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Posted 17 May 2016 at 17:57
Hi, I am Harley Rider from Cornwall and have recently been diagnosed with PC that is so far contained withing the prostrate.

I have 4 treatment options open to me at present but have decided against a Radical Prostratectomy and also Watchful waiting.

Would really appreciate some advise on which would be the best way forward, Radio therapy or Brachotherapy?

I have to see the consultant soon and would like to make an informed decision from information people who have been through treatment rather than from the nett or an Oncologist who is trying to sell you his prefered option.

Thank you in advance.

User
Posted 17 May 2016 at 19:23

Hi and welcome Harley.

If you click on my profile it will show RT (2005). I only had minor issues at time of RT but do have long term ED and bladder frequency of which meds helps. Had 3 routine bowel tests all came back ok.

Ray

User
Posted 17 May 2016 at 19:35
Hello Harley Rider and welcome

There are lots of knowledgeable people on this site who will be able to offer advice. Someone will come along who has been or is in a similar situation to you.

You can alway ring the specialist nurses here for advice etc.

Get the "toolkit" from the publications section, you can either download it or phone for a copy.

When others reply to you click on their name and you will be able to see their journey with PCa.

Arthur

Edited by member 17 May 2016 at 19:39  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 17 May 2016 at 19:52

Hi Harley
One of my treatment options was a mixture of 2 yrs hormone therapy , with HDR Bracchy and then some RT on top. In the end that option was withdrawn and I had to have a radical prostatectomy. Yes , read all your options in the toolkit and be as informed as you can , but do follow advice and act promptly if they feel it is necessary.
Chris

User
Posted 17 May 2016 at 20:00

This might not be the most helpful of answers but, in the final analysis, the decision has to be yours. That involves using the excellent resources on this site and also your specialists.

The thought processes I went through were to eliminate surgery as an option. That is not right or wrong but I looked at the potential side effects and decided it was not for me. I was then left with External Beam Radiotherapy or High Dose Rate Brachytherapy with a top up of radiotherapy. Initially I opted for the High Dose Rate Brachytherapy (the low dose option - ie seeds was not an option for me) and part of my reasoning was the very positive experience of my elder brother with this treatment route - he was diagnosed in early 2013 and his most recent PSA test showed undetectable levels. He also had relatively mild side effects.

I made a last minute change however. My brother forwarded me a press cutting from the Daily Mail outlining a new form of External Beam Radiotherapy. Instead of 38 sessions, this treatment involved only 20 sessions and was based on recent clinical trials at Clatterbridge (my centre), The Royal Marsden and Cardiff. Roughly the same amount of radiation was delivered but on a "dose painting" system whereby extra strong doses were delivered to the tumour site and lower doses to surrounding tissue. I was also to undergo 6 months hormone treatment starting before and then continuing during and after the radiotherapy.

I've had 16 of the 20 sessions and, thus far, the side effects have been as follows:

1) Initially some mild depression with the hormone treatment but this passed. I also get mild hot flushes and some breast tenderness.

2) With the radiotherapy, tiredness but I can drive myself to and from the appointments. I have had some mild bowel symptoms - mainly wind and mild constipation. On the urinary side I have had problems with flow but this has been solved with the use of a drug called Tamsulosin.

Now a massive health warning. My radiotherapy side effects are relatively mild, they can be worse for some people and others can more or less avoid them. I am retired but, if I were working, I reckon I could probably have continued to work with time off for the appointments. As I approach the end of the treatment, the tiredness is getting worse and I reckon I might have taken the last few days off if still at work.

So that's my experience. Read as many as you can on the site and have a good old think. Crucially don't feel you have to rush in making up your mind.

Edited by member 17 May 2016 at 20:04  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 18 May 2016 at 05:25

morning Harley rider
myself cannot offer any advise but the gang have been along and already given you a fair bit of info, no doubt others will follow

living in cornwall with a Harley what a lovely way to spend your days, not that I am jealous or owt

regards
nidge (from the frozen north)

run long and prosper

'pooh how do you spell love'

'piglet you dont spell love -you just feel it'

User
Posted 18 May 2016 at 06:41
Hello and welcome from me too.

