineum pain either through rubbing, introducing an infection or dragging some debris into the urethra.

Thanks Chris 

User
Posted 13 Nov 2022 at 20:52

Wow Chris, you have certainly been on a challenging journey!

I am also in my 70s and try to keep myself active and fit. I consider myself very lucky that my PC was detected in a routine medical before I retired. I had no symptoms! I always feel so fortunate when I hear the experiences of men with advanced prostate cancer

I have a call with my consultant, (Name removed by moderator), on Friday when he will advise me of my latest PSA test. I will take the opportunity to advise of the ache from my perineum, although minor,  as it is not something we have discussed previously.

Best wishes for the future and managing your ailments. 

Dennis

 

 

Edited by moderator 13 Nov 2022 at 22:38  | Reason: Not specified

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Posted 01 Oct 2014 at 19:54
David

I am 5 months post Da Vinci op , I had the perineum discomfort on and off for about three months, mostly when sitting down or getting in and out of the car. Mostly it was discomfort not pain but occasionally quite painful. Not noticed it in the last couple of months.

Thanks Chris

User
Posted 02 Oct 2014 at 07:14

Mine was about two months, but oddly worse when standing still. Walking was better. I'm afraid I didn't find a magic bullet, just heavy pain killers (under guidance of GP). Be careful to avoid constipation if you go down this route.

Tony

TURP then LRP in 2009/2010. Lots of leakage but PSA < 0.1 AMS-800 Artificial Sphincter activated 2015.

User
Posted 02 Oct 2014 at 10:29

The operation is a big one with muscles cut, bits removed and heat used to seal up some areas on the inside where something was chopped off. Your op was only a few weeks ago and I think you will experience some discomfort for several weeks if not months to come especially when you move. I certainly did (mine was back in April/May) and in fact when I was at a classic car do just last weekend I experience a bit of a 'pull' when walking around the displays.

 

I think that with robotic surgery the outward signs, the entry ports, are so small and they heal up so quickly that it is difficult to relate them to what has gone on inside. This is far greater than you may think...in fact quite radical as the operation name suggests.

 

Keep taking the pills...it'll all get better in a few months. However, if you do feel the pain is a bit more than expected do get it checked out by your GP. A hernia is easy to come by at this stage and with only slight exertion. So, rest and recuperation are what are required....knock the weightlifting and canoeing on the head for a while http://community.prostatecanceruk.org/editors/tiny_mce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-wink.gif 

 

Great results BTW...happy days,

 

Steve

User
Posted 02 Oct 2014 at 21:50

Hi David,

Perineal pain/ache/tenderness is very common following robotic prostatectomy. This is a complaint that's, perhaps, 'overlooked'.

I have it mostly when sitting down or getting in and out of a vehicle but not troublesome just literally 'a pain in the a..e'!

As Steve so succinctly explained major surgery will cause a lot of tissue trauma whether laparoscopic or not. As the prostate is so close to the perineum....

It should eventually resolve and if it persists or worsens see your GP as suggested.

Best wishes,

Jacey

User
Posted 04 Oct 2014 at 15:53

Thanks chaps - your input is much appreciated.

I was starting to think I was the only one who had experienced this discomfort - so your experience and advice was very helpful.

Cheers

David

User
Posted 19 Mar 2019 at 19:58
thanks to all the guys who have posted their replies, it certainly has helped me: cheers
User
Posted 25 May 2019 at 16:44

Hi everyone, I am new to this site and found this thread very useful. Thank you for sharing your experiences. I had radical robotic /da Vinci prostatectomy in a private hospital in London about 3 months ago. The great news is clear margin and my PSA now undetectable.  I am rather uncomfortable when I sit down for long periods -especially in my car or hard chairs etc. I was interested to read that others have also had similar experience and am curious to know how long I might expect the discomfort to last; I am 14 weeks post op. Many thanks 

 

User
Posted 25 May 2019 at 18:52
It can take many months for all the internal damage from major surgery to heal, Jaime. I had my left kidney removed last September after my prostate MRI found unrelated early-stage kidney cancer. 8 months later and I still get pain in my side if I overdo things. There’s no magic wand - time will sort it out.

