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Posted 02 Jun 2015 at 14:36

Where to start?

I presented to the Urology dept. with a PSA of 5.1, I thought I was getting a biopsy that day but after a digital examination was sent back to my GP for another PSA test. This time it was 5.3 so I had a biopsy (some 2 months later). 2 Days before my appointment to get the results I was called by a nurse to arrange a bone scan and after consulting Dr Google I find there is only one reason for such a scan in a person with prostate problems so in effect I knew I had cancer before the specialist nurse informed me and I picked up on her annoyance that the cat was out the bag. Cancer had been found in all samples with a Gleason count of 7. I was scheduled for an MRI as well as the bone scan. The following week my GP called to see how I was taking the news, I have to say not well, he was able to tell me the bone scan was clear.

The MRI was some weeks later and I had appointments arranged with first the Urologist and then the Oncologist. I saw the Urologist before he had the MRI results but that didn't inhibit his keenness for surgery about which I read a considerable amount and had decided that if that option were available, if there had been no spread, that is the route to take since that cut the cancer out and read like it was a cure. A no nonsense sort of fellow I was left in no doubt I was facing temporary incontinence and permanent impotence. Robotic surgery wasn't an option in my area and in any event he preferred to “feel” his way around. I declined his offer to immediately sign me up for surgery preferring to wait until the MRI results and to first see the Oncologist.

The following week I had my first appointment with the Oncologist who with the benefit of the MRI results informed me that there had been spread and that consequently surgery was ruled out. I trusted this woman instantly, similarly no nonsense, she already had a cunning plan of hormone therapy for a year with radio therapy in a few months. I was surprised at my lack of disappointment almost as if my former preference for surgery and a “cure” did not fully appreciate the side effects. I felt relieved at having to face neither the temporary incontinence nor the permanent impotence and although the term cure was never used the words “very satisfactory outcome” were. She went into very fine detail about the treatments and possible side effects and I left with a whole set of her self prepared notes to absorb later. I felt relieved to have a plan and however bad the side effects were they can't be worse than incontinence and impotence, right?

Jury still out on that last question. During the Oncologist visit I had used the ultra stupid words “this couldn't happen at a worse time” but that was the reality. I had kept the news to myself and I seriously needed to offload. I'd went to two “support” meetings to find them both cancelled, I hadn't been to any before so therefor was not on any email list to be forewarned. I told myself it's a good thing that there was such little need for them in my area. Anyway after the preparatory two weeks of pills I had my first injection on Hogmany and my first, and so far only, hot flush that evening, it was a doosey but libation was involved and I spent the last two hours of last year sitting on a garden bench in a T-shirt. A few days later I told the biggest gossip I know and now everybody knows, that upon reflection, wasn't the best course.

Hot flushes haven't been a problem, the side effect that has is the mood swings, that's a misnomer, they aren't swings, they have been dives, there is no pendulum swing of elation, it's all downhill and that's the way until sleep comes. There are triggers and there are also no triggers, I can be set off by a charity ad on the tellie or I can be Zen like empty headed and my top lip will tremble, eyes well up and the next thing folks are moving away from me on the bus. I'm taken to dark places I didn't know I had and no matter how much I tell myself that it's the therapy doing this it simply does not help. No matter how often I tell myself this is self pity, that it is the therapy doing this to me, it does not help. There was always the thought that though it was the therapy causing it maybe it was tugging at already loose threads. The first three months of this year have easily been the worst of my life, it's like I haven't had a rational thought this year. I found it debilitating, I wouldn't inflict myself and my permanent dark cloud upon others. I became a recluse and totally unreasonably bit the heads off those who reached out to me and equally unreasonably had the most hateful thoughts about those who didn't.

