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Ongoing lack of libido - Erectile dysfunction (ED)

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Posted 23 Sep 2016 at 19:57

Yes it does sound self centered http://community.prostatecanceruk.org/editors/tiny_mce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-frown.gif

Sounds like your husband needs a friend and lots of support, as he is quite ill

I am just looking across the room at my wife and am thinking how lucky I am

Sorry for this posting Is it me or am I just old fashioned 

 

User
Posted 23 Sep 2016 at 20:00
No you are bang on!!😃
User
Posted 23 Sep 2016 at 20:26

I sincerely hope that your husband gets some relief from the steroids as he needs all the help he can get

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We can't control the winds - but we can adjust our sails
User
Posted 23 Sep 2016 at 22:16
BW

Like Johsan I hope you find a resolution to your problems, I do not live in your house and situation and do not know what you are going through. Are you being selfish or trying to survive a difficult situation, I suspect the latter?

I thought the idea of this site was to support fellow members.

All the best to you both.

Thanks Chris

User
Posted 24 Sep 2016 at 09:16

No one has the right to be judgemental towards you. We all do what we can to survive the implications of a partner's illness and developing some detachment is part of coping and keeping yourself sane, it's also perfectly normal. When Neil was so ill, the last thing he wanted was me hanging round him all the time, it made him feel his sense of helplessness more keenly. You are right to ask for medical services to step in, there are some things we simply cant cope with in our own homes.

 

Fiona. xxx

User
Posted 24 Sep 2016 at 11:36

Bobs wife,

Wouldn't it be more useful if people were nicer here and offered constructive advice and support, instead of putting others down in their ignorance?

No one has a right to judge you. If you do not use coping strategies that work for you , then you may not get through this, and be no use to anyone.

As for the pious, and holier than thou? They have no idea what you are dealing with and going through.

But quick to condemn you. How negative? How sad. Nasty even?

Not so quick to offer any practical support or ideas to assist you. No, that would be positive, and nice.

Maybe making you feel worse makes them feel better? Even more HTT? If that were possible?

Do what you need to do, your family consist of more than just Bob.

Are you getting all the outside support and assistance you can? Social services? Do you get any respite care for Bob or yourself?

Are all the family helping, supporting, or expecting you to manage alone?

Take care of all your family, how's the puppy or is it a kitten?

atb

dave

All we can do - is do all that we can.

So, do all you can to help yourself, then make the best of your time. :-)

I am the statistic.

User
Posted 24 Sep 2016 at 13:25
It's most unfortunate that I read your latest post last night, shortly after reading that a Lady who has contributed on this forum for several years had lost her Husband to this s*** disease yesterday lunchtime after years of dedicated care and all the ups and down that a long term illness can bring.

I am certain my own emotions were running a little high so I am pleased I did not respond with the words I had wanted to yesterday evening.

Reflecting on this overnight, and yes, amongst other things, it did play sufficiently on my mind to prevent me from sleeping much, I can only conclude that you really are struggling to deal with things on your own. You had agreed to separate rooms and giving each other more space so who can judge you for going out or socialising with friends whilst he stays at home. You will do what you feel is right and appropriate for you.

You will not be the first and you certainly won't be the last, sadly, as Fiona has said to discover that you just do not have the fortitude to deal with all this. No good time for that to happen so doing things out of guilt or handling things in the way you are now all on your own with what sounds from your own descriptions, almost with contempt, is probably worse than leaving him in the hands of a supportive and comprehensive care team.

I am not at all surprised you have had some less than supportive messages, your posts are thought provoking and probably bordering on inflamatory to some. This is not a common situation. It is not one that everyone will be able to see the other side of either. I am sure it happens more often than we know of just that very few have the "insert any adjective you feel appropriate here" to come right out and say it. This forum is open to everyone though and that means all posts and the responses to them may not always be to everyone's liking.

I would urge you to continue to fight for Bob's care package and for any help that outside agencies can give. I don't think you have said anything much about any family on here or if there are friends who could provide any company or help for Bob. I do recall you saying you have teenage children at exams stage so presumably 16/18 are they aware of the situation now and how hard it is for both of you? more to the point if they know how are they coping?

As for his ongoing medical issues, which I believe was the original purpose of your post no? In light of his previous issues and as he is probably feeling desperately low and very frightened is there any chance that he is self harming ? Of course viral infections can be horrid and the medications cause unpleasant side effects too including bad breath or black tongue with some anti viral drugs.

