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Posted 11 Apr 2016 at 13:34
Just a little update.

After having my blood sample taken last week for latest PSA reading which was going to give us a further steer on salvage treatment, was a bit disappointed wheb Onco apologised and said they had tested the blood for everything except PSA.

Just had another blood sample taken so have to wait another few days to get a call from Onco with result.

On the plus side he said that all the other test results that were not needed were very good.

Anyway, I hope that Walnut 55 had better luck as I think he was due a PSA test today.

Kevan

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Posted 11 Apr 2016 at 16:15

Very frustrating for you 😠

It's not a problem we have ever experienced but others here have reported that they had to stay on top of nurses, GPs and others to make sure the right tests get done at the right time and then results are forwarded to the correct people :-(

Edited by member 11 Apr 2016 at 17:10  | Reason: Not specified

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 14 Apr 2016 at 19:00
Hi Lyn

Hopefully should get PSA result from Monday's blood tomorrow. If it has not leapt up from 0.3 then as the bladder is now under control we are possibly going to arrange 33 sessions of RT beamed at the prostate bed and see what happens.

The rational is that the fewer cells there are to deal with the hopefully the better the outcome. I am sure this is an over simplification but it is all my few remaining brain cells appear prepared to deal with.

Since joining this forum I have been in total awe of the knowledge and understanding that you have of this subject and personally I have found your responses very helpful. I will let you know what happens as it may be of some help in the future.

Fingers crossed indeed but at least no girding of the loins is necessary (at the moment anyway).

Kind regards

Kevan

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Posted 11 Apr 2016 at 16:15

Very frustrating for you 😠

It's not a problem we have ever experienced but others here have reported that they had to stay on top of nurses, GPs and others to make sure the right tests get done at the right time and then results are forwarded to the correct people :-(

Edited by member 11 Apr 2016 at 17:10  | Reason: Not specified

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 13 Apr 2016 at 21:34

Hi Kevan

I've been busy with life stuff recently so not been keeping tabs here until this evening. Sorry to hear about your mess up with PSA testing. It sounds horribly familiar- When I turned up for my op, precisely as directed, crossing over into England to do so, I was sent back home after a few hours because the hospital admin had failed to coordinate things properly.

Maybe the resigned shrug of the shoulders kicks in eventually, but at the time it's a different story..

Yes, had the first post op PSA test via the GP - came back as <0.1.  

It was as well I didn't count my chickens, because the meeting with the consultant 2 days ago has given me considerable anxiety:

The way it was structured didn't help. The main news was delivered poorly and swamped by side issues- he spent more time on telling me to wear supportive underwear ( something that I was already doing). I also had to sit through lengthy platitudes about time and the benefits of pelvic floor exercises).  This didn't endear me to hanging on his every word...It all took place in a poky and claustrophobic setting; the consultant came in and sat down, whereupon the nurse who was standing squashed between us directed me rather patronisingly  to sit down. This,  even though I was merely standing because I had driven uncomfortably for the last hour and a half, and them eager to get going  because I had already delayed his news delivery by pointing out that I had yet to have a flow test and my bladder was still uncomfortably full.. God help us ...So I got that done and came back straight away.

Anyhow, I learned during this meeting  that  ( due to the histology report) I've had a free upgrade to T3. Needless to say, I've now switched over to the hospital based more sensitive PSA test every 3 months .

I understand many surgeons strength lies in their surgical aptitude.  Post op, the man came across a bit like a timeshare salesman who has  got the signature and everything afterwards requires less effort. Maybe there's an element of 'shoot the messenger' here- I'm unable to be entirely objective.  There was an awkward mix of sensing he was not at ease with what he was doing, but at the same time I wanted to give him enough respect to allow him to make a better fist of things. I came away short changed, with more uncertainty. 

 

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Posted 14 Apr 2016 at 09:20

"stay on top of nurses, GP's and others....." Now that's an approach I haven't tried. My grandmother was always saying she was under Dr X so perhaps there's something to it Lyn!

Barry
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Posted 14 Apr 2016 at 09:30
Morning Walnut

Reading about your experiences only underlines to me how very lucky I have been through all of this.I was just disappointed about the PSA test as although I hadn't been worrying about on the morning I had built myself up for the result as this was a milestone one.

This is the only thing that has gone wrong so onwards and upwards.

I very much hope that your PSA will remain below 0.2 and that the incontinence problems improve for you.

This is another consideration when thinking about salvage RT - you need control of your bladder back in order to minimise long term bladder damage. Luckily the bladder control now appears to back to normal.

Every good wish for the future.

Kevan

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Posted 14 Apr 2016 at 13:17

Hi Kevan

thanks for the good wishes.

I think that, like you, there was a mix of detachment, acceptance, and  before the hospital visit, (easily quashed) fleeting anxieties. 

Where it went wrong for me  I think, was that the hospital staff appeared blithely unaware of  that an incontinent person trying to retain a full bladder will have a raised adrenaline level and will therefore not be very good at taking in novel information. All the feelings of calm deteriorated from that moment, worsening further as the information given accelerated away, faster than I could take it in. 

"Please arrive with a comfortably full bladder" my follow up letter stated- Well, 'comfortably' doesn't exist in such situations when you're torn between urge incontinence/ stress incontinence and the desire to hold back weeing to allow a flow test. The automated touch screens for check- in meant that I didn't  get to ask when it would be carried out until the consultant began to talk.

 

Anyhow, I managed to 'phone the nurse specialist  today and get this point across, and also sought clarification as to diagnosis, so was able to draw a line under the episode. In hindsight, I should have just emptied my bladder and given verbal estimation of the  flow.

Although 'Elvis has left the building' so to speak, with an extraprostatic extension T3 and positive surgical margin, currently the PSA is <0.01. Next week I'm off to the GP for a VED- I wonder if it'll  be any good for getting spiders out of the sink?

User
Posted 14 Apr 2016 at 13:37

Oh dear - I guess that's why they call it STRESS incontinence :-0

Sorry about the results - did they say anything about adjuvant treatment or will you wait to see and then opt for salvage if necessary?

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 14 Apr 2016 at 14:25

Gleason 3+4, with the 3 at the margin, so I intend to see how the PSA test readings pan out.

I had the figure given as 40% likelihood of disease recurrence in next 10 years, but the odds may be more favorable still with the Gleason 3, not the 4, at the positive margin.

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Posted 14 Apr 2016 at 16:41

Interesting. Some with a positive margin would plump straight for adjuvant therapy but John waited 2 years until it was obvious that the PSA was climbing. He had been told he had a 55% chance of recurrence. The advantage (in his mind) was that he had time to fully recover from the surgery and see what was what before having to deal with a new set of possible side effects.

Fingers crossed, Kevan, eh!

Edited by member 14 Apr 2016 at 16:42  | Reason: Not specified

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 14 Apr 2016 at 19:00
Hi Lyn

Hopefully should get PSA result from Monday's blood tomorrow. If it has not leapt up from 0.3 then as the bladder is now under control we are possibly going to arrange 33 sessions of RT beamed at the prostate bed and see what happens.

The rational is that the fewer cells there are to deal with the hopefully the better the outcome. I am sure this is an over simplification but it is all my few remaining brain cells appear prepared to deal with.

Since joining this forum I have been in total awe of the knowledge and understanding that you have of this subject and personally I have found your responses very helpful. I will let you know what happens as it may be of some help in the future.

Fingers crossed indeed but at least no girding of the loins is necessary (at the moment anyway).

Kind regards

Kevan

 
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