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Posted 21 Jan 2018 at 18:45
Hi.... wondering if anyone can help with some questions.... sorry if I haven’t worded things correctly...... just coming to terms with it all.

Firstly my psa was 3925 & my Gleason 4+3 grade 3.... my psa has come down but I would like to know will my Gleason lower with treatment also?

And what exactly does my Gleason mean as my doctors haven’t mentioned this & seem only concerned with my Psa

Also with treatment will my prostate repair & will I need to go to the loo less frequent ?

Thanks wills probs be asking many more

Edited by member 21 Jan 2018 at 19:17  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 21 Jan 2018 at 22:11

Hello Gellie and welcome

I won't attempt to answer your questions as I'm not confident of a correct reply but I am bumping you so that you don't disappear down the page.

Hopefully somebody with experience will come along to advise you

We can't control the winds - but we can adjust our sails
User
Posted 21 Jan 2018 at 23:28

Sorry I can't give a definitive answer to your questions but perhaps can help somewhat.
The Gleason score denotes how far from normal cells the cancerous cells have become. It comprises two numbers which are added together to give a combined figure. The lowest number now classified as cancer in the UK is three and the maximum which denotes greatest deviation is 5. Therefore, the lowest possible Gleason is 3+3 =6 with the highest 5+5=10. The cancer cells that are more numerous are given first and the lesser number second. This means that for example a 4+3=7 has a greater number of more advanced cancer cells than a 3+4=7.


The treatment you are having, HT and chemo is more systemic and appropriate to men with advanced cancer and mets such as you. The chemo and HT are to shrink the tumours and restrain progression . This usually results in a considerable drop in PSA until such time as cancer cells find a way of managing without Testosterone or making it's own. Other systemic treatments may then become necessary. There are different kinds of Prostate Cancer and cancer cells can mutate and advance differently in men. How well your cancer is being restrained by treatment will primarily be assessed by monitoring your PSA and quite possibly your testosterone level or may respond if there are other indications that give rise for further concern as PSA is not in itself an absolute indicator of PCa advance.

Edited by member 22 Jan 2018 at 00:12  | Reason: Not specified

Barry
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Posted 21 Jan 2018 at 23:58
Gellie

Sorry to see you here. We're almost the same age - I'm 47. I was diagnosed last year but had a prostatectomy so I'm not at all confident in answering your questions or commenting on your case. Have you spoken to one of the PCUK specialist nurses yet? They are really good.

Lots of great people on this forum. You'll find great support here.

Ulsterman

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Posted 22 Jan 2018 at 17:57

Nellie, you've had rotten luck. There are bigger PSA scores on here but not many. Your treatment is working, so hang in there. The combination of chemo and HT with luck will get your number down to single figures and you will look at life in a more positive light. The main advice I'd give is to get fit, no surplus pounds and maintain that healthy weight (hard to counter the lethargic effect of the HT, but it is doable), adopt a balanced diet ( what's good for your heart will help you fight the PCa)and go at life with a positive attitude.

As to the effects on your prostate, the cells killed off by the treatment will eventually be reabsorbed harmlessly by your body and expelled like any other dead tissue. If you're peeing too often, as the prostate is reduced in size by the treatment you should find this problem eases a lot. Eventually, your prostate will look more like a normal one, when scanned. It is probably mis-shapen and a bit leathery in places now, but this will change.

The Gleason score derives from tissue samples in the biopsy you had. You probably won't have another unless surgery is required at some future date, rather unlikely, I guess. So the Gleason Score is a measure of the aggressiveness of your PCa. In your case the number is not a big one. Mine was 4+5=9, for example. The surviving PCa, after I had my prostate and bladder out after five years showed a Gleason Score of 4+4=8, so it can change; it may vary through the tumour, I suppose.

Good Luck and remember the power of positive thinking!

AC

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Posted 21 Jan 2018 at 22:11

Hello Gellie and welcome

I won't attempt to answer your questions as I'm not confident of a correct reply but I am bumping you so that you don't disappear down the page.

Hopefully somebody with experience will come along to advise you

We can't control the winds - but we can adjust our sails
User
Posted 21 Jan 2018 at 23:28

Sorry I can't give a definitive answer to your questions but perhaps can help somewhat.
The Gleason score denotes how far from normal cells the cancerous cells have become. It comprises two numbers which are added together to give a combined figure. The lowest number now classified as cancer in the UK is three and the maximum which denotes greatest deviation is 5. Therefore, the lowest possible Gleason is 3+3 =6 with the highest 5+5=10. The cancer cells that are more numerous are given first and the lesser number second. This means that for example a 4+3=7 has a greater number of more advanced cancer cells than a 3+4=7.


