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Posted 29 Sep 2018 at 18:18

Hi I am new to the site I have been reading conversations on the forum and trying to compare to my husbands situation. my husband was diagnosed with prostate cancer on the 19/9/2018. his PSA was only 3.1(so low compared to many on this site) with a gleason score of 3+4=7 T2. He has also been for a bone scan,  we are waiting for the results.

my husband was told by the consultant that the only option for him was to have the robotic assisted surgery because he already suffers from Ulcerative colitis  (which is inflammation and ulcers of the colon and rectum). my husband is only 46 years old and does not have any other symptoms.

ALso if he goes ahead with the surgery and down the line his PSA starts to rise again then what treatment if any would he be able to have. 

I am very concerned and worried, but coming onto this forum it has helped reading other ppl posts and helps me realise that there always is hope.

I would like some advice if anyone on this site has been in a similar situation? 

If I have made any mistake I apologise in advance.

 

TAZZ

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Posted 29 Sep 2018 at 20:06

There's really no need to be too worried. Your husband is EXTREMELY unlikely to die from localised prostate cancer, particularly with a relatively low grade of Gleason 3+4 and a very low PSA of 3. Surgery is a safe and effective treatment which in the overwhelming majority of cases is a permanent cure.

The important thing is that it's been caught at an early stage.

Chris

Edited by member 29 Sep 2018 at 20:12  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 29 Sep 2018 at 20:11
My husband was 50 with a PSA of 3.1 and a diagnosis of G3+4 T1. He had surgery (he chose open rather than robotic for a number of reasons) but it turned out that he was T3. The cancer did come back and he had salvage radiotherapy (RT) with hormone treatment (HT) a couple of years later.

It may be that the operation sorts out your husband’s cancer and he never needs further treatment. If the op was not successful, he would be in a slightly different situation to my OH in that he might be advised not to have salvage RT and so he might only be offered long term HT to control it.

It is definitely worth asking for a referral to an oncologist to discuss the possibility of RT - either external beam image guided RT (which is much more precise than RT of years gone by) or perhaps brachytherapy which is more direct and less likely to cause bowel problems. Your surgeon may not be an expert in radiation oncology ;-/

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 29 Sep 2018 at 21:51
AS wouldn’t usually be a sensible choice with G7, especially for someone so young.
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 01 Oct 2018 at 11:20
My mum used to say that "God helps those that help themselves", a positive approach!
Barry
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User
Posted 29 Sep 2018 at 20:06

There's really no need to be too worried. Your husband is EXTREMELY unlikely to die from localised prostate cancer, particularly with a relatively low grade of Gleason 3+4 and a very low PSA of 3. Surgery is a safe and effective treatment which in the overwhelming majority of cases is a permanent cure.

The important thing is that it's been caught at an early stage.

Chris

Edited by member 29 Sep 2018 at 20:12  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 29 Sep 2018 at 20:11
My husband was 50 with a PSA of 3.1 and a diagnosis of G3+4 T1. He had surgery (he chose open rather than robotic for a number of reasons) but it turned out that he was T3. The cancer did come back and he had salvage radiotherapy (RT) with hormone treatment (HT) a couple of years later.

It may be that the operation sorts out your husband’s cancer and he never needs further treatment. If the op was not successful, he would be in a slightly different situation to my OH in that he might be advised not to have salvage RT and so he might only be offered long term HT to control it.

It is definitely worth asking for a referral to an oncologist to discuss the possibility of RT - either external beam image guided RT (which is much more precise than RT of years gone by) or perhaps brachytherapy which is more direct and less likely to cause bowel problems. Your surgeon may not be an expert in radiation oncology ;-/

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 29 Sep 2018 at 20:25
Hi chris thanks for your reply i do understand that my husband is unlikely to die with his scores nevertheless its is still worrying for me.

yes thankfully it has been caught at an early stage. only on me asking the DR for a PSA test for him because my dad had passed away with prostate cancer in 2007 so i was concerned even though it had nothing to do with my husband.

Good thing I did. if I hadn't a things could of been a lot different by the time my husband had any symptoms.