My radio therapy started at the end of March, the nurses were amazing and I had weekly contact with my trusted Oncologist. I had several severe emotional bouts, one two hour weep on the bench outside the Maggie Centre but mostly I felt less inflicted if not better. I had the second injection at the sessions and had been told by two fellow sufferers in the waiting room that the second quarter was easier. I had all the side effects of the radio therapy, fatique, digestive distress, a little blistering but all those physical effects were a piece of cake compared to the hormone deficiency screwing with your emotions. My Oncologist proffered 5 mins of professional solace, my concerns were addressed and she pointed out that empathy feeds the emotional trauma, if anyone offered comfort it got worse and that I realised was so true. I started to feel better, I was in my second quarter, my daily 4 hour bus commute for 10 mins of therapy felt like I was attacking cancer for once and my PSA after week 1 was 0.6, if that were to remain consistent she would think about reducing it to only three injections with only one more. I saw her again last week, 6 weeks after radio therapy finished and she repeated that pledge though I don't yet know what the PSA taken that day was. Another MRI is scheduled for mid August to clinch the deal or not. My GP is, I hope, arranging for some CBT sessions but it's possible my cancer therapies will be over before that waiting list kicks in.

My apologies for my verbosity, reading these threads has given me great help over these months and I wanted to contribute, I wish it didn't read back as such self indulgence but I guess I'm trying to say that there is help out there, take all that your friends and family offer but definitely reach out to fellow sufferers, theirs is an informed and understanding viewpoint. I'm off out to my area's quarterly group meeting tonight.


Riddle me this

I've checked the shower drain, my bed sheets and my clothes. I know what causes my body hair loss but does anyone know where it goes?

Mike

PS Didn't post this last night, I was the only one to turn up to the meeting so I benefited from an hour long 1 to 1 with the Specialist nurse and I talked her ears off. The professionals know their stuff too.

Good fortune on your individual journeys and my gratitude for your sharing.

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Posted 02 Jun 2015 at 14:36

Where to start?

I presented to the Urology dept. with a PSA of 5.1, I thought I was getting a biopsy that day but after a digital examination was sent back to my GP for another PSA test. This time it was 5.3 so I had a biopsy (some 2 months later). 2 Days before my appointment to get the results I was called by a nurse to arrange a bone scan and after consulting Dr Google I find there is only one reason for such a scan in a person with prostate problems so in effect I knew I had cancer before the specialist nurse informed me and I picked up on her annoyance that the cat was out the bag. Cancer had been found in all samples with a Gleason count of 7. I was scheduled for an MRI as well as the bone scan. The following week my GP called to see how I was taking the news, I have to say not well, he was able to tell me the bone scan was clear.

The MRI was some weeks later and I had appointments arranged with first the Urologist and then the Oncologist. I saw the Urologist before he had the MRI results but that didn't inhibit his keenness for surgery about which I read a considerable amount and had decided that if that option were available, if there had been no spread, that is the route to take since that cut the cancer out and read like it was a cure. A no nonsense sort of fellow I was left in no doubt I was facing temporary incontinence and permanent impotence. Robotic surgery wasn't an option in my area and in any event he preferred to “feel” his way around. I declined his offer to immediately sign me up for surgery preferring to wait until the MRI results and to first see the Oncologist.

The following week I had my first appointment with the Oncologist who with the benefit of the MRI results informed me that there had been spread and that consequently surgery was ruled out. I trusted this woman instantly, similarly no nonsense, she already had a cunning plan of hormone therapy for a year with radio therapy in a few months. I was surprised at my lack of disappointment almost as if my former preference for surgery and a “cure” did not fully appreciate the side effects. I felt relieved at having to face neither the temporary incontinence nor the permanent impotence and although the term cure was never used the words “very satisfactory outcome” were. She went into very fine detail about the treatments and possible side effects and I left with a whole set of her self prepared notes to absorb later. I felt relieved to have a plan and however bad the side effects were they can't be worse than incontinence and impotence, right?

Jury still out on that last question. During the Oncologist visit I had used the ultra stupid words “this couldn't happen at a worse time” but that was the reality. I had kept the news to myself and I seriously needed to offload. I'd went to two “support” meetings to find them both cancelled, I hadn't been to any before so therefor was not on any email list to be forewarned. I told myself it's a good thing that there was such little need for them in my area. Anyway after the preparatory two weeks of pills I had my first injection on Hogmany and my first, and so far only, hot flush that evening, it was a doosey but libation was involved and I spent the last two hours of last year sitting on a garden bench in a T-shirt. A few days later I told the biggest gossip I know and now everybody knows, that upon reflection, wasn't the best course.

