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CHEMOTHERAPY URGENT DECISION

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Posted 27 Feb 2015 at 00:22

My name is Jo, and I am the daughter of a wonderful brave and positive man, Geoff.  Diagnosed prostrate cancer 2 days after retirement back in 2012, which had spread slightly to the hip.  Changes in Sept 2014, with spine problems and radiotherapy and a slight show of metastasis in lungs.  TURPs to help with symptoms in October 14, followed by urine infections. Put on the drug Enthalucimide along with continued injections in the stomach. After a good December and much more energy a set back of swollen right leg and kidney trauma along with reoccurring infection in January 2015.  A scan in emergency ward showed metastasis on the liver.  Severe fatigue and a return to oncology 9th Feb, to be advised it is believed the disease has progressed and because of the infections and tiredness no further treatment offered.  Due to further symptoms in legs another radiotherapy session planned same week.  Appointment for CT scan 17th Feb and a call to Oncology to give results earlier than planned meeting in mid-March.  Appointment for 24/2/15, confirmed the disease had spread.  After further discussion and due to my dads health improving and his amazing determination, chemotherapy choice reviewed on the basis that it be my dads decision, using docetaxel.  Big decision now.  Dad has spoken to our GP and MacMillan and is told that the decision needs to be made quickly a small window of opportunity.  He has dealt with the whole thing with dignity and humility and I am so proud.  Love him lots

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Posted 27 Feb 2015 at 13:44

What a lovely post in troubled times. i cannot offer any help, but wish you and your father all the best.

Paul

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Posted 27 Feb 2015 at 15:28

I have no knowledge of the treatments your Dad is dealing with, but wanted to say good luck to you all.

dave

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Posted 27 Feb 2015 at 12:05
Jo

what a rocky road for you and your Dad. From what you have told us it sounds as though your Dad has been through a lot of treatments and your medical team are now addressing what will give the best quality of life often referred to as QOL.

Chemotherapy with Docetaxel can be debilitating, but for others it can be a relativley trouble feee time.

First of all the Oncologist would not consider it if your Dad had poor pre chemo blood tests with emphasis on things like red and white blood cell count etc. As he has to be strong enough to ward off infections as much as possible. Sometimes blood transfusions (just a few units) are done to boost up the immune system and give a bit of extra help. Steroids are also used with the chemo to improve general well being.

The whole thing is very closely supervised and monitored. It does offer hope albeit of a palliative nature if your Dad feels he wants to give it a try. The other thing to bear in mind is he can stop anytime he wants to and if it really is not helping the oncologist may make that decision for you and your Dad.

Your post only just appeared at 11ish as it had been through the moderator so watch out for more replies.

Help your Dad to think it through to make a decision and in the meantime ask as many questions pre and post decision as you feel you need.

There is information on chemo within the toolkit available to download from the home page of this site if you have not already done so.

Just being there with and for your Dad is wonderful

thinking of you

xx

Mo

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Posted 27 Feb 2015 at 13:44

What a lovely post in troubled times. i cannot offer any help, but wish you and your father all the best.

Paul

Stay Calm And Carry On.
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Posted 27 Feb 2015 at 14:26

Hi Jo,

He sounds a lovely guy. I'm an ex cancer nurse specialist nurse...and I agree with Mo that they would only be offering the chemo if they felt the benefits outweighed the risks. There are side effects with Docetaxol (as with any chemo), so if your dad decides to try it, he may consider trying a cycle at a time to see how he gets on. No oncologist would make him complete the course if he began to feel very unwell with it.

It sounds like your dad is someone who would consider trying all options, as he is a determined chap. There is no right or wrong here. I wish him (and you) peace of mind once the decision is made, and he's also lucky to have such a caring daughter...

Sue x

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Posted 27 Feb 2015 at 15:09

Hi Jo,

This is such a difficult time for you and your Dad and I am afraid there are no easy answers. It does sound as if your Dad knows his own mind and therefore as others have suggested if he is up for chemo then cycle by cycle he can try it. The medics will withdraw it if his body is struggling with it. Knowing that you support whatever decision he takes will be crucial. I know from my own experience that having my children behind my decisions makes it all manageable. You are having to manage impossible alternatives and whichever route you take you are moving to the point where the options disappear. I don't say this lightly but because the reality of treatment for those of us with spread is that at some point, the treatments run out! If you sense that your Dad is ready to say enough is enough on the treatment front then your role is even greater to support him through the rest of his life, to enable him to get as much from it as he can. You may not be there yet but look to this site for support at whatever stage you reach.

