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Posted 06 Feb 2018 at 22:11
Hi - new to joining in here although been reading conversations for a while.

I just wondered if anyone was able to offer any thoughts to my husbands recent developments. He underwent radical prostatectomy in February 2015 and after 18 months of 0.01 PSA readings he has had five small increases over the last year. When we met with his consultant before Christmas he was keen for him to start radiotherapy in the new year even though he is still only on 0.08. We were a little shocked so he agreed to wait another 3 months but keen to then start after that. We know that PET scans won't pick anything up at this level but consultant explained that consecutive rises indicated recurrence and they were keen to treat. I know my husband is concerned about the treatment and further damage to urinary and ED side of things so would like to put off treatment for as long as possible. These are obviously concerns of mine too as we are both still young. I tend to do all my worrying at night as we both try to be very positive with each other but have realised there is a lot of support out there from others going through similar experiences. I wish I had read and joined way back at the beginning.

Thanks in advance for anyone able to offer any thoughts.

User
Posted 12 Mar 2018 at 09:28
Annette

I had the psma scan. My oncologist usually does 32 sessions of radiotherapy, but she can do 37 to include the nodes and upper prostate bed. My psma scan showed cells in the nodes and so that would have been completely missed if I had had the 32 days. So, ask the consultant how many sessions and what is being blasted. If 37, then I'd save the money. Like Lyn says, it is unlikely to be anywhere else with such a low PSA.

I'm also on HT, initially for six months. I'm tired and I think I've had a few mini hot flushes, but that's it so far. Only two weeks in though - taking bicalutimide tablet daily. I want to beat this so am content to be on HT - but the side effects might get worse over time.

Ulsterman

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Posted 06 Feb 2018 at 22:46

If the rises are consistent then the next test will be at or above 0.1 - you could wait until it gets to 0.2 which is technically a biochemical recurrence but as you say, you are a young couple and all the research says the sooner you start salvage HT/RT the better the outcome. It might be a bit scary to agree to but the alternative could be that you don't have him long enough to become an old couple.

Edited by member 07 Mar 2018 at 00:14  | Reason: Not specified

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 07 Feb 2018 at 07:13

I rejected RT three times after surgery at the age of 48 but my histology is way different to yours. My post op psa was 1.5 and rapidly doubling. It had also spread to my lymph nodes and they guessed beyond. They didn’t offer cure with RT , they just wanted to throw the kitchen sink at me. In your case it seems you have obvious TINY areas of cancer still left in that area , so RT could be a totally curative path still for you. Easy for me to say as I didn’t even want the surgery I was so scared of ED and incontinence , but now you’ve got this far .......
I 100% sympathise as ED etc changed my life tbh

User
Posted 07 Feb 2018 at 08:15

I'm in the same boat as your hubby.  Radical prostatectomy in December 2016.  January 2017 PSA 0.014.  June 0.014.  September 0.02  January 2018 0.023.

My PSA is low but is showing an upward trend, or, as my oncologist phrases it, I have persistent PSA.  Histology upgraded me to T3b and Gleason 9.  I'm 47 years old.  So, it's off to radiotherapy for me.

My oncologist wanted a scan to see if it would pick up anything.  Although I accept that it is unlikely to pick anything up, I'm having a PSMA PET scan today.  Incredibly, the NHS agreed to fund this for me.  However, organising it through the NHS has proven to be impossible so I'm off to the private London Clinic today and will pay myself.  Probably a waste of money, but maybe I'll be contributing to medical science.

I don't want radiotherapy and I'm having to have it a lot sooner than I would have hoped.  But I'm reconciled to it.  Just hoping I don't need hormone therapy as well.

Best of luck to your hubby.

Ulsterman

User
Posted 07 Feb 2018 at 08:51
I’m 48, had a radical prostatectomy in 2014, PSA over past year rose to 0.1 then 0.2

It’s a disappointing and difficult situation to be sure but if it still offers a cure then the hope of growing old with my lovely wife and kids is worth trying for

I’m currently sitting in the waiting area about to have my very first of 33 radiotherapy treatments as I type..................

