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User
Posted 02 Jan 2015 at 18:34

I agree with Si.  It is worth getting a second opinion,possibly privately.   Any chance of voluntary help on the farm?? NFU ETC

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Posted 03 Jan 2015 at 09:40

I have been reading other profiles and seems everyone has gone through a lot more than us, "wishes" your husband is the same age as mine, the psa is very low. The consultant told us there was no hurry for treatment until psa reaches 10, but I didn't agree with him on that one, having read all the stories on here I feel we are best ignoring that advice and getting treatment now. (he did suggest another biopsy in 6 months if it were left) I have been told he is the top man in the area (Addenbrookes, Cambridge) We were also told if we had medical insurance, they would not pay for brachy as it is not necessary yet.
No chance of help on the farm, only paid help, I can do some work, but I am a little nervous of the cows and I can't push the bales of straw round for their bedding (5' round bales, get pushed round to unroll) calving season will start 3 weeks after the treatment, which I think he will struggle with, the consultant said he will be fine to return to full time work by day 3 after brachy...hmm, not sure on that one, don't suppose he has tried the physical demands on the farm. My husband has considered just selling up and retiring, which he plans to do anyway in about 5 years, but for someone who can't sit still or stay indoors, if treatment goes well he would be really fed with no farm. Selling up isn't exactly a quick job anyway, may take a year or so.
I have had the lecture this morning about what to do if he dies on the operating table...I told him off, said he isn't having a major op and will be fine.
I wish both of us could be more like a lot of you on here,a lot of you seem so positive and have been through much, much more. I think you are all wonderful.
I won't feel more positive until the he gets the results of the MRI which he is having 6 weeks later. I can't go to the 6 weeks check as it is school holidays and I have our 3 boys to look after. As my OH keeps telling me he thinks there is a lot more going on inside than everyone thinks, that is worrying me. I am surprised he isn't having another MRI before brachy really, the consultant said the cancer won't have changed in 6 months, so we can only trust him. Until we get the results we won't know, it my well be "in his head" I hope it is!
Thanks for everyone's advice.

User
Posted 03 Jan 2015 at 12:06

Hi sjtb,
You do seem very very anxious about this - if reading stories on here is causing you to mistrust the doctors then it would be better for you to stop reading, I think. It seems to me that you are overthinking things - the specialist says he will be able to work 3 days later and I am sure he will be intelligent enough to be able to work out that farming is very physical work.

Has it been explained to you that the MRI 6 weeks post treatment will not be able to tell you that the treatment has worked? Only the PSA test patterns over the next 2 -5 years can tell you that.

I get the impression that you would not be so keen on selling the farm? Is he aware that he might not be able to get a mortgage now he has been diagnosed with cancer so might be limited to only buying a new home that you could pay cash for?

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 03 Jan 2015 at 14:33

Hello sjtb,

You wrote "  I am surprised he isn't having another MRI before brachy really" from which I deduce scans have indicated to the consultant that Brachy is a suitable treatment. Consultants don't offer treatments that are unlikely to be of benefit ! They want to enhance their treatment & success records. Nor waste resources.

So maybe it is time to allow the specialists to do their job where they have the experience. And looked at all the diagnosis details.

Look at it another way : if there was spread then it is likely many local treatments options would be out of the window. And your husband would be facing HT long term. Which, as mentioned previously, can be very  debilitating especially in a very physical job. Surely far better to take the local treatment & trust that will sort the problem. Subsequent psa results will guide you over time & plans can be made less urgently & without such pressure.

Seems to me you are looking for trouble which may well never arrive. 

User
Posted 03 Jan 2015 at 15:15

Hello. Yes he had an MRI back in June, I am just surprised they are not doing another one as surely things could have progressed in that time. But yes, I am sure the consultant knows what he is doing. It does say in the brachy booklet about going in and having everything measured beforehand, but they are going on the MRI in June

Yes I know about the MRI afterwards is to show where the pellets are positioned, but if the cancer was any worse like my OH keeps telling me, it would show up on there too. Hopefully we can all prove him wrong and that all is going smoothly. We went to a friends party last night and I could hear him telling people he doesn't feel right inside anymore and the pain inside keeps him awake. So until we hear after the MRI then that thought will stay with him.