Hot flushes haven't been a problem, the side effect that has is the mood swings, that's a misnomer, they aren't swings, they have been dives, there is no pendulum swing of elation, it's all downhill and that's the way until sleep comes. There are triggers and there are also no triggers, I can be set off by a charity ad on the tellie or I can be Zen like empty headed and my top lip will tremble, eyes well up and the next thing folks are moving away from me on the bus. I'm taken to dark places I didn't know I had and no matter how much I tell myself that it's the therapy doing this it simply does not help. No matter how often I tell myself this is self pity, that it is the therapy doing this to me, it does not help. There was always the thought that though it was the therapy causing it maybe it was tugging at already loose threads. The first three months of this year have easily been the worst of my life, it's like I haven't had a rational thought this year. I found it debilitating, I wouldn't inflict myself and my permanent dark cloud upon others. I became a recluse and totally unreasonably bit the heads off those who reached out to me and equally unreasonably had the most hateful thoughts about those who didn't.

My radio therapy started at the end of March, the nurses were amazing and I had weekly contact with my trusted Oncologist. I had several severe emotional bouts, one two hour weep on the bench outside the Maggie Centre but mostly I felt less inflicted if not better. I had the second injection at the sessions and had been told by two fellow sufferers in the waiting room that the second quarter was easier. I had all the side effects of the radio therapy, fatique, digestive distress, a little blistering but all those physical effects were a piece of cake compared to the hormone deficiency screwing with your emotions. My Oncologist proffered 5 mins of professional solace, my concerns were addressed and she pointed out that empathy feeds the emotional trauma, if anyone offered comfort it got worse and that I realised was so true. I started to feel better, I was in my second quarter, my daily 4 hour bus commute for 10 mins of therapy felt like I was attacking cancer for once and my PSA after week 1 was 0.6, if that were to remain consistent she would think about reducing it to only three injections with only one more. I saw her again last week, 6 weeks after radio therapy finished and she repeated that pledge though I don't yet know what the PSA taken that day was. Another MRI is scheduled for mid August to clinch the deal or not. My GP is, I hope, arranging for some CBT sessions but it's possible my cancer therapies will be over before that waiting list kicks in.

My apologies for my verbosity, reading these threads has given me great help over these months and I wanted to contribute, I wish it didn't read back as such self indulgence but I guess I'm trying to say that there is help out there, take all that your friends and family offer but definitely reach out to fellow sufferers, theirs is an informed and understanding viewpoint. I'm off out to my area's quarterly group meeting tonight.


Riddle me this

I've checked the shower drain, my bed sheets and my clothes. I know what causes my body hair loss but does anyone know where it goes?

Mike

PS Didn't post this last night, I was the only one to turn up to the meeting so I benefited from an hour long 1 to 1 with the Specialist nurse and I talked her ears off. The professionals know their stuff too.

Good fortune on your individual journeys and my gratitude for your sharing.

User
Posted 04 Jun 2015 at 23:42

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

Hi Mike - I'm on the same regime as you, I think with the same (excellent) Oncologist. Not sure if you were at a support group in Perth, but there's one at Dundee Maggies, first Tuesday of the month, 6pm., well attended.

All the best, Hugh.

 

I was at Tuesday's meeting, Adele, the speaker was the lovely lady I had the 1 to 1 with on Monday, I think she drove all the way from the other side of Glasgow because without leaving a name I'd phoned that afternoon to check it was on and knowing the local organisers were on holiday she wasn't prepared to have someone turn up to a scheduled meeting to be the only attendee which indeed I was (also in Dec & March when they were cancelled). To then learn she did so and spoke at Perth on Tuesday whilst she was on annual leave quite blew me away. I can't believe the funding for her position is even in question. I'm also meeting Alister for coffee tomorrow. i;ll be relying on the Perth Group for support from now on, it's really a good thing that Crieff doesn't have the numbers to sustain it's own group.

From your profile I see I finished RT 2 weeks before you started but yes the staff at 9wells were wonderful even if they wouldn't let me take a selfie as they were whipping my gegs down.

hope to catch up with you at Sept meeting.