Edited by member 08 Feb 2018 at 14:34  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 07 Feb 2018 at 10:27
Hello Annette,

I'm on a similar path to your husband. I had RP July 2015. Since then my PSA has steadily risen from 0.02 to 0.08.At that point my surgeon said that if the next test returned >0.1 we may have to consider radiotherapy. Last month it did indeed go higher at 0.12. He has referred me to Oncologist whom I see next week. The often mentioned opinion that early SRT intervention with such cases has has a better chance of a favourable outcome has encouraged me. I've made a real effort not to allow this damned thing to take over my life and have been able to do so by keeping a focus on positives such as this. Don't forget the specialist nurses from this site can offer so much information and reassurance that members find invaluable. All the best to you and your husband .Take care.

Paul

User
Posted 07 Feb 2018 at 19:42

Hi I had RP in Feb 2013. Post op PSA was 0.06. By July 2013 it had rose to 0.087. So I had RT in Aug/Sept 2013

Over 31/2 years it knocked the PSA down to 0.01. Fluctuating slightly now but the last reading was 0.03. So still lower than my post op PSA

Bri

User
Posted 07 Feb 2018 at 22:32
Hi Kayakerbill - best of luck with your treatment. Hope it goes well.

Annette

User
Posted 11 Mar 2018 at 22:27

Not sure that it is worth paying for a PET scan at this point - small consistent rises as you are having are a classic sign of tiny amounts of cancer left behind in the prostate bed. If it was cancer elsewhere you would have been unlikely to get the undetectable post-op result and/or there would have been sharp rises rather than small steady ones.

As for the HT, it will be important that your man and the onco agree this together but you need to be aware that salvage RT is much more successful if it is given with hormones, and that the longer the HT the better the outcome. I do understand why he would be anxious but speaking as someone whose OH gave up the hormones early, I would have been pusher if the research data had been available at the time.

You are assuming the PSA will be on or above 0.1 this time and will presumably be referred to an oncologist after the 21st? Ask whether they intend to do a scan prior to the RT to check where the RT should be targeted. No harm asking.

Edited by member 11 Mar 2018 at 22:29  | Reason: Not specified

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 06 Feb 2018 at 22:46

If the rises are consistent then the next test will be at or above 0.1 - you could wait until it gets to 0.2 which is technically a biochemical recurrence but as you say, you are a young couple and all the research says the sooner you start salvage HT/RT the better the outcome. It might be a bit scary to agree to but the alternative could be that you don't have him long enough to become an old couple.

Edited by member 07 Mar 2018 at 00:14  | Reason: Not specified

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 07 Feb 2018 at 07:13

I rejected RT three times after surgery at the age of 48 but my histology is way different to yours. My post op psa was 1.5 and rapidly doubling. It had also spread to my lymph nodes and they guessed beyond. They didn’t offer cure with RT , they just wanted to throw the kitchen sink at me. In your case it seems you have obvious TINY areas of cancer still left in that area , so RT could be a totally curative path still for you. Easy for me to say as I didn’t even want the surgery I was so scared of ED and incontinence , but now you’ve got this far .......
I 100% sympathise as ED etc changed my life tbh

User
Posted 07 Feb 2018 at 08:15

I'm in the same boat as your hubby.  Radical prostatectomy in December 2016.  January 2017 PSA 0.014.  June 0.014.  September 0.02  January 2018 0.023.

My PSA is low but is showing an upward trend, or, as my oncologist phrases it, I have persistent PSA.  Histology upgraded me to T3b and Gleason 9.  I'm 47 years old.  So, it's off to radiotherapy for me.

My oncologist wanted a scan to see if it would pick up anything.  Although I accept that it is unlikely to pick anything up, I'm having a PSMA PET scan today.  Incredibly, the NHS agreed to fund this for me.  However, organising it through the NHS has proven to be impossible so I'm off to the private London Clinic today and will pay myself.  Probably a waste of money, but maybe I'll be contributing to medical science.

I don't want radiotherapy and I'm having to have it a lot sooner than I would have hoped.  But I'm reconciled to it.  Just hoping I don't need hormone therapy as well.