User
Posted 29 Sep 2018 at 20:51
Hi Lyn

My main concern is that the urologist said that the only suitable treatment for my husband was robotic assisted surgery.He said with his condition (ulcerative colitis) they could not offer him anything with radiation. He didn't even say that active surveillance was an option.

Also my concern is that after the operation if the cancer does come back then what treatment would they use for him. which is what I will be asking the consultant when we see him next. They have already booked him in for his Pre OP for the 10th October. I assume they will do the surgery quiet quickly after that. Not sure how long they would leave it after a pre op appointment. My husband has also got another appointment on the 4th October where they will show a presentation of the procedure.

Another question is on my mind seeing that my husband has no symptoms is it best to have the surgery right now or should we wait?

unfortunately there is no way of knowing how quick or slow the Cancer will spread.

so really leaves us with limited choice.

thanks

Tazz

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Posted 29 Sep 2018 at 21:51
AS wouldn’t usually be a sensible choice with G7, especially for someone so young.
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 29 Sep 2018 at 21:53
Tazz, men with localised prostate cancer (me included!) generally don’t have any symptoms, but that doesn’t mean that it can or should be ignored. If it’s left untreated, it’ll spread, and if it spreads from the prostate to other parts of the body, it’s then advanced prostate cancer which is what does kill people. Active surveillance will generally not be offered for Gleason 3+4 cancer.

Prostate cancer is generally slow-growing, so there’s no rush to have surgery, in the sense that it’s unlikely to make any difference whether your husband has surgery next month or in 3 months’ time, but it would be unwise to delay it for years, because the more the cancer spreads, the higher the chance that surgery won’t get it all. The earlier that surgery is done, the better the odds of a curative treatment.

I know from personal experience that the prospect of major surgery is not a pleasant one. In my own case, the scans I had to investigate my prostate cancer also revealed that I had a localised kidney tumour (again with no symptoms), and on 1st September I had my left kidney removed. Not a pleasant experience, and I’m still recovering from the surgery, but I had no doubts at all that it needed removing, and the earlier it was done the better the chances of it completely eradicating my kidney cancer.

So my suggestion would be to follow your consultant’s advice and get the surgery done.

All the best,

Chris

User
Posted 29 Sep 2018 at 21:54
Lyn

This maybe a silly question but can I ask why it wouldn’t be sensible? Seeing he has no symptoms right now.

Thanks

Tazz

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Posted 30 Sep 2018 at 06:42

Chris

That makes a lot of sense if The consultant had explained this to us it would of saved me a lot time and worry, I read on a few sites that men where on AS with the same Gleason score so didn’t understand why my husband was told surger.

I hope your recovery is quick and you are to the   of health very soon.

Thanks

Tazz

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Posted 30 Sep 2018 at 10:53
Old men on G7 might be okay on AS - or AS can be used as a holding position while decisions are made or preparations done. My father in law went on AS with a G7 and lived for 4 years.

Sometimes when young men get prostate cancer it turns out to be rather more unpredictable and persistent than expected so AS is not as reliable.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 30 Sep 2018 at 11:00
Also bear in mind that at diagnosis stage, PSA doesn't always indicate how serious the cancer is. My husband's PDA was 3.1 but it had spread into his bladder, Si_ness had a similar PSA and it was all over his skeleton, some people have a PSA of 60 or more and no signs of cancer. That's why they want to do the bone scan before confirming treatment choice.
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 30 Sep 2018 at 11:10
Assuming having checked with an oncologist that RT is not recommended, initially or as salvage treatment, it might be a good idea to have surgery soon while there is best chance of it being successful.
Barry
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Posted 30 Sep 2018 at 12:47

Lyn

It is because on me the bone scan was done I insisted on it, the consultant said it was not really needed and in his opinion it will be clear.

For my peace of mind he agreed to it seeing that my dad’s had spread to the bone and was to late until they found out.

 

thank u a lot for your reply’s they do really help me.

Tazz 

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Posted 30 Sep 2018 at 12:51

Barry

We haven’t been referred to an oncologist  but I will be asking the consultant on the 4th what other treatment if any can my husband have.

After reading the posts on this site I do feel now that the surgery would be our best option, until it’s done and results have come back we will just hope for the best.

