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Does the lack of ejaculation contribute to start of prostate cancer

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Posted 31 Jan 2016 at 11:18
Hello

My father died of prostate cancer 6 yrs ago aged 79.

Now when he was in his fifties he was put on a drug that reduced his blood pressure, unfortunately this contributed to the fact he could no longer get an erection there for no ejacultion!

Now for quite sometime I have developed the theory that if you are not emptying your prostate of semen, the said semen must sit there rotting, I assume the body will be absorbing it back into the body, but does it?

So if anybody would like to share if you had or have prostate cancer what your ejaculation levels were like say 5-10 years before getting the cancer, I would be very interested.

regards Andy

PS I'm not a Doctor,

just trying to connect the dots!

User
Posted 01 Feb 2016 at 09:30

I'm following this conversation because it interests me and your post does RT.

I must have remembered the bit about the body re-absorbing the semen from when we were given advice before John's vasectomy over 40 years ago (I can't remember what happened yesterday but 40+ years - no trouble) !

Now of course, he's had prostate cancer. Did it cause it. ? Who knows. Without Andy's question I wouldn't have given it another thought

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Posted 01 Feb 2016 at 20:44
Ok so I have tried to stay away from this thread, obviously our sex education in this country is at the best severely lacking and at the worst failing miserably.

Not a lot of people know this but I am a dog breeder😎So the understanding of how when and why egg meets sperm is pretty fundamental . So here we go, Male dogs exactly like humans have a prostate ( and also suffer from PCa) sadly they were only blessed with paws , so no wet dreams and no DIY 😛 They are only stimulated by the scent of the female in season ( this is her egg production time and the only time when she is Horney and would allow , or be up for it) the rest of the time she would bite his head off .

Stay with me here so fully entire male stud dogs probably only get to mate a b**** around 6 / 7 times per year😰 And that's on a good year. The average is probably 4/5 times per year.

So are they storing up rotten sperm nooooo inert sperm sits in the epididymis ( this is where it goes from being inert to mature sperm) if it is not used or ejaculated then it is reabsorbed like saliva back into the body , we don't fill up with rotten saliva , sperm is reabsorbed the same way.

I have just explained this to my boy dogs and wow they are so relieved , bless they thought they were going to explode with retained semen 😜 I told Them just have a Bonoi and you will be fine.🤗

BFN

Julie X

NEVER LAUGH AT A LIVE DRAGON
User
Posted 01 Feb 2016 at 21:20

Just ruined a nice skirt with splurted tea - thanks Julie

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User
Posted 02 Feb 2016 at 22:25

There could be a confusion about cause and effect here. Having "dry" ejaculations is apparently a symptom -but not cause - of prostate cancer. We wish we had known this earlier, so it's worth mentioning here.

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Posted 31 Jan 2016 at 12:54

Hello Andy and welcome to the site.

I do not know whether lack of ejaculation causes the semen to sit and "rot" but personally I'd have said the body was pretty good at sorting out the re-absorbtion of unwanted semen but the, like you I'm not a doctor.

Just wondering though what makes you assume that if he had no erections he wasn't ejaculating. Did you discuss this or is it your assumption.
If you are assuming that your supposition is correct then there would possibly be many men presenting with PC because they never ejaculate (celibates for a start) so I can't believe that is right (but I'm sure somebody will correct me if I'm wrong)

There will be men on here who will tell you that you do not have to have an erection to ejaculate.

I would be interested in the answers that others will give so will follow your post.

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Posted 31 Jan 2016 at 13:03

Ive read many times since diagnosis that regular ejaculation helps prevent prostate disease. Well I was a bachelor until I was 42 and spent a lot of time ejaculating but it didn't prevent me from getting a nasty cancer !! I think it is sound advice though ? I didn't realise I could successfully reach orgasm without an erection until I joined this site , so it's possible your dad was still purging.
Chris

If life gives you lemons , then make lemonade

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Posted 31 Jan 2016 at 14:17

Asp, the most likely cause of your dad getting prostate cancer was being a man. 70% of men in their 70s and 80% of men in their 80s will have PCa although for most of these, there will be no symptoms, it may never cause them any problems and in some cases will never be diagnosed.