Best of luck to your hubby.

Ulsterman

User
Posted 07 Feb 2018 at 08:51
I’m 48, had a radical prostatectomy in 2014, PSA over past year rose to 0.1 then 0.2

It’s a disappointing and difficult situation to be sure but if it still offers a cure then the hope of growing old with my lovely wife and kids is worth trying for

I’m currently sitting in the waiting area about to have my very first of 33 radiotherapy treatments as I type..................

Edited by member 08 Feb 2018 at 14:34  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 07 Feb 2018 at 10:27
Hello Annette,

I'm on a similar path to your husband. I had RP July 2015. Since then my PSA has steadily risen from 0.02 to 0.08.At that point my surgeon said that if the next test returned >0.1 we may have to consider radiotherapy. Last month it did indeed go higher at 0.12. He has referred me to Oncologist whom I see next week. The often mentioned opinion that early SRT intervention with such cases has has a better chance of a favourable outcome has encouraged me. I've made a real effort not to allow this damned thing to take over my life and have been able to do so by keeping a focus on positives such as this. Don't forget the specialist nurses from this site can offer so much information and reassurance that members find invaluable. All the best to you and your husband .Take care.

Paul

User
Posted 07 Feb 2018 at 19:42

Hi I had RP in Feb 2013. Post op PSA was 0.06. By July 2013 it had rose to 0.087. So I had RT in Aug/Sept 2013

Over 31/2 years it knocked the PSA down to 0.01. Fluctuating slightly now but the last reading was 0.03. So still lower than my post op PSA

Bri

User
Posted 07 Feb 2018 at 22:24
Thanks for your reply. Sorry to hear you are in the same boat. Would be interested to hear how the results of your scan go.

Best of luck with your radiotherapy treatment. Maybe we can swap notes as to how you are coping!

User
Posted 07 Feb 2018 at 22:32
Hi Kayakerbill - best of luck with your treatment. Hope it goes well.

Annette

User
Posted 07 Mar 2018 at 00:15

Hi Net, just wondering how you are getting on? Have you had the new PSA result yet?

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 11 Mar 2018 at 21:55
Thanks for asking Lyn. Blood test was Thursday so results Tuesday or Wednesday and then consultant on 21st March. Trying to do lots of research about options as feel last time round just went with what we were told. Would be interested to here about anyone's thoughts on receiving both RT and HT together. This was first discussed and then last time consultant said hubby could do just RT as I know hubby is concerned about effects of HT.

Also views on paying for a PSMA PET scan?

Thanks in advance to all - Annette

User
Posted 11 Mar 2018 at 22:27

Not sure that it is worth paying for a PET scan at this point - small consistent rises as you are having are a classic sign of tiny amounts of cancer left behind in the prostate bed. If it was cancer elsewhere you would have been unlikely to get the undetectable post-op result and/or there would have been sharp rises rather than small steady ones.

As for the HT, it will be important that your man and the onco agree this together but you need to be aware that salvage RT is much more successful if it is given with hormones, and that the longer the HT the better the outcome. I do understand why he would be anxious but speaking as someone whose OH gave up the hormones early, I would have been pusher if the research data had been available at the time.

You are assuming the PSA will be on or above 0.1 this time and will presumably be referred to an oncologist after the 21st? Ask whether they intend to do a scan prior to the RT to check where the RT should be targeted. No harm asking.

Edited by member 11 Mar 2018 at 22:29  | Reason: Not specified

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 12 Mar 2018 at 09:28
Annette

I had the psma scan. My oncologist usually does 32 sessions of radiotherapy, but she can do 37 to include the nodes and upper prostate bed. My psma scan showed cells in the nodes and so that would have been completely missed if I had had the 32 days. So, ask the consultant how many sessions and what is being blasted. If 37, then I'd save the money. Like Lyn says, it is unlikely to be anywhere else with such a low PSA.

I'm also on HT, initially for six months. I'm tired and I think I've had a few mini hot flushes, but that's it so far. Only two weeks in though - taking bicalutimide tablet daily. I want to beat this so am content to be on HT - but the side effects might get worse over time.

Ulsterman

 
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