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Posted 15 Mar 2015 at 22:36

Hi everyone,

Hope you have all had a good (reasonable?) weekend?http://community.prostatecanceruk.org/editors/tiny_mce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-smile.gif

Just thinking about diet for My Husband. We have been told of the wonders of pomegranate and blueberries, also cutting out dairy and trying more soya. Pete was also found to have low vitamin D which I believe goes often hand in hand with PCa, so now he has supplements and a vit D spray.

Any other tips on diet, what should he be eating and avoiding- any thing helps really.

Many thanks!

Ali x

'Sorrow looks back, worry looks around, but faith looks up'
User
Posted 16 Mar 2015 at 00:46

Order the Prostate Cancer Care Cookbook from Amazon - explains the science behind some diet changes. It is also clear on which diet changes are about preventing PCa from happening (too late for our men on here) and which are about controlling PCa once you have got it.

John only rarely has red meat these days, and no dairy at all. Garlic, onions, broccoli, oily fish are all good, along with tomatoes - especially cooked or processed tomatoes. The cookbook has lots of good recipes in it.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 17 Mar 2015 at 00:50

I have more confidence in the cookbook than Jane Plant's books because they are supported by UK prostate cancer specialists and a recognised charity that employed real scientists. Jane is a survivor but has no medical qualifications and there doesn't seem to have been any large scale research to support her theories so I bear her in mind without being evangelical about it. Life is for living, after all :-)

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 17 Mar 2015 at 20:20

" Ganmaa et al.[6] have analyzed the incidence and mortality rates of PCa in 42 countries and identified “milk + cheese” as a major risk constellation contributing to the mortality from PCa. Notably, populations with low dairy protein intake like the Inuit and Alaska native men exhibit an extremely low incidence and mortality rate of PCa [28,29]. It is alarming, that daily milk consumption in adolescence has recently been associated with a 3.2-fold risk of advanced PCa in adulthood "

[ Now regretting the daily bottle of milk at school and all the cheese sandwiches  http://community.prostatecanceruk.org/editors/tiny_mce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-yell.gif ]

from

http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/9/1/74


Plenty of useful references there to follow up if you are interested.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4286914/

And again,plenty of useful references there to follow up if you are interested.

" This study suggests that high intake of total fat and certain saturated fatty acids may worsen prostate cancer survival, particularly among men with localized disease. In contrast, high marine omega-3 fatty acid intake may improve disease-specific survival for all men."

from

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22781428/

User
Posted 20 Mar 2015 at 23:39

To blueberry or not to blueberry that is the question, if only we had the answers.

I don't really go with diet in early years playing a contribution in pca . Trevor was born in England from first generation Jamaican parents his Mum was a farm girl born and raised in Jamaica until she came to England and she cooked traditional Jamaican food so he was raised on fresh fruit, chicken , fish lots of fish, rice so really a healthy diet it was also just after the war and rationing was still in force. He has eaten a very healthy diet all of his life.

Since being diagnosed his typical add ons are blue berry's , strawberrys in fact any kind of berrys, apricots , walnuts, turmeric lots of turmeric he used to have this on his porridge he know has it on soup every day. Pomegranite juice , coconut juice, sun dried tomatoes lots of these, he snacks on these . Do any of these help ? he believes so and that is what is important .

BFN

Julie X

 

NEVER LAUGH AT A LIVE DRAGON
User
Posted 21 Mar 2015 at 11:48

This is interesting (not sure if anyone has done a link already?)

http://www.canceractive.com/cancer-active-page-link.aspx?n=3556 

User
Posted 21 Mar 2015 at 18:32

Ok, but not going until May!!

User
Posted 21 Mar 2015 at 19:42

I think Chris (exbus) took part in the trial.

I take two capsules a day. At the end of the day it's purely natural stuff.

There was something on prime time tv this week that discussed it which was encouraging.

Check out the website

Bri

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User
Posted 16 Mar 2015 at 00:46

Order the Prostate Cancer Care Cookbook from Amazon - explains the science behind some diet changes. It is also clear on which diet changes are about preventing PCa from happening (too late for our men on here) and which are about controlling PCa once you have got it.

John only rarely has red meat these days, and no dairy at all. Garlic, onions, broccoli, oily fish are all good, along with tomatoes - especially cooked or processed tomatoes. The cookbook has lots of good recipes in it.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 16 Mar 2015 at 12:56

Good points and advice from Lyn.

Good luck with it!