I was diagnosed with T3a with spread to the lymph nodes and seminal vesicle , so surgery was not an option for me. I had 37 sessions of RT 3 months after I started hormone therapy. I finished RT in January 2015 and will continue with Zoladex until at least August 2106.

The RT side effects were manageable with medication , with the fatigue wearing off about 6-8 weeks after I finished. However is still have side effects from the HT (tiredness and teariness sometimes and hot flushes ) but again they are manageable.

I see that you are now retired which I think will help you with any recovery. I was working through the RT until the final two weeks when I was signed off work for 2 months. I have been able to drive throughout my treatment .

There have been ED issues which are now being addressed via medication ( Cialis ) and the use of a pump.

All in all I have no regrets with the path suggested by my medical team and am hopeful that the treatment will eventually be successful.

Good luck with whatever you decide.

John

User
Posted 18 May 2016 at 07:01

Hi Harley, welcome from me too, like you my PCa is confined to the prostate and I could not have a prostectomy as my prostate is too close to my rectum wall so was offered HT and RT, my original PSA as 63 and before RT was 0.5 and on finishing was 0.01 and officially undetectable.

I was not offered brachytherapy as my NHS trust do not do it and at the time did not do enough research so was not aware that it was a further option, having said that I am extremely happy with the way my treatment has gone. I am also aware that there are a lot of people that have had brachytherapy and are happy with that as well.

Whatever treatment path you take will have to be your decision and I wish you well with it

Regards Chris/Woody

Life seems different upside down, take another viewpoint

User
Posted 18 May 2016 at 12:50

Hello Harley and welcome to the site

My husband had low dose seed Brachytherapy in June 2014. We went for a follow up appointment last week and his PSA is 0.2 which his consultant was very pleased with.

If you click on my Avatar you can see his journey (It's very long as I tend to use it as an online diary of his events)

Pros and cons with all treatments. All you can do is research, ask questions of people who have undergone the various treatments available but also keep an open mind because not all men react to the same treatments in the same way.

Best Wishes
Sandra

We can't control the winds - but we can adjust our sails
User
Posted 24 May 2016 at 21:49

Hi Harley rider ,

To repeat others , make your own decision .

Most men with prostrate cancer do not qualify to have brachytherapy. If your cancer is confined within the capsule , you can empty your bladder and your prostrate is not enlarged then you will probably be accepted. The treatment costs approx. £20,000 and is now available on the NHS. 

My opinion is that low dose seed brachy is by far the best treatment providing that you comply with the acceptance criteria.

The treatment is very quick and research shows that side effects ( if any ) are less than other procedures.

Following 2 MRI scans and template needle biopsies I was diagnosed with Gleason 3+4 and had low dose brachytherapy ( 88 seeds )

on 14th August 2015 at the Royal Surrey Hospital. My side effects have been minimal. I went in in the morning and came out the following morning . My wife booked a hotel next to the hospital whilst I was in and on release we sat on the hotel patio having coffee in the sun .I did not really feel as if too much had happened.

I was back playing tennis ( 4-5 times a week ) very soon.

On another note I have a Morgan Roadster but have always wanted a Harley. Which model in your opinion would be best for a middle aged couple to drive to the South of France.

Regards

Banjoman

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User
Posted 17 May 2016 at 19:23

Hi and welcome Harley.

If you click on my profile it will show RT (2005). I only had minor issues at time of RT but do have long term ED and bladder frequency of which meds helps. Had 3 routine bowel tests all came back ok.

Ray

User
Posted 17 May 2016 at 19:35
Hello Harley Rider and welcome

There are lots of knowledgeable people on this site who will be able to offer advice. Someone will come along who has been or is in a similar situation to you.

