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External Beam RT and HDR Brachytherapy - my path

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Posted 31 Dec 2023 at 12:14

Hi Andy, 

On my thread I made a post on the 17 June 2022. About a similar incident. It has not occurred since. I wouldn't know if it were in my ejaculate as that doesn't happen anymore.

https://community.prostatecanceruk.org/posts/t23141-Hooray-I-m-off-zoladex--let-s-hope-for-good

I hope yours turns out to be as uneventful as mine.

Dave

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Posted 31 Dec 2023 at 12:44

Thanks Dave, that does sound similar to my case.

I'm aware even a single incident of blood in urine should result in a 2WW, but I think I narrowed it down to the prostate rather than bladder or kidneys, which is not so worrying, or surprising, so I'll wait until my next oncology consultation as that should be in about a month. I'll be doing a PSA test before that, but will try to get things flushed out first so I can tell is it's still bleeding when I have the PSA test, which I guess might impact the result. Flushing things out is definitely not as effective as it was prior to treatment. I had that also with my second biopsy which was after I'd started HT, and couldn't really get the blood out of my prostate, and as a result, a blob of iron oxide (from the breakdown of the excessive blood) showed up brightly in my prostate when I had a full body MRI a few months later (shows up well because it's magnetic).

Edited by member 05 Jan 2024 at 14:40  | Reason: Not specified

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Posted 02 Jan 2024 at 21:32

Sorry to hear this, Andy.  I hope you can get an early investigation, and hopefully get it sorted a.s.a.p.  It seems a long time to wait for your next scheduled consultation in about a month.

Take good care of yourself.

JedSee.

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Posted 02 Jan 2024 at 23:01

Oh, dear, Andy.  Sorry to hear this.  Still, here's hoping it's just a blip in the overall tide.  You more than any other I know is so completely armed with information.  I'm sure you can steady this ship and sail on to yet more glory.  Here's hoping the month progresses quickly and without event in this regard.  May this New Year be among the happiest you have ever known.  

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Posted 05 Jan 2024 at 14:38

I got an unexpected call from a urology consultant this morning. Apparently they have written to me to tell me there was a phone appointment, but I haven't received that letter yet. He just wanted to know how things were going and if there were any problems. They did this a couple of years ago too - I'm very impressed (even more so that it happened during a junior doctor's strike).

I mentioned the blood in urine and semen. I will be booked in for a flexible cystoscopy and ultrasound kidney scan, but as it won't be on the 2WW pathway (he thought around 6 weeks), I'm guessing he also thinks bladder or kidney cancer are unlikely causes.

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Posted 05 Jan 2024 at 19:39

Thanks Andy 62.  Hopefully, it's just a blip and you might take comfort from the fact that they don't seem to think it calls for an urgent assessment as potentially cancerous.

Take good care of yourself.

Best wishes,

JedSee.

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Posted 14 Jan 2024 at 19:00

Ultrasound appointment has come through for end of the month. Still waiting to hear about flexible cystoscopy appointment (hope the letter arrives before the appointment this time!).

Symptoms were getting worse, more blood, urgency, only peeing a bit, wondering if I was going in to retention. The visible blood wasn't in the urine though - it seemed to appear in response to my body involuntarily closing the internal urinary sphincter, together with a good deal of the pain. I eventually decided I wasn't going in to retention - quite the opposite in that as soon as there was a small amount of urine in the bladder, the urgency to empty it kicked in.

Asked GP for Tamsulosin and a urine test - got both. Urine heavily infected - to some extent that was a relief to at least know what part of the cause was. Nurse said infection could be the cause of all the symptoms, but also I think the infection might have been caused in part by some internal damage from radiation cystitis, so I can't really tell which way around things happened. 2 days into the antibiotics, the visible bleeding has stopped, although a home dip test still shows lots of microscopic blood and protein in urine, which is a sign of cystitis according to the nurse, given I don't normally have either in my urine test results. On the plus side, not showing infection markers any more. Still pain and urgency, but I guess things may have got quite raw in there from the infection and still need to heal. Too painful for a cystoscopy at the moment, so I'm pleased that appointment hasn't come through yet. Drinking lots including lots of sugar free cranberry juice in case it helps (and I do quite like it).