Don,t forget you have support here from a variety of individuals whose common experience is this Cancer. We are all thinking of you and hope that if chemo is the choice it affords some relief. He sounds a real fighter.

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Posted 27 Feb 2015 at 15:28

I have no knowledge of the treatments your Dad is dealing with, but wanted to say good luck to you all.

dave

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Posted 27 Feb 2015 at 15:36

Hi Jo,

 

Just to re-iterate what others have posted. If your Dad goes for chemo, it will be closely supervised and it is possible to delay cycles if he reacts badly or there are other complications.  People react differently to chemo, my partner felt it was one of the easier treatments to cope with so there is no hard and fast rule. Get plenty of support for yourself at what must be a very difficult time. We are always here for you on the forum.

 

Fiona.

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Posted 27 Feb 2015 at 21:51

Jo, my understanding is that sometimes the hormone treatment can become successful again once chemo has been tried, which seems to me to be another reason to give it a try.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 28 Feb 2015 at 08:41
Hi Jo,

Just wanted to wish you and your Dad all the luck in the world, he's certainly someone who deserves it for all the strength and determination he has shown.

Best Wishes,

Steve

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Posted 15 Mar 2015 at 00:05

I am truly moved by all your kind words and advice, it is a massive support.  I haven't been on as things have been difficult.

My wonderful dad has weighed up the options and on all advice taken will give the chemotherapy a try. As soon as he made his final decision I had him straight to the GP for bloods and asked for his liver function checked.  These results were sent to Oncology and he has been advised based on these bloods he can go ahead.  We eventually received commencement date on 24/3/15 for first treatment.  After badgering Oncology we managed to bring forward to next week 19/3/15 pending his bloods are okay on the day before assessment.

He has been going to a Lymphedema clinic at our local hospice and having his leg bandaged which is noted as severe and 58% larger than the other.  This has not held dad back, and he is still getting about with this leg problem.

My mum has been in bed for 2 weeks with a flu virus which has made difficult for all especially my dad. We have been keeping them apart and seeing to them both.

Out of the blue on Tuesday dad was finding difficult to pass urine and it was blood coming out.  We phoned the Dr and in the meantime he passed a clot which then freed up the flow.  He has been given antibiotics as a precaution before the chemotherapy.  He isn't showing infection and it could be a clot from the TURPS.  He of course has anemia so we will be feeding him high iron foods (and perhaps a sneaky Guiness).

He had his hormone injection last week also.  I have not heard him complain at all throughout which is humbling what an amazing guy I am so lucky he is my dad.

He has said the worst thing to deal with is telling my mum, bless him. 

Our Oncologist is actually reducing the 1st dose just to test the water so to speak.  He will be having 10 sessions in total every 3 weeks. We have received a copy of the letter to our GP advising he is aware of side effects including neutropenic sepsis.  I have everything crossed that he has minimal side effects. 

Thank you again to all you wonderful and brave people.

Jo

 

 

 

 

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Posted 15 Mar 2015 at 05:38
hi again Jo

this is a big decision that your Dad has made, it is obvious from your posts that you love him very much indeed.

The first chemo session will also be one where a great deal of information is given to your Dad about managing any side effects and seeking any help should he need it. If the hospital will let you and providing your Mum is not still poorly it would be great if one of you could go and sit with him. Firstly to provide a hand to hold and some loving support and secondly to take some notes and try to absorb as much information as you can. Dad will be given a chemo record book make sure you understand what that is all about. Feel free to ask anything you need to on here too.

It is quite normal in your Dad's situation for the starting dose to be reduced, in some cases it is kept at the lower level throughout and in others only increased if he is tolerating it well and showing good benefits. It is a balance to try and ensure the best quality of life.

There are a few things that can help alleviate the possible side effects.

freezing some pineapple cubes and then sucking on them during chemo has helped many men avoid the taste issues and mouth soreness that can develop. using a mild antibacterial mouthwash every day can also help with that.

Others have said using a moisturising hand and foot cream and a nail cuticle nourisher helps protect nail beds and keep skin free from dryness that can cause cracking and soreness.

The steroids that are part of the chemo shold help with appetite but anaemia can become a bit of an issue, normally this is not due to a lack of iron intake it is just that the body cannot absorb it and so taking iron supplements or eating lots of spinach and high iron content foods may not help. Sometimes blood transfusions are necessary usually just a few units of blood will often help significantly.If this is needed a cross match test will be done first and then the blood infused over a few hours (about 90 mins -2 hours per unit)if it is deemed necessary it is usually done a few days before a cycle of chemo just to provide that extra lift in blood cell counts. they do provide a big lift in well being which can last for several weeks.