Having said that, there is some new research that suggests ejaculating frequently makes PCa less likely. But so does eating lots of cooked tomatoes, garlic, onions and sardines and yet a man who does all the right things might still get it.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 31 Jan 2016 at 21:01
Andy

Don't think I had any rotting semen. The amount of semen ejaculated diminished in the years to DX, I assume due to the prostate not being as efficient or damaged.

Thanks Chris

User
Posted 01 Feb 2016 at 09:30

I'm following this conversation because it interests me and your post does RT.

I must have remembered the bit about the body re-absorbing the semen from when we were given advice before John's vasectomy over 40 years ago (I can't remember what happened yesterday but 40+ years - no trouble) !

Now of course, he's had prostate cancer. Did it cause it. ? Who knows. Without Andy's question I wouldn't have given it another thought

We can't control the winds - but we can adjust our sails
User
Posted 01 Feb 2016 at 10:49

Soon after my vasectomy , things started to change quite a lot. I researched the death out of vasectomy and everywhere you look it says it does not affect your sex life. Although sperm itself is a very small amount of the semen ejaculated during orgasm , I found a drastic loss in volume very quickly -- probably half ! And this got worse until I was diagnosed with PCa . When I asked my doctor , he said many many men complain about sex issues after vasectomy , despite the claims it is totally safe .
When you have a vasectomy , the tubes are cut so that they cant supply the seminal vesicles anymore. The testicles still produce sperm but it but it is reabsorbed into the body. I don't thik that's harmful ? The seminal fluid is still made in the prostate and stored in the seminal vesicles attached to it until orgasm. Yes when young, men have wet dreams quite regularly. I think that is more an adolescent thing driven by testosterone levels etc. I was lucky to have an active sex life all through my life really and simply cant remember the last time I had an erotic dream , then again you need to be asleep to have a dream..........
Chris

If life gives you lemons , then make lemonade

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Posted 01 Feb 2016 at 20:44
Ok so I have tried to stay away from this thread, obviously our sex education in this country is at the best severely lacking and at the worst failing miserably.

Not a lot of people know this but I am a dog breeder😎So the understanding of how when and why egg meets sperm is pretty fundamental . So here we go, Male dogs exactly like humans have a prostate ( and also suffer from PCa) sadly they were only blessed with paws , so no wet dreams and no DIY 😛 They are only stimulated by the scent of the female in season ( this is her egg production time and the only time when she is Horney and would allow , or be up for it) the rest of the time she would bite his head off .

Stay with me here so fully entire male stud dogs probably only get to mate a b**** around 6 / 7 times per year😰 And that's on a good year. The average is probably 4/5 times per year.

So are they storing up rotten sperm nooooo inert sperm sits in the epididymis ( this is where it goes from being inert to mature sperm) if it is not used or ejaculated then it is reabsorbed like saliva back into the body , we don't fill up with rotten saliva , sperm is reabsorbed the same way.

I have just explained this to my boy dogs and wow they are so relieved , bless they thought they were going to explode with retained semen 😜 I told Them just have a Bonoi and you will be fine.🤗

BFN

Julie X

NEVER LAUGH AT A LIVE DRAGON
User
Posted 01 Feb 2016 at 21:20

Just ruined a nice skirt with splurted tea - thanks Julie

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 01 Feb 2016 at 21:39
No problem Lyn, just so glad that the reproductive system is finally understood.

Of course that still leaves me with a laptop, a blouse and know a skirt to explain to my insurance company.🤑

BFN

Julie X

NEVER LAUGH AT A LIVE DRAGON
User
Posted 02 Feb 2016 at 19:22

prior to PCa dag

I had painful ejaculations,  later on I did notice that my ejaculate amount had lessened this was about 18 mounts prior to me Dagonised.

 

 

Edited by member 02 Feb 2016 at 19:24  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 02 Feb 2016 at 22:25

There could be a confusion about cause and effect here. Having "dry" ejaculations is apparently a symptom -but not cause - of prostate cancer. We wish we had known this earlier, so it's worth mentioning here.

User
Posted 26 Nov 2017 at 07:33
Hello, may I ask, do these painful ejaculations mean pain while ejeculating or pain minutes afterwards? Thank you
User
Posted 26 Nov 2017 at 11:15

Sorry I can't be very clear, 

it was a long time ago , I think it was a bit of both

User
Posted 26 Nov 2017 at 11:20

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
There could be a confusion about cause and effect here. Having "dry" ejaculations is apparently a symptom - but not cause - of prostate cancer.