I find keeping my OH on track is difficult without being accused of nagging :-)

 

Ali x

User
Posted 16 Mar 2015 at 15:06

Thanks for the tip about the cookbook, Lyn. I particularly like the idea of it distinguishing between cancer prevention and damage limitation. Just to be sure, do you mean the one that says Healthy Eating on a red banner on the cover, and entitled The Prostate Care Cookbook (no "cancer" in the title)?
Marje

User
Posted 16 Mar 2015 at 16:08

Ali, other foods that are reputed to help are green tea and nuts, especially Brazil nuts. We find some soy products more palatable than others, and some contain added calcium. Tony likes the fruit or vanilla soy yoghurts, but we found the "cheese" inedible. Soy milk is fine for cooking purposes, and we now use the Pure non-dairy spread, either soy or olive variety. Tony also like the flavoured nut "milk" drinks, either as a drink or on cereal. They come sweetened or unsweetened, in almond, hazel or coconut varieties and have some calcium in them.

Marje

User
Posted 16 Mar 2015 at 16:09
Hi, like you I was diagnosed last October. I have been sent lots of articles about cumin, scorpion venom, raspberry seeds, Brazilian honey to name a few and reading the articles they all have some merit but they are all based on small studies. I asked my consultant who said vitamin D, cooked tomatoes, pommegranate juice, walnuts and then said everything else in moderation. I too have virtually stopped red meat, frying anything, reduced dairy and also drink green tea by the bucket load now.

My wife and I are enjoying a different diet with new flavours and textures, I miss cheese as I used to eat lots but still indulge now and again. Not sure if that helps but it makes sense to my mind. Enjoy! Kev

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User
Posted 16 Mar 2015 at 20:49

I can vouch for the scorpion venom...its nice in a smoothie with Cornish wolfhound testicle....sorry couldn't resist

My consultant also said cooked tomatoes and as with every other condition a healthy balanced diet. I try that but do have a liking for curry and the odd beer :(

You will note the book Lyn suggests does show recipes with food that some would class as a no no....but I agree it does have some useful info and good recipes

Bri

User
Posted 16 Mar 2015 at 23:55

Please don't tell Trevor about scorpion Venom, I  can just imagine them runing over my worktop, I have already got the blue berry juice and the yellow stains from the cumin . What colour is Scorpion venom ,? I could have a whole rainbow on there. The dogs will go Bananas.http://community.prostatecanceruk.org/editors/tiny_mce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-undecided.gif

BFN

Julie X

NEVER LAUGH AT A LIVE DRAGON
User
Posted 17 Mar 2015 at 00:50

I have more confidence in the cookbook than Jane Plant's books because they are supported by UK prostate cancer specialists and a recognised charity that employed real scientists. Jane is a survivor but has no medical qualifications and there doesn't seem to have been any large scale research to support her theories so I bear her in mind without being evangelical about it. Life is for living, after all :-)

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 17 Mar 2015 at 20:20

" Ganmaa et al.[6] have analyzed the incidence and mortality rates of PCa in 42 countries and identified “milk + cheese” as a major risk constellation contributing to the mortality from PCa. Notably, populations with low dairy protein intake like the Inuit and Alaska native men exhibit an extremely low incidence and mortality rate of PCa [28,29]. It is alarming, that daily milk consumption in adolescence has recently been associated with a 3.2-fold risk of advanced PCa in adulthood "

[ Now regretting the daily bottle of milk at school and all the cheese sandwiches  http://community.prostatecanceruk.org/editors/tiny_mce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-yell.gif ]

from

http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/9/1/74


Plenty of useful references there to follow up if you are interested.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4286914/

And again,plenty of useful references there to follow up if you are interested.

" This study suggests that high intake of total fat and certain saturated fatty acids may worsen prostate cancer survival, particularly among men with localized disease. In contrast, high marine omega-3 fatty acid intake may improve disease-specific survival for all men."

from

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22781428/

User
Posted 18 Mar 2015 at 00:02

Exactly - pretty much the prevention message coming from PCR and not quite on track with Plant's beliefs.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 18 Mar 2015 at 20:13

I rather thought it tended to back up her beliefs.

e.g. " These data strongly imply, that the increase of serum
IGF-1 concentrations by cow´s milk protein consumption may result in elevated
IGF-1-driven mTORC1 signaling, the driving mechanism promoting the initiation
and progression of PCa."

 

It is the word progression that naturally concerns many here. But also reducing risk perhaps for future generations.

 

User
Posted 18 Mar 2015 at 21:54

Hi Rob, I get that and John has no dairy. What I haven't seen is any evidence to support the complete avoidance of red meat? The research seems only to suggest reducing red meat consumption.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 19 Mar 2015 at 15:08

Neu5Gc is being suggested as a potential explanation for cause. There may be a link that will come through in time  explaining why domestic dogs and us are the only carnivorous species to get P.Ca. as it is to do with cooking methods as well. Chimps , also carnivorous don't seem to get P.Ca. and yet are closely related. They don't cook their meat. And retain the ability to cope with Neu5Gc . Apparently.

