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Posted 02 May 2018 at 19:39

Can anyone advise me on their experience with the various forms of prostate treatment.  It seems NHS specialists wont commit to advising any specific treatment for my cancer, they just keep explaining all options from total removal to active surveillance. 

I want my cancer dealt with so active surveillance isn't really  an option

Grateful for any advice on treatment.

Cheers

User
Posted 03 May 2018 at 17:31

Hi again, it's a difficult time when you are spoilt for choice. I agonised for ages, along the lines of:

Wait and see.  but the chances were never going to improve, and it's not in my nature. Took 5 seconds to reject.

 

Surgery  Pain and incontinence are possible?  With all the surgeries I've had, it's taken years or months to recover. The chance of permanent incontinence is not an option in my world, so rejected.

 

Radiotherapy.  I chose this option because it doesn't have the risks above. I was led to believe that this was a one shot option, if it didn't work, then there's nothing more to be done. I kept second guessing myself and worrying if I'd made a mistake, so I rang and have a wonderful chat with the specialist nurse at the urology department. She patiently explained "OF course, there is something else we can do". What we can't do is give you another dose of radiotherapy, but we CAN control it with hormones, or if that doesn't work, we've got other drugs. This control could well be effective for many years. Plus whose to say if further surgery will be successful.

 

So choice made! I got on with it.

Some months of pills and injections were needed before radiotherapy started. Not particularly nice, with hot flushes, spells of fatigue, and putting on weight. There are things you can do to control this, but I think it's something to be aware of.

Then off for radiotherapy. 20 days, ie 4 weeks Mon to Friday. You soon get into the rythym of arriving at the appointed time with empty bowels and full (ish) bladder. For the first few days, I had a pessary to insert, but if I had my time again I'd just have a bowl of bran instead.

On the odd day about a week into the treatment, I had loose bowels, but the actual RT was  non event, just lie on the table for 5 minutes and let the pretty nurses fuss around you, the equipment whines for about a minute, then it's "see you tomorrow"

You meet the same gang of daft old men each time, waiting their turn, having a laugh and pulling each others legs.

After 20 weeks, you get to ring the bell , and everybody cheers and wishes you well.

The treatment ended 4 or 5 weeks ago, the hormone treatment still affects me slightly, but I feel more energetic every day. Within a few days, it felt like it never happened.

Recovery has been almost another non event, I get just a slight increase in urgency to go for a number one.

Whilst a decision is an entirely personal matter, I'm very happy with my choice, and I'll live with the consequences. The consultant looked at my scan with me and his last words were, " we expect to cure this one, we aren't trying to control it", which is encouraging.

I'll know if he's right in 6 months time, when we check my PSA.

There are no guarantees in life, but you are starting from a better position than I, you have every reason to be confident. I wish you luck!

Edited by member 03 May 2018 at 17:43  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 03 May 2018 at 18:12

You won’t necessarily know in 6 months - it usually takes 18 months to get to your nadir. Don’t be disappointed if the PSA hasn’t dropped as low as you hoped.

Edited by member 03 May 2018 at 19:23  | Reason: Not specified

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 03 May 2018 at 19:38

It's good to feel optimistic about treatment but not over confident. Unfortunately, in some cases it becomes apparent relatively soon after a radical treatment that a further intervention is required but this can also happen years afterwards which can be devastating, particularly when it looked like a man had done well. Many men have only one treatment, mostly one of the types of surgery or forms of radiation, perhaps combined with HT and this is all they ever need. It's a matter of luck really but chances of long term survival are clearly better if your cancer is found early, it is the type of PCa that responds well to treatment and this is well administered. Most people find that having made their treatment choice which can be daunting, much of the weight on their shoulders is removed. Then have radical treatment (if you don't want or are unsuitable for active surveillance) and be aware further treatment may be necessary at some point but not to the extent that worrying about it overmuch robs you of quality time.