I agree - I wish I'd known it earlier, too.

Of course dry - or no ejaculation can be for other reasons, and it's simply impossible to pick two events and conclude that they must be related. It's much more likely that they're not.

If prostate cancer was caused (albeit indirectly) by an anti-hypertensive, some 30 years ago, I think it would have been spotted - they are used by millions of people, and there have been many long-term studies.

Edited by member 26 Nov 2017 at 11:21  | Reason: Not specified

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User
Posted 26 Nov 2017 at 13:17

Several years ago I found some information concerning 'milking the prostate' by way of massage undertaken by practitioners of this procedure, the idea of this being to help expel old semen. I did post it on here at the time and a retired GP who was an active member on the forum at the time derided the practice as being unnecessary and serving no useful purpose.

Barry
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Posted 26 Nov 2017 at 13:22
This is my theory and I'm not a doctor, so take it with a pinch of salt.

I've read a few times on the forum the odd man say that pre-diagnosis, either the volume of ejaculate started to reduce or the quality of erection started to deteriorate. Now, these are not considered to be usual symptoms of PCa. But I do wonder if either one of them is being under-estimated as a possible symptom of PCa and if any research is being carried out.

Walter

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Posted 26 Nov 2017 at 14:03

I think reducing quality of erection (not as firm as before / short lasting / easily lost) are all types of ED which is recognised as an indicator of PCa. Unfortunately, all are also indicators of increasing age, stress, blood pressure etc so like everything else we discuss on here, not proof of cancer.

John had all of these in the months pre-diagnosis but we both assumed it was down to some pretty big stuff going on in our life. Only hindsight (and threads here) made me think it may have been an early warning.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 26 Nov 2017 at 14:12

Manwith, I seem to remember that prostate massage was big business in America where men were paying quite large sums of money for the procedure. I also think there were a couple of cases where the person offering the massage (I think people other than qualified doctors can also sell this service) turned out to be predatory / sexually motivated. Possibly why LordInch was so anti?

Common sense would say that if prostate massage protected men from PCa then men receiving anal sex or regular anal stimulation would be much less likely to get it. I don't think that is a statistic that has ever popped up in reliable research?

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 26 Nov 2017 at 14:13

Ha ha ha - you will always be manwith to me :-/

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 26 Nov 2017 at 14:43
This is a very interesting thread, hindsight is a wonderful thing, I had a vasectomy fourty odd years ago and I can remember clearly the consultant whilst finishing the stitching up of my testes (local anaesthetic) saying only problem you may have will be with your prostate . That went clearly over my head at the time,what's a prostate I thought, I was happy that the operation was over, and I could get back to work. Also I suffered from pain whilst ejaculating and on a occasion no sperm at all, also later in life I suffered from epididymitis which I discovered recently is caused by an enlarged prostate in older men. So the signs may have been there however it took a blood test for high blood pressure to bring it to a conclusion, that said I thank the medical profession for their promptness as soon as it was diagnosed .

Regards

James

User
Posted 26 Nov 2017 at 17:53

Yes, that is one of my pet theories - we once had a (very unscientific) poll on here to see how many of the members had a vasectomy. Other things that seem to be quite common among members .... having worked with oils / chemicals, worked in aviation and/or a lot of cycling when younger (but perhaps most young lads do a lot of cycling???).

British research was fairly conclusive that competitive cyclists have a raised PSA but no increased risk of getting prostate cancer; the resulting guidance to urologist was to be more aware of benign link between PSA and frequent cycling to avoid unnecessary biopsies / scans.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 26 Nov 2017 at 18:29

Sadly, now man without, Lyn, with an alternative meaning lol!

Actually, I began to experience slight difficulty getting an erection in my late fifties, although when this was achieved I don't recall there being a reduction in semen (although not being the recipient, I was not best able to say). I put this down to the ageing process and had a shot or two of Testosterone/Viagra from my GP. It was some 15 years later that I was diagnosed with PCa, so whether there was a connection to any of the foregoing, I don't know.

