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How much leeway for Zoladex injections

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Posted 08 Feb 2016 at 17:00

My Dad was due his second Zoladex injection today, a month after the first. He's also had a month's worth of Casodex -- around two weeks before and two weeks after his first Zoladex shot. 

He was told to go to his GP for this second injection. He turned up and the surgery today, but the nurse said they didn't have any Zoladex. The knew they needed to arrange to get some in -- they admit it, but say it hasn't turned up. This is the same surgery that failed to act on my Dad's high PSA reading over a year ago! I suggested he change his GP, but he hasn't.

He's trying to get in touch with his nurse contact at his local hospital about this. I hope he can get the injection in the next day or so, but he's been told to go back to the surgery in a week. My question is: is it OK to wait so long? Will a week make a difference. He does have a fairly aggressive cancer -- Gleason 8 -- but it's still in the prostate.

thanks for reading

Dee.

User
Posted 08 Feb 2016 at 17:57

Hi Dee,

Try not to worry, i have the 3 monthly Zoladex and last year i only had three injections, i was due one on the 12th December but decided to stop them for a while and my PSA has not moved.

I am a gleason 9, a week will not hurt.

Best Wishes

Si

Don't deny the diagnosis; try to defy the verdict
User
Posted 08 Feb 2016 at 18:25
My oh was on prostap. There is flexibility in the exact date they can be taken.

This was told to us by the Consultant.

So do not worry too much, I would think a week would be fine.

ATB

Alison

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Posted 08 Feb 2016 at 20:26

Sorry I am going to disagree with my friends above. Zoladex only has two or three days flexibility in it. In addition, try not to think in terms of months .... he should have it every 4 weeks or every twelve weeks NOT every month or every 3 months. If it was my dad I would be on the phone to oncology and sitting at the GP practice first thing tomorrow morning. It is shocking that the practice nurse thinks it is okay to wait a week!

Edited by member 08 Feb 2016 at 20:26  | Reason: Not specified

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User
Posted 08 Feb 2016 at 20:50
I was told that a gap of a day or so was ok but otherwise you should not wait longer than that - public holidays can interfere . So I agree with Lyn regarding this.

Initially I was on monthly(28 days) Zoladex as I was told that it would be easier for come off HT regarding the side effects i.e they would cease more quickly than the 12 weekly ones. I was happy with this.

When I had the fiducial markings implanted I was then told to go to 3 monthly injections. I continued with the monthly ones until I finished RT. I was then very firmly informed that I should swop to the 12 weekly injections. Which I have.

But it's early days and I shouldn't worry too much at the moment . A patient usually needs to be on Zoladex for at least 12 weeks before RT can start and as been mentioned before some patients have a Zoladex 'holiday ' at a later date.

However it's worrying when treatment has only just started not to have a regular routine and being messed around by the practice is extremely annoying.

I hope that this can be this sorted quickly. In the meantime try not to worry to much.

Which I know is easier said than done.

My Gleason score was 7 with staging T3a and with one third aggressive cancer .

Of course I was worried in the initial days but now I'm firmly in the swing of things ,I just go with the flow.

User
Posted 08 Feb 2016 at 21:27

Hi Dee, I agree with Lyn on this one, when my fourth 12 week injection was due I could not make the exact date and the nurse told me that one or two days after the date was ok but not one day beforehand.

Before starting my RT there was several delays from the proposed three months from the start of HT and it ended up being just over six months, my oncologist said this was perfectly OK and the general thought by specialists was that it would be better as the HT will shrink the tumour a lot more. When I was diagnosed I was PSA 63 with a T3a Gleason 3+4 and my PSA at the start of RT was 0.5.

Like you Surr I am taking one thing at a time and going with the flow

Stay positive, regards Chris/Woody

Life seems different upside down, take another viewpoint

User
Posted 08 Feb 2016 at 21:59

Generally speaking, I feel uncomfortable when we post on here that a GP practice has made mistakes or is somehow not stepping up to the plate. But I am afraid that in this case, the nurse needs a bit of a shake and I fear that Deejay or her dad are going to need to stay on top of things - the nurse should have known how important it is to have the implant within a couple of days and should surely have got in touch the minute she realised there was a supply problem ... or made alternative arrangements with the hospital maybe.

