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Posted 19 Apr 2016 at 23:03

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

Aah. I may have got that wrong? Won't be the first or last time I have made an error. Consultant I took as one of The Misters that stroll about as if they own the places, in white coats. I have had less than satisfactory experiences with them.

Allowing for the fact that he might not be a demi-god that delegates morning functiosn, the majority of my opinion stands, until and unless further corrected.

atb

dave

A demi-god in a vacuum :-)

I think you probably assumed correctly - I simply couldn't believe that someone properly qualified could be so bleurgh

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User

Posted 19 Apr 2016 at 23:16

Walnut, if you get the Esteem it comes with a DVD which includes some really important info. The GP would need to order the pump plus an additional bag of assorted rings, which has its own prescription code. It isn't something you can measure - once you get used to using the pump you then move on to trying smaller and smaller rings until you find one that is tight enough. It takes practice and a lot of guts to go down the sizes! Quite a lot of men need to wear two rings, hence the mixed bag is useful. They don't wear out that quickly though. We ended up with Farnhurst rings because the combo worked better - it is a real fiddle to use one make of rings with a different pump though and not to be recommended if you can avoid it.

Chris mentions the different tube sizes for the Soma. The Esteem comes with one tube - one size fits all :-) Quite different in design although they all do pretty much as well as each other I think.

Definitely do not opt for the Classic! Your arms will fall off.

As far as I know, you can get a bag of assorted rings for the Soma as well. Remind the GP to put an extra tube of the manufacturer's lube on the prescription while he is at it ... it gets quite expensive once you are buying your own.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 20 Apr 2016 at 07:30

I was prescribed the Rapport Premier, It comes with about 9 different sized rings- I use the largest one for daily practice and one of the much smaller ones for a longer lasting erection.

It avoids the need for precise sizing and comes with a DVD, it is really pretty simple to use, but does take a bit of practice to get slick.

http://www.owenmumford.com/en/patients-product/rapport/

Cheers RD

User

Posted 20 Apr 2016 at 09:24

I am getting the Somaerect ll and will take all comments onboard but sometimes there seems to be a battle about who or what is right so it will be a trial of errors for me.

What works for one may not necessarily work for the other!!

Chris/Woody

Life seems different upside down, take another viewpoint

User

Posted 20 Apr 2016 at 09:56

Which ever one you get read the instructions and watch the video. On my first attempt I got a testicle inside the ring quite painful is an understatement and the normal rings do not come off easily. The OH finished up cutting the ring off with a pair of scissors.

My Sommaerect came with some quick release once only use rings, if you hold them in the wrong place while stretching over the tube they rip.

Thanks Chris

User

Posted 20 Apr 2016 at 12:27

Hi, Walnut.
At today's meeting with the CNS for erectile function the pump she was talking about was the somaerect. www.iMEDicare.co.uk makes quite a lot of the importance of getting the right size ring. The way it works here is that I would go to a separate Wellman Clinic to be shown how to use it. (I'll do an update about today's consultation later ...)
I shall try to investigate all this on the internet this afternoon, but the curtain hangers are in!
All the best,
Henry

User

Posted 20 Apr 2016 at 12:56

Very happy with my Somaerect. The rings supplied in the lovely case are totally outdated and the demo nurse prescribed these superb new X Y Z rings. To be honest I only use the rings if I want to masturbate ( buy a Tenga egg - the nearest thing to real sex ) otherwise it is just for daily exercise where I get him erect , deflate , re-erect etc. Good luck

User

Posted 20 Apr 2016 at 14:07

Sounds like I had the same kit as CJ.

Somaerect 15019 was the pump and some rings of varying sizes.
Somaerect 15222 size y were 3 additional rings.

It was explained how to use it and I was given a detailed instruction sheet but never had an actual practical demo.

ED consultant made the recommendation and a rep from imedicare was in clinic, he did all the paperwork to give to the GP.

