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PSA rise 7yrs after RT

User
Posted 30 Dec 2016 at 19:25
Hi I was dianosed with PCa in 2008, aged 58, Had the full RT in 2009, had very slow yearly rise in PSA, Lastest one Nov 2016 doubled from 2.1 to 4.2. Having another blood test in a months time. Anyone had similar rise, is there any treatment, my full history is on my profile. Thanks
User
Posted 30 Dec 2016 at 23:58

Hi Tony,

Firstly, I am very sorry that you are experiencing increasing PSA levels and urinary problems to boot. You don't say in your profile that I can see the period you were on HT (if at all). HT usually results in a sharp drop in PSA with RT further lowering this over a period between 6 - 24 months post RT when a nadir is reached. This ideally should be sub 1. In my case it was 0.05. Your nadir was well above this but your subsequent rises in PSA were nevertheless fairy small for a long period and until more recently. My PSA increased very slowly but persistently after my nadir as detailed in my Profile and at an increasing rate. My oncologist thought the cancer may have regrown within the Prostate and this indeed was the case. I did make it clear that I was prepared to have further investigations and treatment. Eventually, by the time my PSA had reached 1.99 I had HIFU salvage therapy which significantly reduced my PSA. (This was an early intervention as a tumour was seen on a high quality MRI scan and found in a template transperineal biopsy. Often a patient with a sub 2 PSA after RT would not be investigated or the cancer not sufficiently concentrated to show on a scan). Some cancer was either not identified or left when I had HIFU and PSA is now rising again and I have an appointment in February to consider whether I should just be monitored for a while longer or if some further treatment would be appropriate, maybe repeat HIFU.

Everybody is different but there can be similarities with my case. I too have a diverticulum which means not all urine is expelled and is one reason for frequency. It was quite often during and for some weeks after RT but several weeks after that returned to my pre RT frequency of twice a night. More recently the need to pee means greater urgency but at 80 years of age the bladder is bound to be weaker anyway!

In your shoes I would made an appointment with GP when results of forthcoming blood test are known. It may be considered appropriate for an appointment to be made with urologist regarding urinary situation and oncologist to discuss thoughts on investigating your rising PSA. You might be considered a suitable patient for HIFU or Cyrotherapy, possibly but at least get an idea of how the consultants see it.

Barry
User
Posted 31 Dec 2016 at 08:49

Tony,
If you look on my profile you'll see a rise of PSA after every type of treatment, I'm on another rise now, just had blood test, see Onco next week, and expect to go back on HT in 2017 perhaps for another years worth, I've gone from 2 to 3.3 this year so far, so it's nothing new, it just could be upsetting the first time it happens, so, yes, as Barry says, see your GP or contact your Onco's secretary to see what they want to organise next, some Oncologists say wait until the rise is in double figures, I don't like mine going above 5.
Hope this eases your mind a bit.

Chris.

User
Posted 21 Feb 2017 at 19:02
injection usually given in such as abdomen/buttock/thigh depending on which type given. Every 4 or 12 weeks of which you normally have the choice.

Ray

User
Posted 21 Feb 2017 at 19:29
Hi Tony,

At first I had HT monthly for 2 months, thereafter every 3 months. I had Prostap which was injected in my arm.

Arthur

User
Posted 26 May 2017 at 18:35

Hi Tony

Can't say I've any experience of cannabis or hempseed but it does read more palatable than HT -:) My concern is if they're falsely keeping PSA low? Have you checked that possibilty out with medics?

Good luck on your PCa journey.

Ray

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User
Posted 30 Dec 2016 at 23:58

Hi Tony,

Firstly, I am very sorry that you are experiencing increasing PSA levels and urinary problems to boot. You don't say in your profile that I can see the period you were on HT (if at all). HT usually results in a sharp drop in PSA with RT further lowering this over a period between 6 - 24 months post RT when a nadir is reached. This ideally should be sub 1. In my case it was 0.05. Your nadir was well above this but your subsequent rises in PSA were nevertheless fairy small for a long period and until more recently. My PSA increased very slowly but persistently after my nadir as detailed in my Profile and at an increasing rate. My oncologist thought the cancer may have regrown within the Prostate and this indeed was the case. I did make it clear that I was prepared to have further investigations and treatment. Eventually, by the time my PSA had reached 1.99 I had HIFU salvage therapy which significantly reduced my PSA. (This was an early intervention as a tumour was seen on a high quality MRI scan and found in a template transperineal biopsy. Often a patient with a sub 2 PSA after RT would not be investigated or the cancer not sufficiently concentrated to show on a scan). Some cancer was either not identified or left when I had HIFU and PSA is now rising again and I have an appointment in February to consider whether I should just be monitored for a while longer or if some further treatment would be appropriate, maybe repeat HIFU.