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Posted 14 Jan 2024 at 19:37

Good to get an update from you Andy and hope the infection clears up soon.

Derek

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Posted 15 Jan 2024 at 20:24

Thanks Andy62,

You've certainly been through the mill.  Hope all clears up and nothing found on scan when you eventually have it.

Best wishes,

JedSee.

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Posted 22 Feb 2024 at 15:26

My next 6-monthly PSA test has just come in at <0.03. It's been 0.04 for the previous couple of years during which I haven't been on HT, my Testosterone has been back (and rather high), and I still have a prostate. I'm surprised that 4½ years after external beam and HDR brachytherapy, it's gone down even further - I was expecting it to go up slightly, if anything. Actually, I think this change might be due to a change of lab test equipment or assay (chemicals the tests use), because the lab now measure down to 0.03, whereas it used to be 0.01, and <0.03 is not really significantly different from 0.04 I've been for a couple of years before.

Testosterone has gone up, from 20.9 nmol/L a year ago to 28.8 nmol/L, which is now above the normal range (25.7 max at my age). It doesn't seem to have had any bad effect on PSA though. It was above the max level 18 months ago too.

The peeing blood at Christmas is being investigated. Ultrasound scan was OK, but cystoscopy wasn't, probably due to still healing from a UTI, but it will be repeated in 4-6 weeks to check things again. I asked for another consultation with colorectal too, to talk more about minor rectal bleeding which I've had for 4 years now. It's not really causing me a any problem, but what do I do about bowel cancer screening (given I'm now at higher risk), and is there any other implication of this continuing indefinitely or something I should be doing?

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Posted 22 Feb 2024 at 15:38

Brilliant news about the PSA reducing even further and your T is going great guns………..

Long may it continue .

Phil

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Posted 22 Feb 2024 at 15:44

Great news Andy, I hope my outcome is as good as yours….and I can’t wait to get the old testo back🤞

User
Posted 22 Feb 2024 at 15:52

and I can’t wait to get the old testo back🤞

I miss my Testo soo much. Gone forever and I didn’t really get to say goodbye 😪

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Posted 22 Feb 2024 at 17:33

Excellent 👍

Dave

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Posted 22 Feb 2024 at 20:14
This is super news. I wouldn't worry too much about the increased risk of bowel cancer - it increases the risk such a small amount. The important thing is that as a man of a certain age, you have a risk of bowel cancer anyway and should engage with the screening programme when offered ... unless you have any symptoms, in which case you will act decisively and remind the GP of your pelvic RT if s/he prevaricates!
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 23 Feb 2024 at 20:03

Friday night fist pump from me Andy.

 

Jamie.

 

 

 

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Posted 12 May 2024 at 00:18

Had a flexible cystoscopy on Thursday, my second one in 3 months, and actually my third in total (the first being during original prostate cancer diagnosis nearly 6 years ago).

This was kicked off by peeing blood at Christmas. Actually, the blood was immediately after peeing - it didn't seem to be in my urine. Then it was in semen too. Being around Christmas/new year, I was wondering what to do about it. Then bizarrely, I got a call out of the blue from a urology consultant who asked me how I was doing. I'm under oncology, not urology, so this surprised me on many counts. Someone jokingly suggested my toilet must be connected via the Internet back to the hospital! He said he'd bring me in for ultrasound scan of upper urinary tract (I know that's to check for any cancer or other problem with kidneys/upper urinary tract) and a flexible cystoscopy (that's to check bladder/lower urinary tract). I wasn't referred on a 2WW, but did get the ultrasound quite quickly, which was all clear.