Thanks Chris

User

Posted 20 Apr 2016 at 17:14

I never thought I'd be joining in this conversation but here I am. Just back from the hospital having seen the 2 reps ( 1 was training ) from Imedicare.

Door locked and off we went. Discussed my PCa history and they we're pleased I'm on Cialis too, as it helps to make use of the pump more effective apparently.
It was the dropping my trousers and underwear that got me. Standing there with clothes around my ankles , shoes on and the device held around my middle parts.I started laughing and they joined in too. It was the same room that I had my biopsy in and I showed them where I clung on for dear life to the bars at the side of the bed during that procedure. Well ,where else do you place your hands ? They had another laughing fit and wanted me to demonstrate that but I declined.

I've been prescribed Somaerect II and the Y x3 size constriction rings. I was able to take the Prescription Advice form directly to my surgery and hopefully it'll be available by Friday for onward transfer to the Pharmacist. Annoyingly I'm away on holiday from Monday , so I guess it will be in the early part of May before I can use it. It'll be a nice gift to return home to as I approach my 59th birthday around then !

They were also recommending Viberect as well but that would be at my own cost . Has anyone had experience of this? It looked good as they demonstrated it.

John

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Posted 20 Apr 2016 at 18:17

Hi John
Sounds very much the same experience I had in clinic with iMedicare. But more difficult because it was actually a beautiful young very curvy blonde running the show. Most embarrassing but strangely funny ( you have to laugh heh ). I ended up with three Y rings. She said they perfect for nearly everyone , as is the response 2 pump which fits everybody except for the 'big boys ' out there ! I love it's ease of operation. I keep ' beard trimmed ' down below all the time now which is ample , and I don't use lube at all. I hate it , it's messy and turns claggy. I just wash in warm water at the sink , leave him nice and soapy , dry my hands and then sit on the bed for 15 minutes. Either that or have a face shave at the same time because my sink is the perfect height - who said men can't multi task ? I hope things work out good for you
Chris

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User

Posted 20 Apr 2016 at 19:01

Hi John I have my pump from chemist today (have PM'd you) will be seeing rep from pump firm on 6th May not sure wether to try pump beforehand or not. What do you reckon?

Already took the Cialis too.

Stand back and wait ( light blue touch paper etc etc)

Regards Chris/Woody

Life seems different upside down, take another viewpoint

User

Posted 20 Apr 2016 at 19:27

Chris and Chris , thanks for your replies.

Chris J , I can see what you mean about the lube. I ended up using nearly all the paper towels they gave me. I can see it become annoying but I'll give it a go and see how it is for me . I was told that standing up is the best way to use the device , with the tube pointed down at a slight angle. Lying down apparently is not as effective but I guess it'll be trial and error.
Yes I'll be trimming down below now. I have a beard so when I trim up top I'll have to remember to trim below as well !
I liked immediate ease of operation as well. So simple and smooth. It was really good to see my fella returning to normal again. The reps could sense how I felt and they said that was one of the best parts of the job - customer satisfaction !

Chris PB , were you given any instructions with the pump? You don't want to get into bad habits re usage. I'm now glad I was shown how to use it before I will have it and can see why the hospital wanted me to have the demo first. The application of the 2 constriction rings looks fun to master.
As you know I started this ed lark at the end of Jan and here we are towards the end of April . I have no pump yet, but you see your uro nurse , what a week ago and here you are , already to pump ! Is there no justice ??? But I am ahead of you re Cialis but you do have the lower Psa level though !

It seems that the reps see far more RP patients than HT/RT patients. They were interested in my RT tattoos , when I asked why , I was told we only see a handful of RT /HT patients each year, we find them fascinating !
If it hadn't been for this site then I wouldn't had done anything about this. And Chris PB , I think you'd say the same. How more have been overlooked like us ?

But it was a good day with something positive.and plenty of laughs along the way . Just need the actual prescription now .

Thanks

John

User

Posted 20 Apr 2016 at 19:40

Yes John
Standing gives far superior results and a better erection , especially if you are going to use a band pre sex. I'm just getting lazy ........