It has done me some good reading others profiles as I realise how much further on some people are, I am grateful this has (hopefully) been found early enough. I am not allowed to tell him what I have read as he doesn't want to hear any stories, good or bad.

I am all for him selling the farm and enjoying life, we have 200 acres of arable and marshes plus lots of beef suckler cattle, also our farmhouse and we lost his parents last year, so have their large farmhouse too (being lived in by his son rent free, so not earning us anything at the moment) So plenty of money would be available for another property, so a mortgage would not be needed. My OH would like to retire eventually, as a few of his farming friends have passed away recently, they worked right till the end (that is obviously what they wanted) This has definitely made him think a lot more about life and the future.

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User
Posted 03 Jan 2015 at 19:32

Sjtb, we have already spoken together in your earlier posts.

I really do appreciate how you are feeling but it's only a little while now before the treatment starts.

Once something happens you will find that you will relax because the die is cast so to speak.

My husband will not read anything on this site either, he hardly listens when I tell him some of the stories. Although mine doesn't harp on about his cancer (apart from he gets a bit fed up sometimes) , I do try to point out to him occasionally how fortunate he/we are in comparison to others on here.

If it's any consolation, John's PSA has dropped since his procedure in June. Not having a definitive answer (PSA undetectable) like is usually the case following surgery is just something we have to put up with because of our choice of treatment.
Brachytherapy is supposed to have fewer side effects which is why h went for it, but something has to give and with Brachy that is in having a delay before we know whether we can really celebrate.

You have so much going on in your head at the moment, running the home, looking after young children, etc that everything else is becoming an enormous burden.

Keep strong

Best Wishes

Sandra

We can't control the winds - but we can adjust our sails
User
Posted 03 Jan 2015 at 20:59

I suppose an MRI scan could be done privately at short notice if hubby feels strongly about this. However, even MRI scans can miss small concentrations of cancer cells. The question as I see it, is would it be likely that an an MRI scan would lead to a different view being taken on the proposed treatment.? The consultant apparently thinks not.

Barry
User
Posted 05 Jan 2015 at 19:02

Well, we are certainly feeling frustrated now, my husband had a call from the consultant this afternoon, he said due to nhs cuts it is very unlikely the Brachy will be going ahead tomorrow, he said the seeds have arrived from Germany, which will get thrown away if not used, he has a meeting with his boss at 9am and will call us after the meeting, he said please take all medicine and the enema but be prepared for it to be cancelled! 

You have all seen what a nutty worrier I am, so a restless night ahead.

User
Posted 06 Jan 2015 at 18:05

Hello sjtb. How is the other half. Did the procedure go ahead.

I really hope so. It can be very frustrating all round when you gear yourself up to something like this and they cancel.

Best Wishes Sandra

We can't control the winds - but we can adjust our sails
User
Posted 06 Jan 2015 at 18:22

Hello, yes we got the call literally 10 minutes before time to leave. The consultant said they have cancelled a lot of people, the beds were empty so it wasn't due to lack of beds. I guess it is just nhs funding as they said. Very sad for those concerned.

We both slept quite badly wondering what was happening.

I stayed for an hour and a half today at hospital, they took the other chap first and said it would be another hour or so till my OH would go, so I left as I had to collect the boys. I am getting a little worried as not heard, he was due to in go at 2.30pm and now nearly 6.30pm I know what a worrier I am so resisting calling the hospital, no news is good news as they say. I will call at 7pm if I haven't heard otherwise. 

Thanks for asking.

User
Posted 06 Jan 2015 at 20:14

Yes, if there had been a problem you would know about it by now.

