thanks, its hard work done bladder training still trying to hold on as long as possible,but sometimes i leek embarassing looks like i will have to start wearing pads,i have always just used tissues pads are bulky,have to see gp again to see if there is anything else besides tolterodine,when the gp prescribed them he said they only work for a few months anyway,thats why i have been doing bladder training.i think i will just have to put up with getting up 4 times a night. lyn,regarding supplements none of them are diuretic except the green tea in pomi-t which i have been taking a long time,also modified citrus pectin, dim,probiotics, milk thistle,b12 oral spray,digest enzymes ,vit k2.all of which i have been taking for a long time all reccomended dosages,stopped vit d a while ago now on gps orders because my vit d level was high 5000iu daily.cheers.