I wish your Dad all the very best and of course to you and your Mum too

xx

Mo

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Posted 15 Mar 2015 at 09:17

Can't add anything more to what Mo has said so am just adding my good wishes. Let us know how it goes for your dear Dad and look after yourself as much as you can.

 

Fiona. x

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Posted 15 Mar 2015 at 12:27
Hi Jo. I have my 4th chemo round Tuesday, I have taken to it well generally, I ran 21 miles this morning in three and a quarter hours. Please reassure your dad with the right attitude and a bit of luck he may not feel bad at all. If he wants to speak to me to share any of his thoughts or fears pm me and I will give you my phone number. Kev

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Posted 15 Mar 2015 at 22:09

Thank you again, all the information is a great help and support.  I promised dad when diagnosed I would be with him at his appointments and I always am, I can't imagine not being with him I would be so stressed myself.  I write everything down and check anything I don't understand.

I am concerned at present he is suffering back pain and I think it may be liver, I have watched him take extra morpheine without making a fuss.  I think deep down he thinks they may not do the chemo, due to how he is feeling.  They stopped his enthalucimide on Weds and he seems to have worsened since then.  I did ask if he could continue taking until his treatment but they would not let him.  He just seems to have set back after set back, I hate this disease.  He is an incredibly positive guy but also realistic.  Our G P said he sends out cheerfulness and you can't help being that way around him

I pray that he has a little bit of reprieve over the next couple of days.  We are at the lymphedema clinic in the morning again.

I have been passing all your lovely comments to him and it is a great comfort.  I will be using your tips to help him with his chemo, thank you.

Jo x

 

 

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Posted 16 Mar 2015 at 08:53
Jo

I hope your Dad does get to start his chemo, I hope this message will help you a little and maybe give you some hope. My Husband was really suffering badly before he had chemo he could hardly walk his legs were so weak and he was in constant pain from the mets in his spine. He was badly anaemic and was taken off all other treatments for the start of his chemo, he was given 2 units of blood 2 days before his first 70% normal dose of docetaxel chemo. He took steroids for a few days either side of his chemo and at the first session he also had a high dose antiobiotic infusion. We were in the chemo suite at our hospital for about 5 hours altogether and had a very thorough briefing from his lovely chemo nurse.

Prior to chemo Mick had been given MST (morphine tablets) but they made him sick so he was given several different pain meds with varying results until the Macmillan pain management nurse decided he should have Fentanyl patches. These worked brilliantly.

We saw a real iprovement after the first 2 cycles of chemo Mick began to walk without his sticks and even managed to drive our car for the first time in ages.

His PSA was erratic some times it went up others it came down but it never came down below his start point of 545 the main thng is that he felt the best he had since diagnosis and that continued through almost 6 months of chemo (7 cycles with a 5 week break for Xmas and the New Year after cycle 4) We had some difficulties controlling his blood sugar levels (he was a diabetic as well) but they were quickly and very successfully resolved.

During that 6 months we had several long weekends away and met up with our crazy Newark gang a couple of times socially as well. We had visitors all the time, Mick was sometimes a bit tired but generally well and happy.

What you are doing to support him is wonderful you are a fabulous loving daughter just like Mick's

keep posting and let us know how you are all getting along

xxx

Mo

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Posted 16 Mar 2015 at 21:03

Thank you Mo as always lovely positive comments which are a great support and help.

We were at the lymphedema clinic and his leg has definitely reduced in size, so I am thrilled for him, he gets his final appointment either Wednesday or Friday depending when he gets the final bandages.

The pain in his back has eased thank goodness.  With the disease being in the prostrate, hip, spine, lungs and liver it is hard to know what the problem is.  However, he had a much better day and had a little walk with the dog with me tonight.

Fingers crossed for the rest of this week.

Jo x

 

 

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Posted 17 Mar 2015 at 22:43

Hi All,

Pre-assessment tomorrow for chemotherapy.  Dad has been out and about today to the barbers, the shops and the bank, there has been no stopping him.  However, he has noticed that the left hand side of his stomach is more swollen that the right, it feels harder on the left, but it is not sore and there is no pain. Hopefully this can be sorted whatever it turns out to be.  We will mention at the lymphedema clinic in the morning and then to pre-assessment in the afternoon.

Jo x

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Posted 18 Mar 2015 at 00:30

I hope all goes well xxx

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 18 Mar 2015 at 07:54

Thank you so much Soren

Jo x

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Posted 18 Mar 2015 at 11:02
Jo

I hope all has gone well for you today, will be thinking of you

xx

Mo

 
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