Barry
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Posted 26 Nov 2017 at 19:00

I’m maybe going to shock here ...
As a youth if I didn’t orgasm regularly I would get really heavy aching balls. Really aching. I spoke to some friends. Some never ever experienced it , others spoke the same. It was worse if involved in fore-play without ejaculation. Your prostate produces seminal fluid all the time and it reacts to stimulation or excitement. The fliuid is stored in the seminal vesicles next to the prostate and a small amount of sperm is added from the attached vas deferens tubes from the testicles. If the whole system “ backs up “ it can cause awful back pressure on the testes which I assure you is very painful. Many a woman doesn’t believe this lol. I think very regular purging of any bodily fluid is a must , whether it be sweat , saliva , faeces , urine etc , but as I said before , regularly ejaculating has not done me any favours at the age of 50.
TMI for a Sunday night ?? Thought I’d just add knowledge

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User
Posted 16 Nov 2018 at 15:04

Johsan - I would have said that it was physically impossible to ejaculate without an erection.   If your body produces a fluid when your penis is not erect, it will be urine, not semen.

User
Posted 16 Nov 2018 at 15:50

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

Johsan - I would have said that it was physically impossible to ejaculate without an erection.   If your body produces a fluid when your penis is not erect, it will be urine, not semen.

 

Sorry Dronfield, you are mistaken. Men are able to ejaculate without an erection - we have a paraplegic friend who has been able to produce beautiful children naturally although he cannot get erections. You can't ejaculate with reaching orgasm but fortunately, orgasm without an erection is quite easy to achieve. 

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 16 Nov 2018 at 16:14

I haven’t read any of the previous posts, but I did read somewhere that regular ejaculation and expulsion of seminal fluid can prevent prostate cancer. That has clearly proved wrong in my case as I have ejaculated as often as possible for the last fifty years.

It is absolutely possible to orgasm and ejaculate without an erection, as I did pre-op, and achieve a dry orgasm following prostatectomy without any tumescence at all.

Cheers, John.

Edited by member 16 Nov 2018 at 16:18  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 16 Nov 2018 at 18:41

Julie X:  A dog not having a hand would not prevent it from having wet dreams, as a wet dream (or a wet hypnopompic hallucination experience) does not involve any contact between the hand and the penis.

Edited by member 16 Nov 2018 at 18:43  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 16 Nov 2018 at 19:07
I have never enjoyed a ‘wet dream’, probably due to the reason referred to above.

The nearest to a ‘nocturnal emission’ I have experienced, was following my recent prostatectomy, and that ejaculation was indeed urine, which is why I am now sleeping on top of a map of Tasmania!

Cheers, John.

User
Posted 16 Nov 2018 at 19:44

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

Yes, that is one of my pet theories - we once had a (very unscientific) poll on here to see how many of the members had a vasectomy. Other things that seem to be quite common among members .... having worked with oils / chemicals, worked in aviation and/or a lot of cycling when younger (but perhaps most young lads do a lot of cycling???).

Lyn, are you my mother?

1. Cycled everywhere until I was 18.

2. RAF engine fitter washing hands with Natptha, breathing the wonderful aroma of burnt paraffin from jet exhausts, lubricating hands with OX38 jet engine oil.  Oh and some fittings on the engines had cadmium in them.

3. Car mechanic for some 30 years breathing hydrocarbons from old carburettor engines plus Duckhams, Castrol GTX et al

4. Vasectomy 1984 - no mention of possible problems later

5. Father, grandfather, great grandfather, 3 cousins and brother (male line), uncle (female line) all died from or have PCa

6. Bald patch on crown of head

Think I tick all the boxes.  

 

User
Posted 16 Nov 2018 at 20:15

LOL - I think you were leaving school just as I was born. But we may have frequented the same pubs & clubs without realising it? Depends whether you ever played in the Leeds & District pool league 

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 16 Nov 2018 at 21:00

Steve started producing a lot less semen about six months ago. Interestingly around that time, I became allergic to his semen. Seminal plasma hypersensitivity, is caused by a reaction to proteins found in semen. The thing is, he was producing sperm but not nearly enough seminal fluid to carry that sperm. 

We did mention this to one of the specialists but they looked at us like we were a bit bonkers. I'd love to know if any other female partners of men with PC got seminal hypersensitivity. 

