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Posted 13 Jun 2018 at 21:51

I just wanted to find out if many men have given alternatives ago? For example cannibis oil? 

Also I know tumeric extract, pomegranates, organic grapes, frozen lemons (including the peel), dandelion root, green tea, omega 3 and many more.

I just wanted to find out what people think about using alternatives and if anyone has? 

Thank you,

Loo loo 

User
Posted 14 Jun 2018 at 01:00
Steve Jobs - multi-millionaire, able to buy the best prostate cancer treatment in the world - rejected all traditional treatments in favour of alternative therapies. He died.

There is some research now on things like pomegranate, garlic / alium, broccoli, soya and oily fish helping men with advanced PCa by slowing progression but only in conjunction with mainstream treatments. If you are interested in supportive diet, treat yourself to the Prostate Care Cookbook by the Prostate Cancer Research Foundation (avaialble on Amazon) which explains the differences between research on diet for curative PCa, advanced PCa and for boys and young men to protect them from PCa in the future.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 14 Jun 2018 at 07:12
I agree with all the above - conventional consultant led treatment first, then top up with other random self meds as felt necessary, though always check with the consultant first to make sure it doesn't negate the main treatment. Cannabis oil is so unknown - what size does, THC or CBD, how often, how is it taken, what strength etc. Very uncertain!

I've tried the turmeric approach, but it's not for me. Others love it. My only additions are Vitamin D3 50ug and aspirin 75mg daily. Who's to know if it helps?!

User
Posted 15 Jun 2018 at 20:22

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

I completely agree with the above posts. Thought Steve Jobs died of pancreatic cancer not prostate cancer. Apologies for being so pedantic! 

 

Not pedantic - I am glad of the correction as I always thought it had been PCa. There was a thread on here about him at the time he died; it provoked a lot of discussion about the Plant diet. 

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 15 Jun 2018 at 21:29
It's one thing to use "alternative remedies" to deal with symptoms (eg I know acupuncture works really well as a method of pain relief for some), but I think you'd need to be a complete fruitcake to reject mainstream medical care in favour of "alternatives" when it comes to curative treatments!

Chris

User
Posted 15 Jun 2018 at 22:04
Not sure about alternative meds but since Gary’s been on low dose of sleeping pills he’s stopped snoring 😴

I think I’ve benefited more then him

Debby

User
Posted 19 Jun 2018 at 18:35

Chemo doesn’t necessarily make the PSA fall so don’t panic if the number stays the same or even goes up a bit - it is the cancer cells screaming an objection to being attacked.

The hormones should however bring the PSA down quite rapidly - has he actually started on hormones? 

 

Edited by member 19 Jun 2018 at 18:37  | Reason: Not specified

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 19 Jun 2018 at 19:56

Thank you for your reply he has finished his course of hormones and had one intense session of radiotherapy on his back as it has spread just to his lower back but every where else is cancer free, Chemo is starting next month. 

We didn’t want to know the grade of cancer or life span as they predict it. I don’t believe someone even a doctor can give a time scale on life. I do believe a lot of it is your mind set and well being along with the correct treatment and any alternatives that help. 

Loo loo 

 

User
Posted 14 Oct 2018 at 09:55

There's no such thing as 'alternative' medicine only medicine that works and medicine that doesn't. When something is proven to work it just becomes medicine. I'd recommend Quack Watch to help sort the wheat from the chaff. There are way too many quacks and charlatans peddling nonsense to cancer patients. At best they do nothing to help at worst they cause grave harm.

User
Posted 13 Jun 2018 at 23:56

Tumeric is meant to be good, my OH was diagnosed last November and he is trying it but we will probably never know if it works or not as this cancer is so variable from person to person. I did check with the Oncologist first to make sure it would not affect any treatment he was given, she said it was OK for him.

I would always make sure that any 'natural' or alternative therapies are OK with the consultant first, especially herbal medicine as some can have a negative impact on other treatment.

I would definitely not take anything like cannabis oil in place of Hormone Treatment or Chemo if it is offered, despite what you read on the internet about it being a miracle cure, there is no medical evidence to back these claims.

I am all for alternative medicine, but not at the cost of conventional medicine, especially with something as serious as this.

User
Posted 14 Jun 2018 at 12:41

I completely agree with the above posts. Thought Steve Jobs died of pancreatic cancer not prostate cancer. Apologies for being so pedantic! 

 

My husband takes daily aspirin, calcium plus D3 and glucosamine but he checked with his specialist prior to taking them

User
Posted 15 Jun 2018 at 10:28
I also support the medical view there is no effective 'alternative treatment' to the recognised medical ones. However, certain 'supplemental' dietry things may help. Some consultants consider Pom juice worth trying and tomatoes, especially fried are advocated by some amongst other foods. Best to run anything by your consultant though if making changes.
Barry
User
Posted 15 Jun 2018 at 22:08

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
It's one thing to use "alternative remedies" to deal with symptoms (eg I know acupuncture works really well as a method of pain relief for some), but I think you'd need to be a complete fruitcake to reject mainstream medical care in favour of "alternatives" when it comes to curative treatments!