Barry
User
Posted 04 May 2018 at 11:59
Hi there,

Won’t go into masses of detail as not sure how relevant you will see it to your position. We are all in slightly different positions and only individuals can finally decide what is best for them. I have had the robotic prostatectomy on the 10th April and am very pleased where I am at this time. I was Gleason 3 plus 4 and seemingly cancer contained within the gland. I am 60 and was told that my age was with me for such an operation. In theory, take it out and it is gone. I await final results on the 23rd I have had NO continence problems at all, touch wood an£ hope it will stay like that.

My care and treatment has been first class.

Hope this helps in some way.

Jes

User
Posted 10 May 2018 at 20:12

It may be months or even years before Jezzer knows that, JRLT

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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User
Posted 02 May 2018 at 21:14

Have your tests been completed, ie the biopsies, and have your gleason score?

It's only after that can you be advised on wether surgery or radiology is possible in your case.

My gleason score was 7, and all options were offered to me during meetings with radiology and surgical consultants.

My biggest fear was either short term or long term incontinence, so I rejected surgery. like you, I wanted it sorted, so active surveillance was rejected.

So I went for radiology, which apart from minor inconvienience, was a non event. Wether it has  been successful, I shall know in 6  months.

Edited by member 02 May 2018 at 21:56  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 02 May 2018 at 22:01

Download the toolkit - or phone the number at the top of the web page and order a copy. It sets out the pros and cons of each treatment. Only you can decide which option is right for you.

My advice would be to prioritise the treatment that gives you the best chance of a good outcome with the side effects you think you are most willing to live with or risk.

Edited by member 02 May 2018 at 23:22  | Reason: Not specified

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 02 May 2018 at 23:14
Hi, I was keen to have it removed as well. Presumably you've been advised of the risks with each treatment. I've written an account of my operation as linked below. There are other pages on the menu above it. I've no regrets at all and after a couple of months recovery period have lived fairly normally except I need to do pelvix exercises to maintain continence, my erection is very poor although I've refused treatment and you can't ejeculate, which is something I wouldn't have minded earlier.

link to my prostatectomy operation

User
Posted 03 May 2018 at 12:14

Thanks Tyke

Yes had the full circus, Gleason 6, 5mm tumor so caught it early hopefully.  The options given to me are the full range.  They wont suggest the most appropriate treatment because if it doesn't work it makes them liable I am told.  As we know there are down sides with what ever we choose.  I feel full removal is drastic however I understand if I have radiotherapy of any kind and it comes back it is very hard to remove the prostate with out serious consequences.  I would love to know success rates for my kind of cancer and treatment given.

At this stage I am interested in Brachytherepy or cyber knife

How long since you had your treatment?  What side effects are you experiencing?  

Cheers

User
Posted 03 May 2018 at 14:57

Hello JRLT,
I had Cyberknife treatment, 5 sessions over 10 days in January this year. I started with PSA level of 10.4 in September 2017, which triggered more sophisticated diagnosis, level is now 1.43. Next PSA test in 3 months, the oncologist is expecting the downward trend to continue, if it does, I won't be tested until a further 6 months. I am due an MRI scan in March 2019.
If you would like to know more about the treatment, the preparations and the after-effects, I have written about this previously, search 'Recent Diagnosis & Separation'. I am happy to give you further detail if you wish. You can DM me.
Here is the link:
https://community.prostatecanceruk.org/posts/t13290-Recent-diagnosis-and-separation#post170242

Pale Rider

User
Posted 03 May 2018 at 17:31

Hi again, it's a difficult time when you are spoilt for choice. I agonised for ages, along the lines of:

Wait and see.  but the chances were never going to improve, and it's not in my nature. Took 5 seconds to reject.

 

Surgery  Pain and incontinence are possible?  With all the surgeries I've had, it's taken years or months to recover. The chance of permanent incontinence is not an option in my world, so rejected.