Arachidonic acid ( in animal fat ) is more to do with progression. And there are many studies published now on that angle.


http://www.pnas.org/content/112/2/542.abstract

http://www.cancerresearch.org/our-strategy-impact/people-behind-the-progress/scientists/oliver-m-pearce-exploring-the-link-between-weste

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006291X97967991

http://www.spandidos-publications.com/ijo/41/4/1495

User
Posted 19 Mar 2015 at 18:51

That takes us nicely to my absolute belief - fried meat, burnt meat, microwaved meat are all evil :-(

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 19 Mar 2015 at 20:38
All of the aforementioned aids to prevention, perhaps of a recurrance of pca after treatment, other than complete removal of the prostate, all sound good for having a healthy diet, to remain generally healthy, but prevention, not convinced. For the last 30 years I've taken omega 3 daily in cod liver oil, for 50 years I've loved tomatoes, fresh, cooked, strained and souped,I've probably eaten more oily grilled baked and smoked fish than you could find in your local lake, more chickens than you could shake a long stick at on a daily basis, not too much red meat, maybe a couple of cows and the odd pig,as if that wasn't enough, I've had plenty of vitamin D throughout some of the hottest countries the world has to offer,and as if that wasn't enough, own a home in southern Spain where, for the last 16 years we've spent at least three months each yearin the sunshine. Non of my family or close relatives as far as I am aware has ever had or suffered from cancer, yet two years ago I had my cancerous prostate removed. Why? Diet? Lifestyle? Too many tomatoes? Who knows? Maybe just bad luck, the way the cookie crumbles? Good luck to those of you eating your healthy diets, they certainly will make you look and feel better, but lm afraid there's a bit more to combating this than food. Best wishes to you all, not forgetting my mate Lynn. Diesel x
User
Posted 19 Mar 2015 at 21:51

Thanks to those who posted. 

There are certainly many theories out there and I do believe our western lifestyle, and food  inc. preparation, may contribute to long term health conditions. I will look in to some of the cook books.

I found a study a while ago which looked at the role of pomegranate on PCa and it was found to shrink tumours. Similarly, in another study (will have to look for it again!) Vitamin D was 'squirted' (!) on PCa cells in a petri dish and visibly shrunk the cells. Perhaps there is a problem not with exposure to vitamin D but absorption?

Thanks for everyone's advice. Looks like there may be two distant lymph nodes involved now..but they still can't be 100% sure apparently, so still classing it as T3c and seeing if HT makes any difference to size of nodes. 

x

'Sorrow looks back, worry looks around, but faith looks up'
User
Posted 20 Mar 2015 at 11:38

Hi, You might want to look at the report on Pomi T on the Tonight programme, last night ITV or on ITV Player.

User
Posted 20 Mar 2015 at 19:55

I cannot locate the programme that you refer to elajay.

What was the gist of it please?

I try to get my OH to drink Pomegranate juice but notice it is high in sugar and only a limited number of options where we live (small island), including Pomi T.

Alison

User
Posted 20 Mar 2015 at 20:09

Diesel,

Even following a vegetarian diet is only thought to reduce cancer risk by about half. I think for P.Ca. and some other cancers we have to look at something else that actually  triggers the problem. Some diets likely slow progression and reduce chances of getting it but is not the full picture. For us, exposure to a hormone disrupting chemical seems most likely the reason.

 

Alison,

 I had suspected lymph involvement at diagnosis but HT seemed to eradicate it according to subsequent scans.

You can order Pom tablets via the Net.

 

 

User
Posted 20 Mar 2015 at 20:25

Hi Peterandalic. Two of the guys in my local support group swear by a daily portion of Asparagus. Both have seen a fair reduction in their PSA scores. Whether a coincidence with other lifestyle changes I cannot say - but it may be worth further investigation & trial. Cheers John

User
Posted 20 Mar 2015 at 22:20

Rob, I agree some diets may well slow progression of some cancers, equally other diets may enhance progression of some cancers, our problem is knowing which ones are most likely to help or not. Its all conjecture, for me being positive, enjoying what you are doing whatever it is, not taking life too seriously ,yes, and eating a healthy diet whatever that is,because nobody REALLY knows, but if you think it helps then it probably does, just do it. Diesel.x

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User
Posted 20 Mar 2015 at 23:39

To blueberry or not to blueberry that is the question, if only we had the answers.