It makes me want to ask whether she actually knows how to inject the implant - Deejay, in your shoes I would be tempted to phone the practice and ask for confirmation that they have a nurse experienced in giving zoladex as it is not straightforward.

Edited by member 08 Feb 2016 at 22:00  | Reason: Not specified

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 09 Feb 2016 at 00:37

Hi Dee,

I wouldn't worry too much about your dad going past his due date for his Zoladex, I know it is not ideal, in an ideal world his surgery would have been up to speed, however I doubt a few days or even a week is likely to have a profound effect on his treatment.

I was on Zoladex for 3 years, and when I came off I was looking forward to getting my testosterone levels up to speed, however it took best part of 12 months for me to work the side effects of the Zoladex out of my system.  Now I know I was on it a lot longer than your dad, but I would think it will take more than a few days for his body to resume making testosterone in damaging quantities.

Also, I haven't seen much posted on here recently, but there are many who advocate what they call Intermittent Hormone therapy, the theory being that it is just as good to have a occassional bouts of HT followed by a break.

So far as Doctors surgeries are concerned, they all have their local inconsistencies, for example it seems to be left to me to organise a PSA test about a week before each appopintment with a Consultant.  I have found that I need to book that appointment 2 perhaps 3 weeks in advance, because often the phlebotomist is booked solid that far in advance.

Then when I phone for the result, irrespective of which receptionist answers my call, they all tell me 'the result was normal', I have to ask them for the number.  I have been repeating this rigmarole at least 4 times a year for the last 8 years, and it is tedious, but by the same token life is too short to get too worked up about it?

Ditto with Zoladex and Prostrap, my Surgery has an in-house Pharmacy, but the receptionists do not cross reference, so when I book an appointment with the nurse for a Zoladex implant, I then need to make a second phone call to the Pharmacy, tell them my appointment date and ensure they have a zoladex implant for me.  Crazy when you think that the receptionist and pharmacist sit no more than 10 feet apart, but that is the way it is, and it is easier to go with the flow, learn the system, learn the tricks and make the system work for you?

:)

Dave 

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Posted 09 Feb 2016 at 06:04

not sure if having to wait a further week is good or bad, but I would be asking to see the practise manager about it, best to get it nipped n the bud early re dads treatment, I have mine at the hospital with the urologist nurse would that be an option
as you say moving GPs may be as good idea it was for me saved my life by doing

regards
nidge

run long and prosper

'pooh how do you spell love'

'piglet you dont spell love -you just feel it'

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Posted 08 Feb 2016 at 17:57

Hi Dee,

Try not to worry, i have the 3 monthly Zoladex and last year i only had three injections, i was due one on the 12th December but decided to stop them for a while and my PSA has not moved.

I am a gleason 9, a week will not hurt.

Best Wishes

Si

Don't deny the diagnosis; try to defy the verdict
User
Posted 08 Feb 2016 at 18:25
My oh was on prostap. There is flexibility in the exact date they can be taken.

This was told to us by the Consultant.

So do not worry too much, I would think a week would be fine.

ATB

Alison

User
Posted 08 Feb 2016 at 20:26

Sorry I am going to disagree with my friends above. Zoladex only has two or three days flexibility in it. In addition, try not to think in terms of months .... he should have it every 4 weeks or every twelve weeks NOT every month or every 3 months. If it was my dad I would be on the phone to oncology and sitting at the GP practice first thing tomorrow morning. It is shocking that the practice nurse thinks it is okay to wait a week!

Edited by member 08 Feb 2016 at 20:26  | Reason: Not specified

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 08 Feb 2016 at 20:50
I was told that a gap of a day or so was ok but otherwise you should not wait longer than that - public holidays can interfere . So I agree with Lyn regarding this.

Initially I was on monthly(28 days) Zoladex as I was told that it would be easier for come off HT regarding the side effects i.e they would cease more quickly than the 12 weekly ones. I was happy with this.

When I had the fiducial markings implanted I was then told to go to 3 monthly injections. I continued with the monthly ones until I finished RT. I was then very firmly informed that I should swop to the 12 weekly injections. Which I have.

But it's early days and I shouldn't worry too much at the moment . A patient usually needs to be on Zoladex for at least 12 weeks before RT can start and as been mentioned before some patients have a Zoladex 'holiday ' at a later date.

However it's worrying when treatment has only just started not to have a regular routine and being messed around by the practice is extremely annoying.