Chris

 

Our hospital provides acupuncture for men on HT to reduce the impact of hot flushes. Well, it used to but the funding has just been cut. 

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 14 Oct 2018 at 11:07

It is fine to see that I am not alone with my view point that alternative medicines have no potential to cure, and only make desperate people to be fooled.

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User
Posted 13 Jun 2018 at 23:56

Tumeric is meant to be good, my OH was diagnosed last November and he is trying it but we will probably never know if it works or not as this cancer is so variable from person to person. I did check with the Oncologist first to make sure it would not affect any treatment he was given, she said it was OK for him.

I would always make sure that any 'natural' or alternative therapies are OK with the consultant first, especially herbal medicine as some can have a negative impact on other treatment.

I would definitely not take anything like cannabis oil in place of Hormone Treatment or Chemo if it is offered, despite what you read on the internet about it being a miracle cure, there is no medical evidence to back these claims.

I am all for alternative medicine, but not at the cost of conventional medicine, especially with something as serious as this.

User
Posted 14 Jun 2018 at 01:00
Steve Jobs - multi-millionaire, able to buy the best prostate cancer treatment in the world - rejected all traditional treatments in favour of alternative therapies. He died.

There is some research now on things like pomegranate, garlic / alium, broccoli, soya and oily fish helping men with advanced PCa by slowing progression but only in conjunction with mainstream treatments. If you are interested in supportive diet, treat yourself to the Prostate Care Cookbook by the Prostate Cancer Research Foundation (avaialble on Amazon) which explains the differences between research on diet for curative PCa, advanced PCa and for boys and young men to protect them from PCa in the future.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 14 Jun 2018 at 07:12
I agree with all the above - conventional consultant led treatment first, then top up with other random self meds as felt necessary, though always check with the consultant first to make sure it doesn't negate the main treatment. Cannabis oil is so unknown - what size does, THC or CBD, how often, how is it taken, what strength etc. Very uncertain!

I've tried the turmeric approach, but it's not for me. Others love it. My only additions are Vitamin D3 50ug and aspirin 75mg daily. Who's to know if it helps?!

User
Posted 14 Jun 2018 at 12:41

I completely agree with the above posts. Thought Steve Jobs died of pancreatic cancer not prostate cancer. Apologies for being so pedantic! 

 

My husband takes daily aspirin, calcium plus D3 and glucosamine but he checked with his specialist prior to taking them

User
Posted 15 Jun 2018 at 09:22

Many studies revailed that alternative treatment don't work. It provides false hope to desperate people against in many cases hughe costs. 

User
Posted 15 Jun 2018 at 10:28
I also support the medical view there is no effective 'alternative treatment' to the recognised medical ones. However, certain 'supplemental' dietry things may help. Some consultants consider Pom juice worth trying and tomatoes, especially fried are advocated by some amongst other foods. Best to run anything by your consultant though if making changes.
Barry
User
Posted 15 Jun 2018 at 20:22

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

I completely agree with the above posts. Thought Steve Jobs died of pancreatic cancer not prostate cancer. Apologies for being so pedantic! 

 

Not pedantic - I am glad of the correction as I always thought it had been PCa. There was a thread on here about him at the time he died; it provoked a lot of discussion about the Plant diet. 

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 15 Jun 2018 at 21:29
It's one thing to use "alternative remedies" to deal with symptoms (eg I know acupuncture works really well as a method of pain relief for some), but I think you'd need to be a complete fruitcake to reject mainstream medical care in favour of "alternatives" when it comes to curative treatments!

Chris

User
Posted 15 Jun 2018 at 22:04
Not sure about alternative meds but since Gary’s been on low dose of sleeping pills he’s stopped snoring 😴

I think I’ve benefited more then him

Debby

User
Posted 15 Jun 2018 at 22:08

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
It's one thing to use "alternative remedies" to deal with symptoms (eg I know acupuncture works really well as a method of pain relief for some), but I think you'd need to be a complete fruitcake to reject mainstream medical care in favour of "alternatives" when it comes to curative treatments!

Chris

 

Our hospital provides acupuncture for men on HT to reduce the impact of hot flushes. Well, it used to but the funding has just been cut. 

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 19 Jun 2018 at 17:46

Thank you for all the responses 

How are people finding chemotherapy? As there is no guarantee of shrinking the cancer I am looking for some positive outcomes? Does your PSA level come down dramatically? 

My Dad starts chemo next month every 21 days. I know every individual reacts differently I am just hoping Dad responds well after all he has age on his side and is also really fit and healthy. All of this is still such a shock to my family, all so much to take in. 

Loo loo 

x

User
Posted 19 Jun 2018 at 18:35

Chemo doesn’t necessarily make the PSA fall so don’t panic if the number stays the same or even goes up a bit - it is the cancer cells screaming an objection to being attacked.

The hormones should however bring the PSA down quite rapidly - has he actually started on hormones? 

