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External Beam RT and HDR Brachytherapy - my path

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Posted 26 Jun 2022 at 14:40

Glad you're happy with your results as I know you put a lot of research into it.

I had a routine health check in Jan 2021 and asked for my psa to be included which they agreed to do on the understanding I would refer any questions to the hospital.  It came back 0.08 which was quite a surprise as their undetectable is <0.06. 

So I rang the hospital I'm under the care of to give me a test and it came back <0.05.  Unfortunately 10 months later the test came out detectable at 0.06 which made me wonder if I'd had a pre-warning of something stirring.

Although someone on here wrote a health screening psa test might be done to less accuracy expecting a high result.  So it could be a bit risky for someone without a prostate to have such a test although it doesn't look that way for your test.  Peter

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Posted 26 Jun 2022 at 15:31

This can happen when the test is done at different labs. It is well known in my area that if you take a blood sample, split it in two and send half to the path lab at Harrogate Infirmary and half to the path lab at St James' Hospital (which most GPs and most of the private hospitals in the area also use), the reading will be higher at Harrogate. Urologists at St James' take that into account when deciding whether there is a concern.

We tried it once with Dad and right enough, the two readings were 0.32 and 0.30 

Interestingly, John once had his PSA test at the GP at 8.30 and then at the hospital an hour or so later. Both tested at the same lab, the results were 0.10 and then 0.068 - urologist said it can sometimes be slightly higher first thing in the morning 

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"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 26 Jun 2022 at 15:51

I appear to have celebrated the good HbA1c result (diabetes screening) by eating a bar of chocolate and half a packet of biscuits. Oh dear...

I've always been a bit concerned about getting diabetes because my mum had it for a while, and so I do monthly fasting blood glucose finger prick tests which have been OK, even when the hormone therapy pushed it up. However, this was the first HbA1c test I've had (which measures average blood glucose over last 90 days).

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Posted 26 Jun 2022 at 15:53

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
I appear to have celebrated the good HbA1c result (diabetes screening) by eating a bar of chocolate and half a packet of biscuits. Oh dear...

Ha ha - what kind of biscuits? 

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 01 Mar 2023 at 23:55

It's now 3½ years since RT finished and 2¼ years since the last HT injection ran out, and 1 year since everything was just about back to normal.

I had an oncology consultation this week. I was on 6 monthly consultations but I pushed it out to 10 months because my GP had done an extra PSA/Testosterone test as part of a battery of other tests which was fine, I didn't have any problems I needed to talk to the oncologist about, and I know he's snowed under with work. PSA hasn't changed in the last 7 months and is 0.04, having risen from <0.01 as my Testosterone came back (PSA graph). Oncologist pleased. (Me too.) He asked about urinary, rectal, and erectile function, and all are normal. Still have minor rectal bleeding (quite frequent but small amounts, painless, and not incontinent), which I can ask for another referral to colorectal if I want. It has no impact on QoL, but might hide any future bowel cancer. Also asked about breasts where I have more tissue than I had before, but I think I'll just have to live with that. The Tamoxifen reduced breast glands to barely detectable, but there's still breast fat which wasn't there before treatment (and Tamoxifen has no effect on that).

He's now moved me to annual consultations, although PSA tests are still 6-monthly. Also asked me to get another Testosterone test in a year, I think because he's interested in following the graph I produce (as have several clinicians been) rather than because it's likely to be of any ongoing clinical relevance.

Sorry Lyn, can't remember what the biscuits were, but very likely something cheap like crunch creams for which I have an embarrassing soft spot.

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Posted 02 Mar 2023 at 00:48
Really happy to see this - what a positive advert you are for RT/HT and your oncologist sounds great!

Personally, I am a sucker for a jam sandwich cream.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 02 Mar 2023 at 07:25

Great to hear about your success story on HT/RT route Andy62. I hope mine is as successful.

Derek

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Posted 02 Mar 2023 at 07:28

Andy, great news and a very informative post, I hope it continues for many years. A big thanks for all the help and information you and the other scholars give us.

Like the drop box link.