 

Radiotherapy.  I chose this option because it doesn't have the risks above. I was led to believe that this was a one shot option, if it didn't work, then there's nothing more to be done. I kept second guessing myself and worrying if I'd made a mistake, so I rang and have a wonderful chat with the specialist nurse at the urology department. She patiently explained "OF course, there is something else we can do". What we can't do is give you another dose of radiotherapy, but we CAN control it with hormones, or if that doesn't work, we've got other drugs. This control could well be effective for many years. Plus whose to say if further surgery will be successful.

 

So choice made! I got on with it.

Some months of pills and injections were needed before radiotherapy started. Not particularly nice, with hot flushes, spells of fatigue, and putting on weight. There are things you can do to control this, but I think it's something to be aware of.

Then off for radiotherapy. 20 days, ie 4 weeks Mon to Friday. You soon get into the rythym of arriving at the appointed time with empty bowels and full (ish) bladder. For the first few days, I had a pessary to insert, but if I had my time again I'd just have a bowl of bran instead.

On the odd day about a week into the treatment, I had loose bowels, but the actual RT was  non event, just lie on the table for 5 minutes and let the pretty nurses fuss around you, the equipment whines for about a minute, then it's "see you tomorrow"

You meet the same gang of daft old men each time, waiting their turn, having a laugh and pulling each others legs.

After 20 weeks, you get to ring the bell , and everybody cheers and wishes you well.

The treatment ended 4 or 5 weeks ago, the hormone treatment still affects me slightly, but I feel more energetic every day. Within a few days, it felt like it never happened.

Recovery has been almost another non event, I get just a slight increase in urgency to go for a number one.

Whilst a decision is an entirely personal matter, I'm very happy with my choice, and I'll live with the consequences. The consultant looked at my scan with me and his last words were, " we expect to cure this one, we aren't trying to control it", which is encouraging.

I'll know if he's right in 6 months time, when we check my PSA.

There are no guarantees in life, but you are starting from a better position than I, you have every reason to be confident. I wish you luck!

Edited by member 03 May 2018 at 17:43  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 03 May 2018 at 18:12

You won’t necessarily know in 6 months - it usually takes 18 months to get to your nadir. Don’t be disappointed if the PSA hasn’t dropped as low as you hoped.

Edited by member 03 May 2018 at 19:23  | Reason: Not specified

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 03 May 2018 at 19:03

Thanks Lynn, I'll worry even less about the 6 month result, if it's possible to worry even less than very little😉

User
Posted 03 May 2018 at 19:38

It's good to feel optimistic about treatment but not over confident. Unfortunately, in some cases it becomes apparent relatively soon after a radical treatment that a further intervention is required but this can also happen years afterwards which can be devastating, particularly when it looked like a man had done well. Many men have only one treatment, mostly one of the types of surgery or forms of radiation, perhaps combined with HT and this is all they ever need. It's a matter of luck really but chances of long term survival are clearly better if your cancer is found early, it is the type of PCa that responds well to treatment and this is well administered. Most people find that having made their treatment choice which can be daunting, much of the weight on their shoulders is removed. Then have radical treatment (if you don't want or are unsuitable for active surveillance) and be aware further treatment may be necessary at some point but not to the extent that worrying about it overmuch robs you of quality time.

Barry
User
Posted 04 May 2018 at 11:59
Hi there,

Won’t go into masses of detail as not sure how relevant you will see it to your position. We are all in slightly different positions and only individuals can finally decide what is best for them. I have had the robotic prostatectomy on the 10th April and am very pleased where I am at this time. I was Gleason 3 plus 4 and seemingly cancer contained within the gland. I am 60 and was told that my age was with me for such an operation. In theory, take it out and it is gone. I await final results on the 23rd I have had NO continence problems at all, touch wood an£ hope it will stay like that.

My care and treatment has been first class.

Hope this helps in some way.

Jes

User
Posted 10 May 2018 at 13:16

Thanks Jezzer for your post most interesting.  Do you have any side effects? Will you need to take medication for the bedroom?

User
Posted 10 May 2018 at 20:12

It may be months or even years before Jezzer knows that, JRLT

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

 
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