Everybody is different but there can be similarities with my case. I too have a diverticulum which means not all urine is expelled and is one reason for frequency. It was quite often during and for some weeks after RT but several weeks after that returned to my pre RT frequency of twice a night. More recently the need to pee means greater urgency but at 80 years of age the bladder is bound to be weaker anyway!

In your shoes I would made an appointment with GP when results of forthcoming blood test are known. It may be considered appropriate for an appointment to be made with urologist regarding urinary situation and oncologist to discuss thoughts on investigating your rising PSA. You might be considered a suitable patient for HIFU or Cyrotherapy, possibly but at least get an idea of how the consultants see it.

Barry
User
Posted 31 Dec 2016 at 08:49

Tony,
If you look on my profile you'll see a rise of PSA after every type of treatment, I'm on another rise now, just had blood test, see Onco next week, and expect to go back on HT in 2017 perhaps for another years worth, I've gone from 2 to 3.3 this year so far, so it's nothing new, it just could be upsetting the first time it happens, so, yes, as Barry says, see your GP or contact your Onco's secretary to see what they want to organise next, some Oncologists say wait until the rise is in double figures, I don't like mine going above 5.
Hope this eases your mind a bit.

Chris.

User
Posted 31 Dec 2016 at 22:12
Thanks for the information, hope I'll find more out soon after extension blood tests
User
Posted 08 Feb 2017 at 16:25
Hi.Thanks for reply, My PSA still rising, waiting return call from oncology secretary, assume hormone treatment will be my next step. Does the hormone treatment you have leave you without any sex drive? Yours. TONY
User
Posted 08 Feb 2017 at 17:01

Tony

I'm on the edge of going back on treatment. Thus pondering if need be whether to follow the norm route of going back on/off HT or the more latest approach taken by Man with PC and davekirkham - worth reading both profiles

HT totalled destroyed sex life so I guess it would again.

Ray

User
Posted 09 Feb 2017 at 11:19

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
Hi.Thanks for reply, My PSA still rising, waiting return call from oncology secretary, assume hormone treatment will be my next step. Does the hormone treatment you have leave you without any sex drive? Yours. TONY

In my case, yes, totally.

User
Posted 09 Feb 2017 at 11:42

Hi Tony,

I had a very similar experience, PSA fine for a couple of years following EBRT, then rising and doubling.

My Oncologists houseman reckoned that was it, nothing more could be done on a curative basis and wanted to put me on HT on a permanent basis, ie until HT stopped working.

I did a little research, and wrote a nice polite letter to my Consultant asking about cryotherapy, Cyberknife etc.  This resulted in me being referred to Mount Vernon who are regional specialists in salvage HDR brachytherapy.

The jury is still out on whether this salvage HDR Brachytherapy has been a success in the 'curative' sense.  However 3 years ago my PSA was 6.1 and doubling fast, so I had 2 years HT and HDR Brachytherapy, now my PSA is 0.4 and rising slowly.  So even if it is ultimately judged to have failed it has brought me 3 years plus of extra life, and its good life, over 12 months free of HT.

I was Gleason 9, T3 at diagnosis, rather a worse case than you.

So I see no reason why you should not be a candidate for salvage HDR Brachytherapy?

Check out my profile for the details.

:)

Dave

User
Posted 21 Feb 2017 at 18:07
Hi. PSA rise to 5.1, having another blood test in three months then probably HT, not had HT before, how is it given, and how often please.
User
Posted 21 Feb 2017 at 19:02
injection usually given in such as abdomen/buttock/thigh depending on which type given. Every 4 or 12 weeks of which you normally have the choice.

Ray

User
Posted 21 Feb 2017 at 19:29
Hi Tony,

At first I had HT monthly for 2 months, thereafter every 3 months. I had Prostap which was injected in my arm.

Arthur

User
Posted 26 May 2017 at 12:21
Have been taking Cannabis oil and then hempseed oil capsules for many months. Latest PSA dropped from over 5 down to 4,oncologist suggests no treatment at the moment.realise that it does fluctuate but very pleased its fallen, I'll keep up with the capsules and fingers crossed😀
User
Posted 26 May 2017 at 18:35

Hi Tony

Can't say I've any experience of cannabis or hempseed but it does read more palatable than HT -:) My concern is if they're falsely keeping PSA low? Have you checked that possibilty out with medics?

Good luck on your PCa journey.

Ray

User
Posted 26 May 2017 at 19:45
Hi Ray. I told my consultant that I was taking it, he just gave a wry smile, so no obvious problem. It's supposed to weaken cancer cells, so I'll keep on it for now 😀
 
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