I too waited around for a call to say come and collect him but it didn't happen. In the end I took the decision to go as I was in Essex and he was in London and I was going by train. Also, I'm foot loose and fancy free as far as time goes and have no commitments I needed to worry about


Hopefully, by now, you have either heard or been and collected him.

He is likely to be sore and the anaesthetic may well still be making him woozy.

You'll need patience!!!!

Hope he's feeling better by tomorrow.

It's done now. Nothing more to worry about at this stage so relax and just let the seeds do their thing. It will be some time before you get seen again with any meaningful results so look after the other half and the children and let nature take its course.

Best Wishes to all of you
Sandra

We can't control the winds - but we can adjust our sails
User
Posted 06 Jan 2015 at 20:41

I have spoken to him, apparently the catheter is causing agony, he said it feels like his old chap is on fire, they have put a fan on it and given some cooling gel, he is begging them to take it out but they said 6am tomorrow. At least it is taking his mind off the spot where the seeds went in! Sounds a bit odd, but not a lot I can do. I have spoken to a few men tonight calling to see how he is, a couple of them have catheters in and say no pain. 

You are lucky yours came out same day, we would have rather been in and out in a day, but no option, just given afternnon appointment with overnight stay.

Edited by member 06 Jan 2015 at 20:43  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 06 Jan 2015 at 22:21

Well, two ways of looking at it sjtb. My husband was out the same day but suffered horrendous constipation. Had he still been in hospital he need not have suffered as he did, they supposedly would have sorted it out for him.

Hopefully, by the time the catheter is out he will be feeling better.

Try and get a good nights sleep.
Sandra

We can't control the winds - but we can adjust our sails
User
Posted 07 Jan 2015 at 10:07

Hello. I have a good 2 hour drive so now heading to hospital, catheter is out, the nurse said he hasn't passed enough water to leave this morning, he complained they are trying to drown him, he hates drinking much, the consultant told him he needs to change that habit. He drinks well in the Summer, but this time of year only 2 cups of tea a day and a half pint glass of water/juice/squash with dinner each day. 

I have texted him to ask if he has passed any water, but he doesn't reply. He just replied with "don't forget it is dustbin day!" 

I will let everyone know how our week goes.

User
Posted 07 Jan 2015 at 16:16

sjtb

What a relief your OH has had the op. I am sure if he keeps drinking, his discomfort will pass. Best of luck in his recovery, and make sure you look after yourself, too!

Paul

Stay Calm And Carry On.
User
Posted 07 Jan 2015 at 17:57

Thanks for messages, he is home, apparently the catheter after brachy is much bigger than normal, incase a seed is passed. I decided to walk the dogs before collecting him, while I was out he phoned and said he was allowed to leave. So he had a bit of wait for me to get there. 

The only real discomfort is still from where the catheter was, the end burns when he pees too, he also sat on the hard chair for dinner and said it was a bit sore underneath, but no more symptoms. Water works seem fine so far, no blood, so hopefully things might stay ok. Hoping we both get a good nights sleep (him more than me, but could do with it too!)

User
Posted 07 Jan 2015 at 20:31

Glad it's all over eh.
Sleep well both of you

We can't control the winds - but we can adjust our sails
User
Posted 07 Jan 2015 at 20:31

Very good news - and at least he knows where he stands where the dogs are concerned!

Sleep well - the 2 of you.

Paul

Stay Calm And Carry On.
User
Posted 08 Jan 2015 at 16:54

Thanks. I only took the dogs for a walk because I 'phoned the hospital as I was about to leave and they said he had not passed enough water, they said more like early afternoon. After that he obviously performed! But I suppose they were a priority, they needed a walk!

He can't stay indoors today, been out looking at the cattle, feeding silage, his help for tonight has arrived and his overalls went and he went out too. Tomorrow I am his help as paid help stops. 

Bowels and bladder all fine at the moment. We will see what a few weeks will bring. 

Thanks again for messages.

User
Posted 16 Jan 2015 at 09:56

How are things a week on sjtb? Hope all going well.

dl

 

 

 
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