 

Tazz

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Posted 30 Sep 2018 at 17:54

Tazz,

As you will most probably have gathered, the vast majority of men who are suitable for surgery or RT have one of the forms of these treatments and in the case of surgery have it backed up by RT if the surgery is not successful. If RT is the primary treatment (often preceded by and accompanied by Hormone Therapy), and this does not work, rarely the prostate can be removed but it's then more difficult and few surgeons wish to attempt it. A form of Focal therapy can be given for failed RT provided the cancer is still within the Prostate. Focal therapy is HIFU (High Intensity Focal Ultra sound or Cryotherapy ) although there are also even rarer types such as Nanoknife or FLA that are very occasionally given as primary, rather than salvage treatment but to qualify for these the cancer must be contained within the Prostate and meet other requirements for each type of treatment.

Because Focal treatment is rare in the UK, especially as primary rather than as salvage treatment, there are only a few hospitals/facilities that do it. I had HIFU as part of a trial for men who had failed RT. Had I wanted HIFU (and been suitable for it as a primary treatment), I think I would have had to have had it privately. The same largely applies with Cryotherapy although it may be possible to have it done within the NHS in a very few places. Nanoknife has generally been restricted to trials within the NHS or done privately. The husband of one of our members 'Claret' had to go abroad for his chosen FLA treatment but certain criteria had to be met to qualify.

This sets out the situation as I believe it to be. In short, your husband's histology and scans would have to be referred to a specialist in Focal Therapy to see whether he was suitable if he wished to pursue this as an alternative to the usual Prostatectomy or Radiation. Where none of all these forms of treatment is wanted, he could be most likely be put on Hormone Treatment and as appropriate, chemo and other further down the line systemic treatments if/when required.

Edited by member 30 Sep 2018 at 18:03  | Reason: Not specified

Barry
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Posted 30 Sep 2018 at 18:05
Barry

Thank u so much for the information I have also spoken to the nurse on this site and they have also said due to my husband having ulcerative colitis surgery is the best option and if he needed any other treatment after that he would most probably only be suitable for Hormone Treatment due to his ulcerative colitis.

I pray his surgery is a success otherwise we have very limited options.

As far as I can make out at this stage.

Will defo be asking the consultant on the 4th about all the treatments that can be suitable for him after the surgery if he need more treatment later on.

Tazz

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Posted 01 Oct 2018 at 00:22
Tazz,

Surgery, like all forms of treatments carries risks but has been done for many years by many surgeons and long term statistics are available on various aspects. Focal therapy lacks long term validation and is largely regarded as experimental. It also requires seeking out where it can be done and suitability which inevitably takes more time. I only mentioned it because you asked about other treatment. However, if surgery is decided on, should it not be successful it could then be considered whether to risk RT in your husband's circumstances or rely on the systemic ones previously mentioned.

Hope surgery goes well. Do keep us posted.

Barry
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Posted 01 Oct 2018 at 00:42
There has been some research recently in America (the Mayo clinic as far as I can remember) on pelvic RT for people with bowel / colon diseases such as Crohn's. The conclusion was that most people are fine but it should only be used if the person can't have surgery. I assume ulcerative colitis would be the same. If you ever got to the situation of needing salvage RT, your OH could ask to be referred to a centre that uses SpaceOar gel to protect the bowel perhaps?

But be positive; there is every chance that the surgery will be successful and he will not need salvage treatment in the future.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 01 Oct 2018 at 06:44
Barry and Lyn

Thank you very much for taking time out to answer to my comment I really do appreciate it, it has helped me a lot. Will keep you posted on what happens next. Will know by the 4th when my hubby is going to be operated on.

My husband has a strong faith and doesn’t really talk about his condition he say’s what will happen will happen. Takes everything in his stride, but I am a little different need to know all the but if and maybe’s. Sometimes my approach is not the best but that’s me.

Also if I didn’t read up on it we would never of known about the side affect of the surgery etc now that I have read up on it and passed all the information back to him at least he can mentally be prepared for them.

Once again thanks to both of u

Tazz

User
Posted 01 Oct 2018 at 11:20
My mum used to say that "God helps those that help themselves", a positive approach!
Barry
 
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