You can alway ring the specialist nurses here for advice etc.

Get the "toolkit" from the publications section, you can either download it or phone for a copy.

When others reply to you click on their name and you will be able to see their journey with PCa.

Arthur

Edited by member 17 May 2016 at 19:39  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 17 May 2016 at 19:52

Hi Harley
One of my treatment options was a mixture of 2 yrs hormone therapy , with HDR Bracchy and then some RT on top. In the end that option was withdrawn and I had to have a radical prostatectomy. Yes , read all your options in the toolkit and be as informed as you can , but do follow advice and act promptly if they feel it is necessary.
Chris

User
Posted 17 May 2016 at 20:00

This might not be the most helpful of answers but, in the final analysis, the decision has to be yours. That involves using the excellent resources on this site and also your specialists.

The thought processes I went through were to eliminate surgery as an option. That is not right or wrong but I looked at the potential side effects and decided it was not for me. I was then left with External Beam Radiotherapy or High Dose Rate Brachytherapy with a top up of radiotherapy. Initially I opted for the High Dose Rate Brachytherapy (the low dose option - ie seeds was not an option for me) and part of my reasoning was the very positive experience of my elder brother with this treatment route - he was diagnosed in early 2013 and his most recent PSA test showed undetectable levels. He also had relatively mild side effects.

I made a last minute change however. My brother forwarded me a press cutting from the Daily Mail outlining a new form of External Beam Radiotherapy. Instead of 38 sessions, this treatment involved only 20 sessions and was based on recent clinical trials at Clatterbridge (my centre), The Royal Marsden and Cardiff. Roughly the same amount of radiation was delivered but on a "dose painting" system whereby extra strong doses were delivered to the tumour site and lower doses to surrounding tissue. I was also to undergo 6 months hormone treatment starting before and then continuing during and after the radiotherapy.

I've had 16 of the 20 sessions and, thus far, the side effects have been as follows:

1) Initially some mild depression with the hormone treatment but this passed. I also get mild hot flushes and some breast tenderness.

2) With the radiotherapy, tiredness but I can drive myself to and from the appointments. I have had some mild bowel symptoms - mainly wind and mild constipation. On the urinary side I have had problems with flow but this has been solved with the use of a drug called Tamsulosin.

Now a massive health warning. My radiotherapy side effects are relatively mild, they can be worse for some people and others can more or less avoid them. I am retired but, if I were working, I reckon I could probably have continued to work with time off for the appointments. As I approach the end of the treatment, the tiredness is getting worse and I reckon I might have taken the last few days off if still at work.

So that's my experience. Read as many as you can on the site and have a good old think. Crucially don't feel you have to rush in making up your mind.

Edited by member 17 May 2016 at 20:04  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 18 May 2016 at 05:25

morning Harley rider
myself cannot offer any advise but the gang have been along and already given you a fair bit of info, no doubt others will follow

living in cornwall with a Harley what a lovely way to spend your days, not that I am jealous or owt

regards
nidge (from the frozen north)

run long and prosper

'pooh how do you spell love'

'piglet you dont spell love -you just feel it'

User
Posted 18 May 2016 at 06:41
Hello and welcome from me too.

I was diagnosed with T3a with spread to the lymph nodes and seminal vesicle , so surgery was not an option for me. I had 37 sessions of RT 3 months after I started hormone therapy. I finished RT in January 2015 and will continue with Zoladex until at least August 2106.

The RT side effects were manageable with medication , with the fatigue wearing off about 6-8 weeks after I finished. However is still have side effects from the HT (tiredness and teariness sometimes and hot flushes ) but again they are manageable.

I see that you are now retired which I think will help you with any recovery. I was working through the RT until the final two weeks when I was signed off work for 2 months. I have been able to drive throughout my treatment .

There have been ED issues which are now being addressed via medication ( Cialis ) and the use of a pump.

All in all I have no regrets with the path suggested by my medical team and am hopeful that the treatment will eventually be successful.