Edited by member 05 Jun 2015 at 00:03  | Reason: Not specified

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Posted 02 Jun 2015 at 20:48
Hi Mike

Thanks for your honest post, my husband had his first hormone injection today and after 2 more he will have 5 weeks radiotherapy followed by brachytherapy and 6 more months of hormones (9 in total). Your post now gives me an insight of what to look for and how he may possibly be feeling, as he won't necessarily tell me!

All the best

Maureen

"You're braver than you believe, stronger than you seem and smarter than you think." A A Milne
User
Posted 02 Jun 2015 at 20:56
Hi Mike

Thank you for your very interesting insight, especially the bit about empathy, how true that is. You seem like you are on the road upwards now and that's so good to read. A cancer diagnosis is devastating regardless of how it turns out, your life is changed forever. The one to one you had is something that anyone who wants it should get, it's very personal, this cancer and the impacts are very personal too.

Keep us informed of how you get on Mike, and welcome.

Kind regards

Allison

User
Posted 02 Jun 2015 at 22:02

Hi Mike,

Thank you so much for sharing that,  it was a very honest description of how a diagnosis can affect us all. Welcome and keep posting.

BFN

Julie X

NEVER LAUGH AT A LIVE DRAGON
User
Posted 02 Jun 2015 at 22:43

Brilliant post Mike and very informative for the men going through the same thing.

It might have read back to you as self indulgence but to me it was a man's honest view of his experience, and for another going or due to go through the same it can only help.

Re: where does the hair go - the fairies come at night and make pillows out of it !!

We can't control the winds - but we can adjust our sails
User
Posted 02 Jun 2015 at 23:42
Mike

Great first post, thanks for sharing your experiences. HT can do some very odd things with lots of variations man to man. Like the cancer diagnosis isn't enough for one person to deal with!

Sounds like you have found a coping strategy that is working well for you.

I like the idea of Sandra ' s about the hair but I think you will find that the growth is suppressed as well so that which falls out goes to the fairies for pillows and then it just doesn't grow back until HT stops.

Keep posting

Xx

Mo

User
Posted 03 Jun 2015 at 05:21

hi Mike,

Very informative post which will surely help others.

Hope the regime continues to work for you.

dave

All we can do - is do all that we can.

So, do all you can to help yourself, then make the best of your time. :-)

I am the statistic.

User
Posted 03 Jun 2015 at 13:14

Excellent post Mike,

I can identify with your experience -  I am on HT (with RT) and much of what you say I have experienced.

You might be able to get CBT quicker if you ask your Oncologist - to get it through a GP takes a long time I gather.

Martyn 

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Posted 04 Jun 2015 at 12:50

Thanks for the kind words folks.

 

Maureen

Just in case you may pay heed to my warning (bucking a trend set by almost every other woman on the planet, I think they had a meeting) of empathy feeding the emotional trauma may I suggest forewarning hubby that your not offering comfort is not you being callously indifferent. Until my oncologist pointed it out I hadn't grasped that empathy had the opposite of the desired effect. It's natural to want to console an emotionally upset person but what he will want is to regain his composure, since he may only be aware of whatever triggered the episode and not the cause there is no real rational action/words on your part that will achieve that. I've noticed that the professionals, who obviously will be more aloof than a spouse, when faced with weepy patient simply sit back and patiently wait for him (well me, there is no clearer trigger than having to talk about the problem) to compose himself without any expectation of an explanation. You can offer empathy or he can regain composure but not both. Forewarned he can tell you when he'd prefer a wee cuddle over composure.

Good luck to you both.

Edited by member 04 Jun 2015 at 13:09  | Reason: Not specified

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Posted 04 Jun 2015 at 20:24

Hi Mike - I'm on the same regime as you, I think with the same (excellent) Oncologist. Not sure if you were at a support group in Perth, but there's one at Dundee Maggies, first Tuesday of the month, 6pm., well attended.

All the best, Hugh.

User
Posted 04 Jun 2015 at 21:58
Mike

I did identify with your comment on empathy as Steve had a heart attack 5 years ago and I remember (not fondly) a fierce screaming match when words were said that couldn't be taken back. Having seen how illness and the following recovery can affect a loved one I am trying to prepare myself for any fallout!