User
Posted 26 May 2019 at 08:45

thank you - that is reassuring

User
Posted 16 Aug 2019 at 16:49

Good afternoon everyone,

I wanted to check in again with an update as I am now 6 months post radical prostatectomy.  I am still uncomfortable , especially when seated.  I'm curious to hear from others because six months feels like enough time to heal but welcome feedback from others with their experience.

Enjoy the weekend !

 

 

User
Posted 16 Aug 2019 at 17:02
6 months is probably still too early for major alarm bells to be honest. My testicles were too tender to even touch for 4 months. My thighs had no feelings at all for six months etc. I had bowel and bladder adhesions for 3 yrs I reckon which were so uncomfortable. Don’t ignore it but maybe give it 3 more months??
User
Posted 17 Aug 2019 at 11:46

What Chris J said plus might be worth flagging up with your doctor for peace of mind.

Ido4

User
Posted 17 Aug 2019 at 20:16

thank you both , it really helps to hear from other people.

User
Posted 17 Aug 2019 at 22:30

Hi Jaime

I had my RALP at the end of May 2019. Surface wounds from the Robot have healed nicely. Frankly I had more bruising from the 28 days of Blood thinner injections. I probably only take a couple of paracetamol every few days.

Still got a little incontinence so I wear a Tena 2 throughout the day and something a bit bigger at night just in case.

So at 11 weeks I think I have healed pretty well if you are looking for a comparison. Wish you all the best.

User
Posted 17 Aug 2019 at 22:33

Jaime

Also, I had more problems sitting after the Biopsy compared to the RALP. I was very uncomfortable. I have had no problems sitting since the OP.

User
Posted 27 Aug 2019 at 17:27

Hi J

saw you post i'm 3.5 months post Rp and im having the same thing in the perenium discomfort when i sit on any firm chair or my car i have a pillow on the seats 

i tend to lean on one cheek still feels like a swollen thing in there cant ride my motorbike bladders doing ok i can make the loo little leakage if i stand for a long period  psa undetectable and clear margins tho follow up in jan

walking is no problem and it helps tbh 

so i'm kinda hoping that each one of us takes time to heal but if i get to 6 months ill call the doctor 

bike seasons nearly over anyway   

let me know how you are doing its good to know we are not alone and its felt like it for me 

my dog doesn,t undersatnd !

User
Posted 04 Sep 2019 at 18:00

Hi James88

thank you for your message - I read with great interest. I have just had a PSA test,  mine is also undetectable so congratulations to both of us!  I mentioned my discomfort to my surgeon and he arranged for an ultra sound of my pelvis/abdomen/scrotum which was all clear. Great news.  Like you, I sit on a cushion in the car and avoid sitting on hard chairs etc. I now work standing up, including on my laptop. I am now 7 months post op.  I have not tried to get back on my mountain bike!  Walking is fine for me, likewise sleeping.  I am very lucky;  dry from day 1 thanks to the surgeon and retzius sparing technique.  I guess we both just need to heal inside; I keep being reminded that robotic removal of the prostate is a major surgical procedure. thanks for sharing your story.

 

User
Posted 05 Sep 2019 at 17:07

I am 4 weeks after Robotic surgery and still have pain when coughing etc. I am sometimes concerned as to whether the pain is due to overzealous  Kegel exercise and was in fact advised to slow down for few days.

User
Posted 17 Nov 2019 at 19:28

Hi Jaime and all 

just an update to my sitting problem still can’t sit down on hard seats straight I had an mri and all clear flow test all clear 2nd 5 month psa still undetectable now my consultant has referred to a pain team ! Just a thought I did have lymph nodes removed when I had my robotic surgery could this cause the sitting problem ? as it’s all still quite swollen inside I have good days and bad days walking helps but sometimes I get a burning pain in my old boy I’ve been swabbed and dipped so so infection could it still all be nerves screaming and confused a bit like me tbh as it’s now impacting my quality of life on a day to day basis .... any help or advice would be really appreciated 

another thought could it be fluid retention around the bottom as I’d had my lymph’s removed or is this only legs swollen which I don’t suffer with 

 

Thanks james

 

Edited by member 17 Nov 2019 at 19:44  | Reason: Not specified

 
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