Then I got a UTI, although it took me a while to realise the increasing pain and urgency might be that. I do have a tub of the Multistix dip tests at home which would have told me instantly, but I was not at home for a week when it happened. Got a GP nurse appointment last thing on a Friday which I rushed back for, which showed a UTI, and immediate antibiotics prescribed, which fixed it, although it did turn in to prostatitis for a couple of days before it completely went. A UTI causes positive leukocyte/nitrite dip test results, but usually also causes positive blood and protein in urine by the time it's bad enough to notice you have it, which indeed mine was. I monitored this with periodic tests, and the leukocyte/nitrite test went negative quickly showing the infection had gone, but the blood and protein took a month to clear as tissue damage heals more slowly.

My flexible cystoscopy came through the day the protein level went negative and blood level was down to the lowest detectable on the dip test. The cystoscopy showed my bladder was quite a mess with loads of large red blotches (which definitely weren't there nearly 6 years ago). The urologist was clearly thinking bladder cancer and said it looked worse than is typical for radiation cystitis (which I also guessed wouldn't be all around the bladder), but I was thinking scarring from the recent UTI. Urologist wanted to book me straight in for a rigid cystoscopy under general anesthetic to take biopsy samples. I wanted to wait a bit longer for the UTI scars to heal if that's what it was, so he agreed to do another flexible cystoscopy in 4-6 weeks. The followup letter suggested the MDT (who I presume must have watched the video later) didn't think it looked like bladder cancer.

The 4-6 weeks became 3 months, and a different registrar did it on Thursday. Getting rather used to these now, I asked if she could give a commentary on where we were looking, which she did. Bladder was now completely clear of the red blotches, and looked fine. There wasn't even any sign of radiation cystitis in it (and I've never had any symptoms of that). I think she took me on more of a tour around because I asked for a commentary, which was very interesting, pointing out the bladder neck looking back from inside the bladder, the ureters, the inside of the prostate, etc. Although I have a large prostate (it was 93cc and 97cc on a couple of the early scans), the urethra through it isn't occluded, but does have lots of exposed blood vessels. I think this is where the bleeding was coming from, in which case it's of no significance (or surprise) after radiotherapy. My urethra is narrowed in the penile bulb where the HDR brachytherapy catheters passed through, but no scarring, so it might not be an active stricture, but something to keep an eye on if my flow rate reduces. She had to dilate it a bit to get the camera through. That stricture was probably caused by the HDR brachy, because that wasn't there before treatment.

Anyway, no further followup required, unless I notice my flow rate reduce.

User
Posted 12 May 2024 at 08:23

Morning Andy.

It must have been a very worrying time for you. I'm delighted that you've been given the all clear mate. 👍

User
Posted 12 May 2024 at 08:29
Good news Andy, always followed your journey with interest, we got diagnosed around the same time in August 2018.
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Posted 12 May 2024 at 09:20

Hello JasperM

I couldn't see if you maintain a treatment thread, and searching isn't good on here. I just read through your profile. You had one bone met at diagnosis. What scans showed this, just a nuclear bone scan? On one hand, that's not surprising with an N1 diagnosis. On the other hand, nuclear bone scans are now known for generating false positives when reporting only a very small number of bone mets, but I don't think this was known in 2018. If no other scan has ever confirmed that met existed, it might just be that it wasn't really a met in the first place. Also, if they targeted that met during the radiotherapy, that could have cured it. Either of these could mean you aren't Advanced/Stage 4 now, and don't have to stay on hormone therapy for life. Definitely something worth discussing with your oncologist - maybe you could try intermittent hormone therapy, which if the current treatment has actually effected a cure, you'd never need to restart. I don't think the risk in trying this is high, but again, that's a question for your oncologist.

You also mention T4, which means the tumour has grown (rather than metastasised) out of the prostate into another adjacent organ, but you don't say what that is. (T4 is not the same as Stage 4; Stage 4 means M1.)

 
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