I hope Bob gets all the help and support he needs and that you can also stay within a coping srategy that works for you.

atb

Mo

edited slightly having been able to read back further.

also hoping to push the page not found out of the way

Edited by member 24 Sep 2016 at 13:47  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 24 Sep 2016 at 18:26

Dear All I find some of the replies quite astonishing what I asked was Does anybody have experience of having Myeloma or Lymphoma following their prostate cancer treatment? Im really not interested on your judgement of how myself and my husband organise our lives. My husband DOES NOT WANT me sat with him all the time he wants me to carry on with my life as it gives a sense of normality. What high minded, superior sounding smug comments there are here. Other than cook for him, keep him company go with him to his appointments, arguing his case at appointments pushing for action as the Consultant adopted a policy of wait and see, is there to do? I have to now do everything in the house my job has been put to one side and keep the children informed and be cheerful for them. If you cant make a CONSTRUCTIVE COMMENT INSTEAD OF A PUT DOWN THEN DONT COMMENT! There are definitely limits to what can be done and social services are not required my husband can get upstairs and bath himself still thank goodness and can make himself a cup of tea. Unfortuately, he is not close to his brother his only close relative left and my familly live 200 miles away, I have contacted a friend or two as he does not contact his friends he never has, must be a bloke thing im afraid we now just have to wait for test results to come through so that they can decide on a course of treatment his deterioration has been very quick within the last month. if anybody has advice to do with terrible bad breath and its such that I have to keep the windows open that would be useful. No he is not self harming he is in himself an independant minded and capable person and yes it is extremely hard but we do have support and we do have friends and we do what we have to do to cope and keep as i said earlier of sense of optimism and enjoyment still in spite of CANCER if that is what it is. I have probably been a little too honest here but im not looking for sympathy thanks im looking for anybodies experience of post cancer treatment illnesses.

User
Posted 24 Sep 2016 at 19:57

good on you BW,

ignore my comments if they offend.

It struck me earlier, thinking about a comment someone made about being "old fashioned".

I was told a long time ago, if you can't say something nice. say nothing.

Go girl, and survive.

Have sent you a pm about Barry's other half.

dave

All we can do - is do all that we can.

So, do all you can to help yourself, then make the best of your time. :-)

I am the statistic.

User
Posted 24 Sep 2016 at 20:58
If my honesty in saying how I felt when I read your post, or my comments which were genuinely offered offended you then just ignore them. If my suggestion about drugs causing bad breath wasn't of interest suffice to even check it out then ignore that too.

I believe both Myeloma and Lymphoma are classified as liquid cancers so if that is Bob's problem it is nothing to do with PCa which is a solid cancer. They can both occur as a result of RT, Chemo or other treatmnts but by definition that is treatment related not PCa related. Your medical team should be able to diagnose both from the tests they have already done. Several people here have had problems with Lymphoma but I am not sure about Myeloma. If you try using those words in the search facility you may find some links to other related threads.

Anyway you clearly don't need anyone to try and explain why you may have had some less than supportive comments. You seem hard enough to deal with that all on your own. If that is your coping strategy then good luck with that.

Has your reaction upset me, hell yes but that's nothing new.

I really hope you can get through this but moreover I hope Bob can too.

Mo

User
Posted 24 Sep 2016 at 23:53
Wow BW how to make friends and influence people . I am assuming you don't work in the nursing or caring profession and if you do can you pm and let me know which area so I can avoid it like the plague.

Bad breath that's a bummer Trevor has that unfortunately due to him taking Zometa he can't have most dental procedures so my advice on that is loads of extra strong mints dotted around the house. (that's for me not him) I don't tend to keep the windows open just in case Trevor gets a chill .

ED well to be totally honest we haven't shagged in at at least 3 years , what with the terminal diagnosis and the hormone treatment and a bit like you the cooking , the ironing, cutting grass , putting the bins out , looking after 17 dogs and trying to keep cheerful for our two young children 12 and 16 even though they understand that there dad is going to die we try and stay cheerfull . So to be honest sex is the last thing I think of or worry about.

The relentless appointments are a pain aren't they I attend all of those as well and trying to stay positive as Trevor is told more bad news is hard even worse is facing our children and informing them .

Trevor can also still wash himself and make a cup of tea so like Bob pretty independent , if and when Bob gets so ill that he can't wash and make himself drinks you could just push a straw under the bedroom door that way you wouldn't have to face his breath.

For many years I worked in care homes looking after grumpy old people that I had no emotional attachment to but I treated them with care and respect .

There is an old saying and although I am not religious Do unto others as you would wish done to you.

BFN

Julie

Edited by member 25 Sep 2016 at 08:34  | Reason: Not specified

NEVER LAUGH AT A LIVE DRAGON
User
Posted 25 Sep 2016 at 08:16

Julie have messaged you X

We can't control the winds - but we can adjust our sails
User
Posted 25 Sep 2016 at 08:34
Oh dear, something like this happened once before. This thread appears to have had a number of posts edited out or deleted all together. It means that some of the responses seem completely out of context.

This hasn't been done by the moderator as that would be clearly noted on the post. The only other person/people who can do this are those that have originated them.

Just pointing this out for those who would be surprised at either the responses so far or wish to make a future comment.