User
Posted 16 Nov 2018 at 21:26
I first visited a specialist with unexpected ED at the age of 45 and a great reduction in ejaculate etc which was quite remarkable. They did do DRE and it was normal but psa was 4 then 6 then 4. Totally overlooked tbh and their answer was TRT -feeding the cancer directly. I looked at sueing but in the end decided that would be even more stressful. I think on hindsight I should have sued as it’s likely my son may only be 16 when I croak it. If you look at prostate cancer symptoms, then ED and loss of ejaculate is rarely mentioned , yet there are many cases I’ve seen - more prevalent than known !! Many GP’s don’t have a clue. They are not gods after all.

If life gives you lemons , then make lemonade

User
Posted 17 Nov 2018 at 00:44

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

Steve started producing a lot less semen about six months ago. Interestingly around that time, I became allergic to his semen. Seminal plasma hypersensitivity, is caused by a reaction to proteins found in semen. The thing is, he was producing sperm but not nearly enough seminal fluid to carry that sperm. 

We did mention this to one of the specialists but they looked at us like we were a bit bonkers. I'd love to know if any other female partners of men with PC got seminal hypersensitivity. 

My now X wife became severely allergic to the whole of me after my diagnosis.  Don't think that had anything to do with PC!

 

 

User
Posted 17 Nov 2018 at 02:06

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

My now X wife became severely allergic to the whole of me after my diagnosis. Don't think that had anything to do with PC!

😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

User
Posted 17 Nov 2018 at 10:25

My GPs didn't know of any connection between PCa and lack of ejaculation but I have read in the paper of a correlation.

User
Posted 18 Feb 2019 at 19:35

Darn I lost this topic as I hadn't clicked 'follow conversation'. 

I mentioned my allergy to Steve's specialist and he was really interested. He said that the ejaculate fluid from the prostate (seminal vesicular fluid) is a multitude of controlled chemicals that merge and that one of these chemicals on its own (it has a name but don't remember) is highly irritable to the skin because its very alkaline. He went on to say that its very possible that an upset in these chemicals, through disease, could cause too much of this substance in the ejaculate fluid, which would explain my reaction. 

The thing is, this isn't something people want to talk about but I do wonder if there are other women out there that have had this reaction and later found their partner has PC, because if that's the case, we could be the first to set off the alarm bell.

User
Posted 18 Feb 2019 at 20:25
Hi Maria,

One less thing for you to worry about now!😉

Cheers, John.

User
Posted 18 Feb 2019 at 22:49

Pretty sure I've read in more than one place that men produce less semen as they age anyway, in which case that's going to apply to most people here, but also most people who don't have PCa, so just asking people with PCa here might give a completely wrong impression.

I also saw a couple of references to seminal vesicles storing semen produced in the prostate in this thread, which I think is wrong. My understanding (which also might be wrong!) is that both the seminal vesicles and the prostate produce different constituents of the semen. The seminal vesicles produce the thicker white milky component which they store for use, and the prostate produces a clear liquid (mainly on demand rather than stored), which amongst other things, causes the thicker component from the seminal vesicles to liquify and become less milky some minutes after mixing during ejaculation. If you ejaculate more than once, it tends to get more watery each time because the seminal vesicles will have run out and take a longer time to replenish, but the prostate can quickly make it's clear constituent again.

I do recall having small jelly-like lumps in my semen for some years, more if I hadn't ejaculated for some days, and I did ask about it, but was told it was not uncommon. However, I think it probably went away a decade before being diagnosed with PCa, so not obviously related. My seminal vesicles are clear of cancer.

 

User
Posted 18 Feb 2019 at 23:27

I was a little worried that the dry orgasms resulting from first HT and now RT would reduce the pleasure of it, but I'm happy to report that it feels exactly the same, and is an awful lot less messy as a benefit wink .

Chris

 

User
Posted 18 Feb 2019 at 23:39

Before diagnosis and even knowing anything about prostate cancer, I noticed that I was producing less semen but just put it down to getting older. 

Thanks Chris

User
Posted 17 Mar 2019 at 15:00

I think his dry orgasms are fantastic. Its all so tidy embarassed

User
Posted 17 Mar 2019 at 15:03

If there is cancer in the seminal vesicles or the bulbourethral glands (as there was with S), it makes sense that there is going to be less seminal fluid or a change in consistancy. 

 
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