I hope that this can be this sorted quickly. In the meantime try not to worry to much.

Which I know is easier said than done.

My Gleason score was 7 with staging T3a and with one third aggressive cancer .

Of course I was worried in the initial days but now I'm firmly in the swing of things ,I just go with the flow.

User
Posted 08 Feb 2016 at 21:27

Hi Dee, I agree with Lyn on this one, when my fourth 12 week injection was due I could not make the exact date and the nurse told me that one or two days after the date was ok but not one day beforehand.

Before starting my RT there was several delays from the proposed three months from the start of HT and it ended up being just over six months, my oncologist said this was perfectly OK and the general thought by specialists was that it would be better as the HT will shrink the tumour a lot more. When I was diagnosed I was PSA 63 with a T3a Gleason 3+4 and my PSA at the start of RT was 0.5.

Like you Surr I am taking one thing at a time and going with the flow

Stay positive, regards Chris/Woody

Life seems different upside down, take another viewpoint

User
Posted 08 Feb 2016 at 21:59

Generally speaking, I feel uncomfortable when we post on here that a GP practice has made mistakes or is somehow not stepping up to the plate. But I am afraid that in this case, the nurse needs a bit of a shake and I fear that Deejay or her dad are going to need to stay on top of things - the nurse should have known how important it is to have the implant within a couple of days and should surely have got in touch the minute she realised there was a supply problem ... or made alternative arrangements with the hospital maybe.

It makes me want to ask whether she actually knows how to inject the implant - Deejay, in your shoes I would be tempted to phone the practice and ask for confirmation that they have a nurse experienced in giving zoladex as it is not straightforward.

Edited by member 08 Feb 2016 at 22:00  | Reason: Not specified

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 08 Feb 2016 at 22:05
Totally agree with Lyn on this one stamp your drumb and find out why your GP is not getting it sorted. We had a similar situation at the start of our treatment , they can be far to lazy in organising drugs etc. It is not important to them but it is very important to you .

BFN

Julie X

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User
Posted 09 Feb 2016 at 00:37

Hi Dee,

I wouldn't worry too much about your dad going past his due date for his Zoladex, I know it is not ideal, in an ideal world his surgery would have been up to speed, however I doubt a few days or even a week is likely to have a profound effect on his treatment.

I was on Zoladex for 3 years, and when I came off I was looking forward to getting my testosterone levels up to speed, however it took best part of 12 months for me to work the side effects of the Zoladex out of my system.  Now I know I was on it a lot longer than your dad, but I would think it will take more than a few days for his body to resume making testosterone in damaging quantities.

Also, I haven't seen much posted on here recently, but there are many who advocate what they call Intermittent Hormone therapy, the theory being that it is just as good to have a occassional bouts of HT followed by a break.

So far as Doctors surgeries are concerned, they all have their local inconsistencies, for example it seems to be left to me to organise a PSA test about a week before each appopintment with a Consultant.  I have found that I need to book that appointment 2 perhaps 3 weeks in advance, because often the phlebotomist is booked solid that far in advance.

Then when I phone for the result, irrespective of which receptionist answers my call, they all tell me 'the result was normal', I have to ask them for the number.  I have been repeating this rigmarole at least 4 times a year for the last 8 years, and it is tedious, but by the same token life is too short to get too worked up about it?

Ditto with Zoladex and Prostrap, my Surgery has an in-house Pharmacy, but the receptionists do not cross reference, so when I book an appointment with the nurse for a Zoladex implant, I then need to make a second phone call to the Pharmacy, tell them my appointment date and ensure they have a zoladex implant for me.  Crazy when you think that the receptionist and pharmacist sit no more than 10 feet apart, but that is the way it is, and it is easier to go with the flow, learn the system, learn the tricks and make the system work for you?

:)

Dave 

User
Posted 09 Feb 2016 at 06:04

not sure if having to wait a further week is good or bad, but I would be asking to see the practise manager about it, best to get it nipped n the bud early re dads treatment, I have mine at the hospital with the urologist nurse would that be an option
as you say moving GPs may be as good idea it was for me saved my life by doing

regards
nidge

run long and prosper

'pooh how do you spell love'

'piglet you dont spell love -you just feel it'

User
Posted 09 Feb 2016 at 08:03

Thank everybody. I'll be chasing this up today. 

 
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