Things are not always what they seem.

Mo

User
Posted 25 Sep 2016 at 09:54

I find it very odd that people have got the impression that my husband is some poor unloved neglected old man that is unloved and uncared for if that was the case I wouldnt bother being on this forum trying to find answers and ways to help him, he doesnt like the bad breath either! If people find it uncaring that I have commented on his awful pervasive bad breath then i apologide for upsetting them by mentioning it here as for putting straws under the door that is just a silly comment to be ignored Unfortunately I find some of the attitudes here judgemental and just unhelpful . And by the way if you look at advice for people caring for the sick at home the advice is to have your own life as well if i go out to a friends house for a cup of tea or go to a concert it does not mean that my husband is left alone to struggle by an embittered wife. It means that I am taking care to have time for myself so that I can be a better person for him. The judgemental and bitter sarcastic comments are really very poor as much as I feel for peoples situations here Im not going to bother to comment any more as it has all been scewered by people with their own agenda.

User
Posted 25 Sep 2016 at 11:46

I actually think the moderator should close this thread as quite frankly some of the comments are unacceptable. I've no idea what any new person would think.

User
Posted 25 Sep 2016 at 12:00

I agree Im a new person to this forum and Im shocked!

User
Posted 25 Sep 2016 at 13:42
I'm living with it but this forum gives me great comfort that I'm not on my own with the ED and other problems associated with it
User
Posted 25 Sep 2016 at 13:46

Perhaps there are some topics and posts that hit a raw nerve with some readers hence the responses. To me, the content of this post touches some very sensitive stuff, eg., can my wife/ partner cope with the physical, practical and emotional effects of the disease, will she leave me, etc. None of us know how we will react until we are in that place. Those who feel it is a wife / partners duty to stick by an ailing spouse may feel very differently as the toll of caring for someone and watching them deteriorate advances. Some, who appear to be coping and doing the positive stuff may be feeling very different but guilty about sharing this. Others who openly struggle with being a carer, do infact cope despite lots of negative feelings about their partner and situation. One is no better than another, and no one should have to feel criticised, inadequate or guilty whatever path they go along. Dont know if you are on Face book, BW but a while back I joined PSA (Prostate Sisters Accord) where women coping with all this could indeed express themselves without judgement, might be worth a look.    Regards,

 

Fiona.

User
Posted 25 Sep 2016 at 16:34

I think you are spot on Fiona. It struck me while reading the posts and replies that not so long ago we had another wife whose husband had serious mental health issues which made him aggressive and hard to be with. Generally speaking, we all rushed to offer support, advising her to look after her own needs and not feel obliged. A suicidal partner can take up every ounce of strength and test even the most patient friends and family. Similarly, as wives and partners come to the end game with their men, we are careful to say how important it is that they look after themselves & take time out when they need it - after all, who is going to care for the carer? I don't think that BW is doing any different to a lot of other people but perhaps is a little more blunt on the forum than we are used to or some feel comfortable with.

When my step-father-in-law (not Stan, the other one) was seriously ill my mother-in-law would get really angry that he was laid on the sofa all day when he should be cutting the grass etc. She refused to take time off work so I would go every day to sit with him, and I ended up giving all of his end-of-life care. It wasn't that she was cold or cruel, she loved him to bits but a) was in denial about how seriously ill he was and b) was going to need that job when he died. His view was that she was going to be a young widow and needed to carve out some kind of life without him sooner rather than later. When I was caring for my mum in the final stages, I hardly left her side except to take an hour every evening when the Marie Curie nurse arrived - I went to the gym, ran, cried, ranted and then went back and carried on.

BW, the smell can be truly awful but can happen in all sorts of different illnesses and is simply an indicator that something is wrong. Step-father-in-law had it, my mum had it and so does John sometimes, particularly when his glands are up. It also affects the taste of his food :-( I am not aware of any increased risk of lymphoma or myeloma after PCa (Stan had lymphoma before PCa but there was no suggestion that they were linked) - have they checked that the PCa hasn't spread to the lymphatic system and/or has he had problems with lymphodema since the original treatment?

Edited by member 25 Sep 2016 at 16:36  | Reason: Not specified

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 25 Sep 2016 at 19:17

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

I actually think the moderator should close this thread as quite frankly some of the comments are unacceptable. I've no idea what any new person would think.

That might happen on Monday Brian.   

There have been other partners previously who have shared frankly, and with some dark humour, what they have needed to do to get through.  They too were treated and judged harshly by those who had not a clue, not you I hasten to add!  I have given 24/7 care to a partner, so I have an idea of what it is like.  You, and most others are constructive and try to help, not condemn.

atb

dave

Edited by member 25 Sep 2016 at 20:41  | Reason: Not specified

All we can do - is do all that we can.

So, do all you can to help yourself, then make the best of your time. :-)

I am the statistic.

 
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