The treatment you are having, HT and chemo is more systemic and appropriate to men with advanced cancer and mets such as you. The chemo and HT are to shrink the tumours and restrain progression . This usually results in a considerable drop in PSA until such time as cancer cells find a way of managing without Testosterone or making it's own. Other systemic treatments may then become necessary. There are different kinds of Prostate Cancer and cancer cells can mutate and advance differently in men. How well your cancer is being restrained by treatment will primarily be assessed by monitoring your PSA and quite possibly your testosterone level or may respond if there are other indications that give rise for further concern as PSA is not in itself an absolute indicator of PCa advance.

Edited by member 22 Jan 2018 at 00:12  | Reason: Not specified

Barry
User
Posted 21 Jan 2018 at 23:58
Gellie

Sorry to see you here. We're almost the same age - I'm 47. I was diagnosed last year but had a prostatectomy so I'm not at all confident in answering your questions or commenting on your case. Have you spoken to one of the PCUK specialist nurses yet? They are really good.

Lots of great people on this forum. You'll find great support here.

Ulsterman

User
Posted 22 Jan 2018 at 17:57

Nellie, you've had rotten luck. There are bigger PSA scores on here but not many. Your treatment is working, so hang in there. The combination of chemo and HT with luck will get your number down to single figures and you will look at life in a more positive light. The main advice I'd give is to get fit, no surplus pounds and maintain that healthy weight (hard to counter the lethargic effect of the HT, but it is doable), adopt a balanced diet ( what's good for your heart will help you fight the PCa)and go at life with a positive attitude.

As to the effects on your prostate, the cells killed off by the treatment will eventually be reabsorbed harmlessly by your body and expelled like any other dead tissue. If you're peeing too often, as the prostate is reduced in size by the treatment you should find this problem eases a lot. Eventually, your prostate will look more like a normal one, when scanned. It is probably mis-shapen and a bit leathery in places now, but this will change.

The Gleason score derives from tissue samples in the biopsy you had. You probably won't have another unless surgery is required at some future date, rather unlikely, I guess. So the Gleason Score is a measure of the aggressiveness of your PCa. In your case the number is not a big one. Mine was 4+5=9, for example. The surviving PCa, after I had my prostate and bladder out after five years showed a Gleason Score of 4+4=8, so it can change; it may vary through the tumour, I suppose.

Good Luck and remember the power of positive thinking!

AC

User
Posted 22 Jan 2018 at 18:16

Thanks to all that replied.... my wife has re-read all the answers several times now lol 👍🏻

User
Posted 25 Jan 2018 at 09:47

Hi Everybody

 

New to this forum and looking for some hints and tips as to coping with my diagnosis.

I am a fit and active 66 year old but noticed some increasing need to urinate and slower flow about 6 months ago; I put this down to getting older but in November visited my GP. He sent me for a blood test and it came back with a PSA of 30! He did a DRE and found some hardening on one side, told me it was cancer and sent me to the Urologist. After a further DRE I was sent for Bone, MRI, and Biopsy. Saw my consultant yesterday who told me it has spread to the bones and I have a Gleason Score of 8. He has put me on Bicalutamide tablets for two weeks to be followed by a course of injections every 12 weeks. He has said once the PSA is down, after about 8 weeks, the oncologist will see me and decide on whether to give chemotherapy. The prognosis is that it can be contained for a few years but not cured.

This is quite scary stuff and feels a bit unreal since I feel well apart from the urinary symptoms. I would be grateful for any help or advice and suggestions for any questions you think I should ask. Thanks Steve S

User
Posted 25 Jan 2018 at 17:44

Steve, you would have been better starting a new string as your needs are quite different from the guy who started this one. I can tell you that your story is typical of many and you will find lots of useful advice by searching against your Gleason Score and treatment options. I just want to say that your thinking should revolve around MANY years and not a few years. Times have changed and many more treatment options are available these days. Stay positive!

AC

User
Posted 25 Jan 2018 at 18:00

Thanks for such a positive response Auld Codger. I am sure I'll find the right string once I get used to the site. It's good to talk. thanks again. Steve

User
Posted 26 Jan 2018 at 10:25

Once your diagnosis is confirmed, and your treatment starts, the initial PSA result ceases to matter - though rises and falls can be important.

The Gleason score - as a measure of the cancer's aggressiveness may influence the options you are offered.

But there's a third point that is vital as treatment starts - the TNM score.

Tumour - T - describes the prostate lesion.
Nodes - N - describes whether the cancer has spread locally to the lymph nodes
Metastases - M - describes whether there is distant spread to unconnected parts of the body.

Mine, for example - at diagnosis - was T3aN0M0 - a 'locally aggressive tumour' that has broken through the prostate capsule, but spread no further, with no nodes involved and no distant spread.

TNM score is determined by all the tests and scans, and can give a (very, very approximate) guide to outcome - but it's important always to remember that we are each unique. There are very good statistics, which predict what a group of people with similar tumours will go through ... but individual experience can vary a lot, as many here have proved.

 
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