Good luck with whatever you decide.

John

User
Posted 18 May 2016 at 07:01

Hi Harley, welcome from me too, like you my PCa is confined to the prostate and I could not have a prostectomy as my prostate is too close to my rectum wall so was offered HT and RT, my original PSA as 63 and before RT was 0.5 and on finishing was 0.01 and officially undetectable.

I was not offered brachytherapy as my NHS trust do not do it and at the time did not do enough research so was not aware that it was a further option, having said that I am extremely happy with the way my treatment has gone. I am also aware that there are a lot of people that have had brachytherapy and are happy with that as well.

Whatever treatment path you take will have to be your decision and I wish you well with it

Regards Chris/Woody

Life seems different upside down, take another viewpoint

User
Posted 18 May 2016 at 12:50

Hello Harley and welcome to the site

My husband had low dose seed Brachytherapy in June 2014. We went for a follow up appointment last week and his PSA is 0.2 which his consultant was very pleased with.

If you click on my Avatar you can see his journey (It's very long as I tend to use it as an online diary of his events)

Pros and cons with all treatments. All you can do is research, ask questions of people who have undergone the various treatments available but also keep an open mind because not all men react to the same treatments in the same way.

Best Wishes
Sandra

We can't control the winds - but we can adjust our sails
User
Posted 24 May 2016 at 21:49

Hi Harley rider ,

To repeat others , make your own decision .

Most men with prostrate cancer do not qualify to have brachytherapy. If your cancer is confined within the capsule , you can empty your bladder and your prostrate is not enlarged then you will probably be accepted. The treatment costs approx. £20,000 and is now available on the NHS. 

My opinion is that low dose seed brachy is by far the best treatment providing that you comply with the acceptance criteria.

The treatment is very quick and research shows that side effects ( if any ) are less than other procedures.

Following 2 MRI scans and template needle biopsies I was diagnosed with Gleason 3+4 and had low dose brachytherapy ( 88 seeds )

on 14th August 2015 at the Royal Surrey Hospital. My side effects have been minimal. I went in in the morning and came out the following morning . My wife booked a hotel next to the hospital whilst I was in and on release we sat on the hotel patio having coffee in the sun .I did not really feel as if too much had happened.

I was back playing tennis ( 4-5 times a week ) very soon.

On another note I have a Morgan Roadster but have always wanted a Harley. Which model in your opinion would be best for a middle aged couple to drive to the South of France.

Regards

Banjoman

User
Posted 24 May 2016 at 21:55

Hi Banjoman

Thanks for your very informative info on Brachytherapy, very nearly decision time for me.
As for which Harley, I would recommend a 1200cc Sportster, fairly light, handles well, economic (ish) and good fun to ride.
All the best
Harley Rider

User
Posted 24 May 2016 at 21:59

I am not going to comment on the brachy but Banjoman, we have a Fatboy. It is 1700cc and ways over 1/3 ton though. Personally, I would get a ferry to Santander or Bilbao and then ride north into France rather than head south and then back north

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 26 May 2016 at 20:34

Hi Harley Rider ,

Again i repeat that in the end of the day you have to make the decision.

In your situation it would appear that having the the prostrate surgically removed is possibly not the best option considering the side effects

reported by many on this site.

Hifu ( which does not involve radiation ) may be suitable but I do not think it is available on the NHS.

Any other form of radiation treatment appears to involve multiple trips to the hospital and the side effects are well documented on this site.

I know nothing about high dose brachytherapy.

From my experience after having low dose brachytherapy I would say the after effects are minimal. I still find my flowrate slow although by choice I came off Tamullosin.It is not a problem. Erectile function is near normal.

If you do decide on brachy then why not consider the Royal Sussex, The lead consultant is a professor and is possibly the best in the field.

I can visualise a Harley meet on your morning of release in the hotel car park.

I am currently looking at Sportster 1200 and Fatboys but the wife is not overly impressed.

Regards

banjoman

 
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