I don't really go with diet in early years playing a contribution in pca . Trevor was born in England from first generation Jamaican parents his Mum was a farm girl born and raised in Jamaica until she came to England and she cooked traditional Jamaican food so he was raised on fresh fruit, chicken , fish lots of fish, rice so really a healthy diet it was also just after the war and rationing was still in force. He has eaten a very healthy diet all of his life.

Since being diagnosed his typical add ons are blue berry's , strawberrys in fact any kind of berrys, apricots , walnuts, turmeric lots of turmeric he used to have this on his porridge he know has it on soup every day. Pomegranite juice , coconut juice, sun dried tomatoes lots of these, he snacks on these . Do any of these help ? he believes so and that is what is important .

BFN

Julie X

 

NEVER LAUGH AT A LIVE DRAGON
User
Posted 21 Mar 2015 at 10:04

Thanks Julie, your last sentence mirror my sentiments. Diesel. x

User
Posted 21 Mar 2015 at 11:28

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

To blueberry or not to blueberry that is the question, if only we had the answers.

 

Since being diagnosed his typical add ons are blue berry's , strawberrys in fact any kind of berrys, apricots , walnuts, turmeric lots of turmeric he used to have this on his porridge he know has it on soup every day. Pomegranite juice , coconut juice, sun dried tomatoes lots of these, he snacks on these . Do any of these help ? he believes so and that is what is important .

BFN

Julie X

 



That just about sums up my views also Julie.....

I've always eaten a healthy diet by choice....... Having been into sport all my younger years and road cycling up to a few years ago I've always been particular about my eating habits.....

My father died of metastatic prostate cancer 30 years ago at 55 years of age.
Medicine and science has moved on considerably since then.

 In my case I would guess that a genetic link would be far more significant than any food I may or may not have eaten in the past or in the future....

User
Posted 21 Mar 2015 at 11:48

This is interesting (not sure if anyone has done a link already?)

http://www.canceractive.com/cancer-active-page-link.aspx?n=3556 

User
Posted 21 Mar 2015 at 11:49

Genetic -around 5% of breast and prostate cancers
Other factors including environmental - the rest

That's what the current science is telling us :-(

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 21 Mar 2015 at 15:51

Hi, thanks sjtb for posting the link on Pomi T.  What I found interesting was :

 1 The man who developed it is an oncologist at Addenbrookes .

 

2 He looked at previous studies and took what they considered most promising and

 

3 tested it on 200 men.

 

His resullts have been encouraging so further tests will need to be done but it looks good to me and the OH.  I think we first became aware of this around the middle of last year.

 

So look at the link and maybe give it a go but you might want to check with your own oncologist first . (OH's wanted to know all supplements he was taking before treatment began .)

User
Posted 21 Mar 2015 at 16:31

I was a bit confused at the part at the bottom of the article about causing other cancers, but I think that was other supplements. I will ask about it at the OH's next check up. We go to Addenbrooke's too. I think anything is worth a go, my OH won't change his diet, he is a beef farmer, so he would not give up eating it, we eat it on average once a week. He doesn't eat lots of dairy, but I suggested he give up some of it and he won't. I told him about the Pomi-T and got a funny look!

User
Posted 21 Mar 2015 at 17:33

I will be interested to hear what your Onco says about the Pomi T please?

 

Alison

User
Posted 21 Mar 2015 at 18:32

Ok, but not going until May!!

User
Posted 21 Mar 2015 at 19:42

I think Chris (exbus) took part in the trial.

I take two capsules a day. At the end of the day it's purely natural stuff.

There was something on prime time tv this week that discussed it which was encouraging.

Check out the website

Bri

User
Posted 23 Mar 2015 at 11:24

interesting stuff, everyone. I read somewhere in a clinical study, that actually 'squirting' neat Vitamin D on PCa cells in a petri dish, visibly shrunk the cells.... so many interesting leads. It would be interesting to consider which countries have the lowest incidents of PCa and look at their food and lifestyles etc. I think China has low PCa rates for example..

'Sorrow looks back, worry looks around, but faith looks up'
User
Posted 23 Mar 2015 at 11:56

I think you are right Ali, they have the lowest Breast Cancer rates too, and are discussed in Jane Plants book. I agree with comments made earlier by Lyn and yourself ref this subject, but found Jane Plants book interesting to read in conjunction with the Pr Ca Cookbook - if you have time!

 

I should add that I have read these books - but we don't follow them completely, have just taken a few pointers. I tried to get my OH to follow strictly but was told that I was 'nagging'!! :-)

Take care

 

Alison x

 

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