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Posted 30 May 2018 at 15:49

i Have recently found out that my dad has prostate cancer I found out Thursday last week whilst he has know since the 1 may.

i took him to the doctors because as a family we believed that he was starting with dimensa ....this was back in March. After believing that my dad was with holding the truth from me and him living on his own I decided to call the doctor and was told this bombshell.

thr doctor is allowed to discuss this with me so there is no problem there.... but my dad I feel will not tell me the truth for fear of upsetting me, and although the truthmay be hard to take I have to Know 

if anyone can advise to me what these figures mean I would be grateful 

adenocarinoma of the prostate Gleason 3+3=6 on the right side inv 2 cores 5%of core length and 4+5=9 on the left involving all cores 80%of core length

psa of 39

t3 of 60cc

i just want a straight answer so that I can process myself and then get my head  round it

sorry that this is so factual but atm is so hard to accept 

thanks to all

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Posted 30 May 2018 at 16:49

Neens, I'd strongly urge you to phone the specialist nurses on the freephone number on this site. They'll be able to give you a lot more information.

Basically, though, an "adenocarinoma" means a malignant tumour, and "T3" means it's broken through the walls of the prostate capsule and may have spread into the vessels that carry seminal fluid.

When a biopsy is done, they extract a number of "cores" from both sides of the prostate gland. These cores are about the length of a matchstick, but much thinner. So saying that 80% of it was cancerous, for example, means that when they examined a core under a microscope, 80% of the cells in the core were cancer cells.

The "Gleason" score is a sum of two numbers between 3 and 5 which show how "active" the cancer cells are. The first of the two numbers shows the activity of the majority of the cells, the second the activity of the most active cells. So 3+3 is as inactive as it gets, but 4+5 is a lot more active.

So in this case, the right side of the prostate has a small amount of inactive cancer, but the left side has a large amount of quite active cancer.

Hope this helps, but PLEASE phone the nurses - they can tell you a lot more.

Chris

 

Edited by member 30 May 2018 at 17:02  | Reason: Not specified

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Posted 30 May 2018 at 22:37

Chris,

thank u so much for taking time to make this make some sense to me.... atm I can’t actually take In the c word it is my worst fear but I am going to Salford with my dad next week so then I will have a much better understanding 

neens 

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Posted 30 May 2018 at 23:40

Active and inactive is not really the most accurate difference between the Gleason scores although it could in some cases be true. As the Gleason score rises it means that the cancer cells have mutated increasingly further from normal cells and are likely to be more aggressive. Let's hope Dad's cancer has not spread. Unfortunately, Dad has a large Prostate and quite a lot of cancer in the left side. It is possible the Dad may be started on Hormone Therapy to help restrain his cancer and help shrink the tumour maybe with the possibility of External Beam radiation to follow although some surgeons are prepared to operate sometimes with supplemental RT. Tweaks to treatment are evolving but treatment offered will vary with individual circumstances. PCa can be very unpredictable with some me like your Dad or in a worse situation than him sometimes doing very well, whereas sometimes men with apparently lesser diagnosis may not do so well. However, there are more down the line treatments now should these be necessary that further 'buy' yet more time, albeit with varying side effects. So hopefully Dad will still be around for a long time.

Edited by member 30 May 2018 at 23:40  | Reason: Not specified

Barry
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Posted 31 May 2018 at 10:29

Thanks Barry,

so Can this cancer be cured or will  always be there and possibly pop up in other places

User
Posted 31 May 2018 at 11:04
I don’t think anyone here is qualified to answer that, and I hope you took Chris’s advice and called the specialist nurses’ hotline.

Good luck with the specialist next week when you can pose that question then.

User
Posted 31 May 2018 at 11:17
How old is your Dad? For older men, the general approach would generally be to keep it in check with, as Barry said, perhaps a combination of hormone therapy and radio therapy. An awful lot of men die with prostate cancer, not from it. I know it's a worrying time for you, but please don't assume the worst! Your Dad will have been referred to a multi-disciplinary team (MDT) following diagnosis, and they will discuss his case and probably offer a range of different treatment options. Once you know the range of treatment options, you can download a wealth of information from this site which will tell you exactly what each treatment entails, and what its likely benefits and side effects will be and, as I said in my first post, the nurses here are absolutely wonderful and will be happy to talk things through and make sense of it all for you.

The important message is that you're not alone. There are many people on this site who know exactly what you're going through, and will give you all the support you need, so stick around!

Very best wishes to you and your Dad,

Chris

User
Posted 31 May 2018 at 11:46

I don't think Dad's consultant can give a definitive answer to your question now or maybe even later, yet alone a specialist nurse. Each case has to be considered individually. What we can say is that some men are 'cured' following treatment although the term 'in remission' is preferred, for many years before a man is really regarded as being cured. Much depends on how early the cancer is discovered, the type of Prostate Cancer, how well treatment is administered and how the individual responds to it. Unfortunately, PCa apparently eradicated or dormant has the potential to become a problem months or even years later, so may require further treatment. However Dad responds to his treatment he is going to have to be monitored regularly for a a very long time, with at least PSA tests.

I think you would find it very helpful to obtain a copy of the 'Toolkit' that can be downloaded or is available from the publications section of this charity. It gives not only a good overview of PCa but a run down of various treatments, (though not all will be available or appropriate to every patient).

Edited by member 31 May 2018 at 12:07  | Reason: Afterthought

Barry
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Posted 31 May 2018 at 12:58

Hi Neens,

I echo what the others have said. Speak to the specialist nurses and read the excellent information on this site. 

My best wishes to you and your Dad,

Denise

Edited by member 31 May 2018 at 13:55  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 31 May 2018 at 23:09

Thank you so much 

I intend to it appears I found something to gain comfort in and to then later share my experiences with others in my position

thank you all so much x 

User
Posted 08 Jun 2018 at 10:10

Thank you to everyone, felt the need to put this on now as we have seen the consultan, and I understand s little better now.

My dad has a strange sized prostate all 6 biopsy’s on one side are positive for cancer and his psa level is high as well .... all indications of high risk cancer.

The way forward at present is hormone injections for the next 2 years with 20 days of consecutive radio treatment. Obviously all the while keeping a close eye on him.

Whilst we have been told they do not think that this is going to be cureable, they are looking to try in the hopeto contain it.

Cancer is a really scary word... (still is to a degree)... however understanding the word and learning to use it in my vocabulary (now without a tear running down my face) has helped somuch.

As a family we are strong, like many been dealt a bad card, and been put on this awful rollercoaster of emotions  however smiling laughing and positivity far outway anything

I have found strength through reading peoples stories in here 

thank you All x c

User
Posted 08 Jun 2018 at 10:28

Hello Neens, sorry to hear about your Dad’s diagnosis.

Having had a biopsy what is his Gleason score? Are the tumours anywhere near the edge of the capsule?

Has he had an MRI or a bone scan and if so what were the results?

The results of these scans and tests will maybe explain why they think he is incurable.

Best wishes,

Ian

 

Ido4

User
Posted 08 Jun 2018 at 11:47

It's all in the first post, Ido - one side 3+3 and dispersed, the other 4+5, all cores and 80% of core length, T3. Bone scan must have been clear since they are offering what they say is hopefully curative treatment

Edited by member 08 Jun 2018 at 11:49  | Reason: Not specified

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 08 Jun 2018 at 12:11

The bone scan does appear to be clear but due to the microscopic particles.... (can’t recall the medical te) the possibilities are it may be there  due to the high Gleason score.

 

 
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