I shall set myself a very low limit on the number of "are you ok", "how are you feeling" and "is there anything I can do for you" etc each day. Anyway now that our house will consist of a menopausal woman, a highly strung teenage girl (exam time) and a hormonal man it'll be everyone for themselves!!! 😉

I hope you don't wait too long for your CBT, and thanks for the post.

Maureen

"You're braver than you believe, stronger than you seem and smarter than you think." A A Milne
User
Posted 04 Jun 2015 at 23:42

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

Hi Mike - I'm on the same regime as you, I think with the same (excellent) Oncologist. Not sure if you were at a support group in Perth, but there's one at Dundee Maggies, first Tuesday of the month, 6pm., well attended.

All the best, Hugh.

 

I was at Tuesday's meeting, Adele, the speaker was the lovely lady I had the 1 to 1 with on Monday, I think she drove all the way from the other side of Glasgow because without leaving a name I'd phoned that afternoon to check it was on and knowing the local organisers were on holiday she wasn't prepared to have someone turn up to a scheduled meeting to be the only attendee which indeed I was (also in Dec & March when they were cancelled). To then learn she did so and spoke at Perth on Tuesday whilst she was on annual leave quite blew me away. I can't believe the funding for her position is even in question. I'm also meeting Alister for coffee tomorrow. i;ll be relying on the Perth Group for support from now on, it's really a good thing that Crieff doesn't have the numbers to sustain it's own group.

From your profile I see I finished RT 2 weeks before you started but yes the staff at 9wells were wonderful even if they wouldn't let me take a selfie as they were whipping my gegs down.

hope to catch up with you at Sept meeting.

Edited by member 05 Jun 2015 at 00:03  | Reason: Not specified

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Posted 05 Jun 2015 at 05:12

talking of HT dont know if this is normal or classed as mood swing, had my first Prosap jab tother week, yesterday (thursday) and this morning feel like mr buzz, driving rlass nuts, or is it just me

nidge

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Posted 30 Sep 2015 at 21:00

OK today was the day I was to receive my fourth hit of Decapeptyl but the good news is that my Onco has agreed that the last injection can be dispensed with. This follows an MRI revealing “no remaining disease”, a PSA reading as “undetectable” and a “normal “ DRE. All in 9 months not 12.

I've made it to the end of the HT, for all my moaning I can now attest to its efficacy (with the RT) and from tomorrow its unwanted effects will wane and some semblance of normality can return.

My relief is tempered by the knowledge that not everyone gets good news like this, to me this is a victory of hope over merit, I'd wish this outcome for all of you.

User
Posted 01 Oct 2015 at 11:02

YAY!!
So pleased for you Mike.

It's lovely to see good news and will be a real boost for those starting that HT journey.

Every day is further away from the dreaded side effects so every day is the start of the new you!!

Best wishes

Sandra

Edited by member 01 Oct 2015 at 19:55  | Reason: Not specified

We can't control the winds - but we can adjust our sails
User
Posted 01 Oct 2015 at 11:34
Excellent news Mike 😀

Maureen

"You're braver than you believe, stronger than you seem and smarter than you think." A A Milne
User
Posted 01 Oct 2015 at 15:37
Hi mike

This is brilliant news, it's lovely to hear that the radiotherapy along side the ht has had such a good effect for you. Hope the remaining side effects don't take too long to subside. Bob is just under 2 weeks post his radiotherapy finishing and he is feeling much improved now.

Lesley

User
Posted 01 Oct 2015 at 15:42

Hi Mike
Having just started HT and beginning RT in January this is great news and encouraging for me and others . All the very best , so pleased for you
Chris

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Posted 02 Oct 2015 at 03:10

Thanks folks, as much as the HT was problematic for me the HT/RT was effective, one never knows that at the outset or during the therapies but the successful outcome, well, that's what we all wish for and it makes what we go through worthwhile.

I acknowledge the debt I owe this forum and it's wonderful contributors, I am in awe of your strengths, integrity and forebeance, Without you all, well, I don't want to think about that. Thank you. But hey, I ain't going anywhere, apparently I have to wait another 9 years.

 
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