User

Posted 20 Apr 2016 at 20:07

Well a good day all round then, But Surr, why aren't you taking the pump on holiday with you? As long as it is in the checked-in luggage you will be fine. Ours has been on every holiday with us - good job we don't have to book her a seat of her own :-)

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User

Posted 20 Apr 2016 at 20:26

Lyn,

If I can I will , but it depends on how soon it's available. Surgery indicated prescription might not be ready before 2.00 pm Friday (!) , and then I have to go the chemist for it to be ordered. We go away on Monday so I doubt it'd be available by then . Otherwise it would be coming with me.
However I can be an impatient sod , so I'm going to call the surgery tomorrow afternoon to see if the prescription's ready.

Thanks ,

John

User

Posted 20 Apr 2016 at 20:32

:-0

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User

Posted 20 Apr 2016 at 20:39

John the reps will be seeing one more HT/RT patient on 6th and I will be banging our drum as I agree we get overlooked, hope there are some mor in the same boat that will push for help in ed department. Just like you, I was not given advice re ed and it is only what is learnt here that has helped to realise that it is worth pushing for help even though our situation may only be temporary, two three or four years depending on how long it takes to get rid of HT from our bodies.

We still need to keep the blood flowing while we have no libido guys get the support that is there when/ if you ask.

Shame that nothing is said at various stages of consultation to keep us informed.

Here's to life on the up(hopefully)

Chris/Woody

Life seems different upside down, take another viewpoint

User

Posted 20 Apr 2016 at 22:23

Chris,

The reps said they'd been to the adjacent RT centre at the hospital this morning. Hopefully they were able to get a message across there to help patients like us.

However as you know being on HT, with the immediate loss of libido and the rigours of RT meant for me at least, that seeking ED help was the last thing on my mind then. I had enough to contend with, getting over fatigue and returning to work. It's only been in the last 4-5 months ( probably as I joined this site) and speaking to a RP friend that I thought about doing something.

But if by posting here it helps others regarding this, then surely this is one of the reasons for this site existing. I would say though that last year I more or less bypassed any post on ED.
This was because the dangers of penile atrophy had not been spelt out to me and I thought that these posts had no real relevance to my situation. How wrong I was.
All I had been told was that by going on HT I would lose interest in sex. Nothing more.

I did post about ED - first visit to GP and Penile Rehab as separate posts in January , partly after my initial consultation with my GP about ED. She had just been on a course run by PCUK the previous week. She wants ALL patients to be aware of atrophy. To date about 3-400 people have viewed them, hopefully some men will have taken action. She was horrified that I'd been overlooked.

Keep pumping and taking your twice weekly tablets. Me ? I'm a daily man .

Keep well

John

User

Posted 20 Apr 2016 at 22:46

Surr,

The viberect is an expensive bit of kit.

I looked at the study they quote and basically they got a bunch of young lads to try it out and found that some could orgasm with it.

That is not to say that it might help but there is no evidence.

I looked at this and then settled for the much cheaper Hot Octopus plus which can be used flaccid and also has a remote for your partner so can be used by both of you simultaneously.

http://www.hotoctopuss.com/buy-pulse-now/

It's less than half the price of the viberect (Shop around for the best price mine was about £80) and it takes a lot of the elbow work out of achieving an orgasm, I haven't achieved one using solely the device but am getting nearer and it is good fun to use- no hands needed and you can lay down in bed whilst the other half reads her book club book.

(PS I've no connexion to the company)

No one has mentioned the Rapport Premium here - has anyone else got one ?

There seem to be an awful lot of reps around demonstrating their firms bit of kit.

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User

Posted 21 Apr 2016 at 06:35

RD,

Thanks for the info . I shall look into this, as you say it's much cheaper than the Vibererect ( quoted about £170 ex vat as PCa patient) . I must say that the Viberect looked really good though but if there are cheaper but just as effective options around then it all be worth an investigation.

Cheers,

John

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