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Can exercise cure Prostate Cancer!

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Posted 08 Jan 2016 at 01:20

Unless there is a reason why you should not do so, reasonable exercise is good anyway for a number of reasons not least if you suffer from arthritis as so many do but are not all aware they have it. So likely to benefit men if it does not help prevent/delay PCa and therefore worth exploring. I have always played various sports and was very active right up to my diagnosis including playing short tennis and other things at a leisure center twice a week. So it did not stop me getting PCa (although it may have slowed process possibly?) Hope study shows it does help stave off PCa for some men.

Barry
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Posted 08 Jan 2016 at 02:58

Hi Guys,

I love this thread, lots of exciting issues, research, and perceptions etc, a few more thoughts you might like.

FACT 1 : Let us start with the widely accepted fact that for PCa the number one risk factor is family history: 

Both of my grandfathers died of prostate cancer, or in one case 'blocked water' as it was known in those days.

However both lived well into their 80's.

I am fortunate to have memories of both of them who were alive during my childhood, they both drank, smoked and enjoyed life with a marvelous joi de vie I seek to emulate.

One was an engine driver in the days of steam, (LM&S) so lots of coal, steam, oil and soot in his envirornment.

The other was a gents hairdresser, so again lots of brilliantine and oils on his hands, he also served in the first world war, I have marvelous photos of his advanced regimental barber shop, it seems that in those days it was considered important to set up a barbers shop in a bell tent just behind the front line, so those guys going over the top would all meet their maker with a neat 'short back and sides'.

So to round up this rambble, they were both exposed to hazardous substances, like engine oil, smoke, alcohol etc, but they both lived to a ripe old age.

My father died in his 70's, from heart/cardio issues.  Which raises the question, did he have PCa?  Well it was never diagnosed, but with all of the heart isssues he maybe never noticed.

Certainlly my father, grandfathers all rode push bike, as indeed did I in my youth, I would ride for miles.  

But to put this into context, both my grandfathers had strong hearts, lungs and livers which outlasted their prostate glands, my father didn't.

ISSUE 2 : DOES EXERCISE HELP?

All of my predecessors led lives that were physically more active than mine, but PCa got most of them in the end?

At the time I had my first bout of radiotherapy, my Radiology Consultant (No Names on this website) was undertaking a research project.  He found that patients who got on with life and followed his instructions about taking regular exercise while receiving radiotherapy reported far less side effects than those who felt sorry for themselves and 'hid under a duvet'.

Now that suggests two alternative interpretations, firstly it might be the case that regular exercise, taken during radiotherapy, really does help and reduces the actual side effects.  OR and it is a big OR, those blokes who can actually be bothered to take extra exercise, are intrinsically more possitive, feel better about themselves, and are accordingly likely to make light of any side effects, comparered with those negative so ad so's who hide under the duvet?

So basically I haven't got a bloody clue?

But I know one thing, possitive thinking is beneficial, on the one hand it might be that enthusiastically following a reccomended regime of exercise might really minimise side effects, alternativelly it might be that the possitive frame of minf makes light of the side effects?

So in conclussion I know that at this time of year it isn't easy, on a cold, wet rainy day, it isn't easy to go out for a run, jog, walk or bike ride.  But I know that whenever I do I always feel better about myself and the PCa seems less of a problem. 

:)

Dave

Edited by member 08 Jan 2016 at 02:59  | Reason: Not specified

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Posted 08 Jan 2016 at 07:32

My colleague at work has applied to take part in this trial...However I wouldn't for one minute think the researchers believe it will help every man. A bit like the smoker. We all know old people who smoke and haven't had a days illness....ask them where all there old friends are who led the same lifestyle.

At the end of the day without research there are lots on here who actually wouldn't be here

Bri

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Posted 08 Jan 2016 at 12:13

I think the issue is not whether research is useful or not, it is the manner in which it is conducted that is the problem. The trial is a pre-evaluation of whether exercise can help to reduce the rate of development of prostate cancer and is another example of a "scatter gun" approach to finding factors that may be of help. I read the description of the trial on the Cancer Research website, and was a bit worried. 50 men will be recruited, of whom 25 will be put on a supervised exercise programme, and 25 on a specified, but not supervised programme. Men aged between 50 and (I think) 70 will be included. That in itself is a pretty small sample size, and does not mention consistency in other factors that could influence prostate cancer growth - how aggressive the cancer is, genetic background, ethnicity, height, weight, starting level of fitness, diet (and the recently reported factor of the regularity of ejaculation) etc etc. And on top of this, there is no mention of a control group who just get on with life.

Personally, I have had experience of the effects of two of these "scatter gun" approaches. One is the well-known pelvic floor exercise to reduce incontinence mantra. If men do pelvic floor exercises and their incontinence after prostate removal is reduced or goes away, then the PFEs are cited as the reason, but would they have improved without them? Who can possibly know? For me, PFEs did not work, or have any noticeable effect at all, therefore, using the same logic, they are at best an irrelevance.

The second experience concerned testosterone replacement therapy. In 2014, I had a truly miserable time with almost continuous colds, coughs and chest infections, and eventually was diagnosed as having testosterone levels very close to zero. (and no, I have never been on hormone therapy). Despite having five years of unmeasurable PSA, I had to have a massive argument with the endocrinology specialists before being allowed to have TRT. Their assertion that TRT could bump up PSA and possibly restart prostate cancer elsewhere in my body was based on research that was about 60 years out of date, with a minimal sample size, and they took no notice of 15 years worth of subsequent published research debunking the relationship between testosterone and the resurgence of prostate cancer after prostate removal.

Concentration of attention on researching the fundamental clinical causes of prostate, and other cancers will, eventually, yield firm results, and from these results, other factors, even such as exercise regimes, may be identified as contributing factors. My problem is with research done the other way round and being treated as definitive.

Tony

TURP then LRP in 2009/2010. Lots of leakage but PSA < 0.1 AMS-800 Artificial Sphincter activated 2015.

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Posted 08 Jan 2016 at 14:32

A number of years before being diagnosed with PCa I asked my GP about TRT and had one lot but decided not to continue for reasons I will withhold. However, following my PCa diagnosis and 8 months of HT and RT, about 2 years later when my PSA was 0.05, I asked my treating hospital in Germany for an opinion on whether it was a good idea for TRT as my Testosterone level was quite low. The answer was that it was inadvisable although I still had a prostate and maybe this would affect the thinking. This would have been about 6 years ago (I posted this on the forum at the time), so the opinion is not confined to the UK.

As regards exercise, I did continue to play short tennis whilst on HT and after RT but due to fatigue had to sit out some of the games. So exercise has not stopped my cancer cells requiring further treatment but as we know it's much more complicated to extrapolate.

Barry
 
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