Thanks Chris 

 

 

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Posted 02 Mar 2023 at 14:13

Hi Andy,

Great results good to see some successful  Brachytherapy treatment long may it last.

Regards John.

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Posted 02 Mar 2023 at 16:38

Well done Andy!

I find the graph very interesting as it shows my oncologists thoughts....He believes that the the psa is inhibited at levels below 1.0 testosterone. I've never seen this data shown before so many thanks.

I'm a year or so behind you so I always look with interest on your posts. I will post an update later this year.

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Posted 02 Mar 2023 at 17:12

Testosterone levels came up in conversation at The FOPS support group last night. Someone who had seen my PSA graph asked why their own Testosterone was higher (1.something nmol/L) on Prostap. The urologist said Zoladex does keep Testosterone lower than Prostap, but they're both low enough to suppress PSA.

I read the Zoladex test data some time ago, and their aim was to keep Testosterone ≤1.2nmol/L, although it seems it usually does significantly better than this. 1.2nmol/L is sometimes given as the castrate level, although there's no universal agreement on what the castrate level is, and values between 0.7 and 1.7nmol/L are used in different places.

I think that having a very low level (<0.7) when you're on time-limited hormone therapy as part of radiotherapy probably isn't important, but I can't help wondering if it might me more important if you're on lifelong hormone therapy and trying to put off castrate resistance for as long as possible.

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Posted 02 Mar 2023 at 17:22
Thanks for the graph Andy. Round here the doctors don't measure testosterone, so it is reassuring to know where I am on the curve.

(Six months out from stopping Zoladex, feeling subjective signs of testosterone returning, but clearly not properly back. Looks from your experience that normal service might resume in 3-6 months).

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Posted 02 Mar 2023 at 20:32

Great report Andy. I'm the same treatment as you and about six months ahead of you. I only had two testosterone tests, but then everything returned to normal about 12 months post RT so I didn't have another testosterone test. I'm signed off from the oncologist though the urologist found my file after mislaying it for four years and now wants to follow me up. My PSA bobs around between 0.1 to 0.2. It's up to me how often to have a PSA test, I'll probably have them every six months for a while.

Dave

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Posted 03 Mar 2023 at 05:36
Great news Andy, really pleased things are going so well for you x
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Posted 03 Mar 2023 at 22:59
Excellent news Andy! I do find yours (and Lyn's!) posts fascinating .... you pair should join forces and write a book....could just be a best seller I reckon :) I've just read Lyn's post imagining your Prostate as an Orange whilst describing Nerve sparing RP/Margin's .... cracking stuff, never really understood margin's previously.

Anyway, a HUGE thanks for the all the advice to date (inc organizing FOPS) and the very best of luck going forward!

ps you can't beat a dark chocolate hobnob :)

Cheers,

Nick

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Posted 03 Mar 2023 at 23:30
ps you can't beat a dark chocolate hobnob :)

The work of the devil - only thing worse than dark chocolate hobnobs is a chocolate orange

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 03 Mar 2023 at 23:30

Great stuff Andy. I've screen grabbed the graph and your comment for reference. Peter

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Posted 04 Mar 2023 at 08:00
Great news Andy, your incite and knowledge sharing are a tremendous boon to us lesser mortals traveling on the same journey.

Keep going fella.

User
Posted 04 Mar 2023 at 08:11

Great news Andy onwards and upwards 👍

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Posted 04 Mar 2023 at 08:24

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
Thanks for the graph Andy. Round here the doctors don't measure testosterone, so it is reassuring to know where I am on the curve.

(Six months out from stopping Zoladex, feeling subjective signs of testosterone returning, but clearly not properly back. Looks from your experience that normal service might resume in 3-6 months).

You could ask for Testosterone to be added to your PSA test. It's negligible extra expense in the same blood phile, and useful during the period of recovering from coming off HT. A few places such as UCLH do Testosterone with all PSA tests for patients on or after HT. My oncologist offered it during recovery from HT, and my GP did the much earlier test at my request. Unfortunately, I never had it measured before HT, so I don't know what my normal level was before treatment. One expert in this field thinks it should be measured before starting HT, so you know roughly what it should be returning to afterwards as there's a wide range of normal levels.

 
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