 

Edited by member 19 Jun 2018 at 18:37  | Reason: Not specified

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 19 Jun 2018 at 19:56

Thank you for your reply he has finished his course of hormones and had one intense session of radiotherapy on his back as it has spread just to his lower back but every where else is cancer free, Chemo is starting next month. 

We didn’t want to know the grade of cancer or life span as they predict it. I don’t believe someone even a doctor can give a time scale on life. I do believe a lot of it is your mind set and well being along with the correct treatment and any alternatives that help. 

Loo loo 

 

User
Posted 12 Oct 2018 at 15:05

Hi

just looking up on alternatives to ED treatments, has any one heard of a Natural Tablet called "VISWISS"?

if so does it work

 

andy

User
Posted 12 Oct 2018 at 20:01
I reckon they are all a waste of money, but would need extensive testing by you to prove it or not.

But definitely not INSTEAD of proper medication.

User
Posted 12 Oct 2018 at 20:13
You prove it your self with your statement "not instead of proper medication" I am aware that my post here here looks arrogant. It would be very nice that in the alternative circuit cure for this terrible disease could be provided. Unfortunately it never did.
User
Posted 14 Oct 2018 at 09:55

There's no such thing as 'alternative' medicine only medicine that works and medicine that doesn't. When something is proven to work it just becomes medicine. I'd recommend Quack Watch to help sort the wheat from the chaff. There are way too many quacks and charlatans peddling nonsense to cancer patients. At best they do nothing to help at worst they cause grave harm.

User
Posted 14 Oct 2018 at 11:07

It is fine to see that I am not alone with my view point that alternative medicines have no potential to cure, and only make desperate people to be fooled.

User
Posted 14 Oct 2018 at 17:00
I remember my late friend Barry Sheene, the motorcycle racing ace who moved to Australia to try and ameliorate his arthritic pain from numerous crashes and orthopaedic plates and pin interventions.

Whilst there he contracted cancer yet eschewed conventional medicine and instead adopted a diet based on liquefied cabbage, or something similar.

He died........

User
Posted 30 Oct 2018 at 18:17

My father has been dealing with prostate cancer for a couple of years now and is about to begin treatment. Does anybody have any information or personal testimonials about how marijuana has helped you or your loved ones in their battle with cancer or other illnesses? Any information for this strain https://www.gyo.green/fruity-cannabis-strains.html would be much appreciated. I have read many articles suggesting highly concentrated cannabis oil can be effective not only in treatment of symptoms but also in the actual treatment of the cancer itself. Does anybody know if there is any science behind this? I am very familiar with the high and physical effects of cannabis but I cant find any solid conclusive evidence that speaks to its efficacy in eliminating the cancer cells themselves. Any help or personal testimonials is much appreciated. 
Thanks

User
Posted 30 Oct 2018 at 19:51

I will expand on this issue in much greater depth soon but for now, the simple truth why the pharmaceutical industry do not subscribe or approve of alternative treatments whether used individually or in tandem is because it threatens their monopoly of a multi billion pound captive audience industry.

They say that there is a natural cure for all known diseases on this planet. Sadly, we have not found many but just look at the good that Aspirin derived from willow bark did. As Cannabinoid potency and potential is explored further, it is putting the wind up the medical profession and quite rightly so. None of us should solely rely on conventional cut, burn or poison methods but embrace the hope that natural therapies may, I said may, offer.

I will expand further with some excellent resource material members can look at in due course.

Bazza (Bazza)

Edited by member 30 Oct 2018 at 19:53  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 03 Aug 2020 at 05:08

When I was diagnosed with PC in Aug 2015 I tried alternative treatments (but not cannabis based). I tried alternatives because I was concerned about quality of life rather than duration. My elder brother was diagnosed with PC about 5 yrs before me and without hesitation went down the robotic surgery path. I was very concerned about loss of sexual function so investigated alternatives. My wife has a friend who was training in natural health alternatives so I had plenty of information available. Suffice to say I tried a lot of things over 12mths.

Cut out sugar altogether - great way to lose weight I must say. 10kg in 4wks easy. Certainly made everyone think I looked sick. Lol.  Cut out processed foods also.

Tried hyperthermia treatments, lipospheric vit C. PEMF treatments. Multi-wave oscillators. Iodine doses. Herbal. Mental. Etc etc

PSA reading went down gradually from original 7 to about 5 or so for about 6months then began tracking upwards. When it reached 15 I decided it was not working and went down the surgery path.

I dont regret trying all of these alternatives and it was certainly interesting to take responsibility for ones own health.  I felt like a bit of a failure for a while when alternatives didnt work. But realised - dont be stupid no point in getting myself down cos I hadn't managed to find a cure for cancer. Lol.

My final conclusion was the diet changes can do real good I think. If adopted before you have cancer.

For most it is too late by the time you are diagnosed. It also depends on the severity of your disease. Some people do manage natural cures but very few.

The hands-on medical professionals are trying to do the best for you. Sometimes they can be brusque and to the point which can alienate some patients initially. I know I was. But they deal with it every day so they have to be I think and they cant waste time on those who dont take heed.

 
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