Dairy Free or Reduced Diet

I took the view that the evidence on dairy was too thin for me to drop it, given I do like it.

I didn't look into it a whole lot, so I wouldn't suggest anyone else takes my word for it though.

Another theory about dairy is that it's the calcium content in it. Well, many of us (me included) are actually taking calcium supplements while on ADT.

15 years since diagnosis diet is none or very little processed food. The rest is nothing barred and all in moderation.

Irun

Well done ou your runs. At nigh on 74 you've eventually inspired me to run. Not long completed couch 2 5K at all run1 rest1.

Ray

Sorry there is no evidence for unprocessed meat being causitive agents in prostate cancer.

Unfermented soya eg tofu is linked to hormone related cancers

It is more likely IMHO that the association (and that's all it is) of meat with cancers is more likely one of the richness of your diet. Hence PC is more prevalent in wealthy societies

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Rob, a well liked former member of this forum and extensive researcher into things possibly affecting PCa, went to very considerable lengths by way of omitting certain foods from his diet whilst actively taking others. He lost out to PCa in the end but believed the dietary changes he made did give him time that he would not otherwise have had. Details of his regime are given in his Bio. He was, incidentally, a keen follower of 'Snuffy Myers' https://community.prostatecanceruk.org/default.aspx?g=profile&u=656

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Soy - total shipshow with for and against

Meat and dairy- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3232297/

Plenty of stuff out there much conflicting.

Put PCA aside. What is a healthy diet? Lots of veg, lots of oily fish (mind the mercury!), limited meat, no dairy and don’t mess with supplements other than D.

Works for me when I stick to it!

More information in the Times on 22nd October 2019 about dairy and plant based diet affecting the prostate. 

In summary, if you read right through:  Dairy is still inconclusive, but plant based could be good.

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Link to the article behind paywall probably:  https://www.thetimes.co.uk/past-six-days/2019-10-22/news/dairy-heavy-diet-linked-to-prostate-cancer-risk-22n3gfl6w

Eating lots of dairy products gives an increased risk of prostate cancer while men who follow a plant-based diet are at the lowest risk, analysis suggests.

Researchers examined 47 studies published between 2006 and 2017 and found that men with a dairy-heavy diet were up to 65 per cent more likely to develop prostate cancer. It has been suggested that calcium may be a factor.

Scientists at the Mayo Clinic in the US did not quantify how much milk, cheese, butter or yoghurt constituted a large amount but concluded: “Our review of the literature suggests that consumption of higher amounts of plant-based foods may be associated with decreased prostate cancer risk, and higher amounts of dairy products may be associated with increased risk.”

Researchers found no link with meat or fish but said that those following vegan diets were up to 36 per cent less likely to develop the condition. About 11,700 men die of prostate cancer in the UK each year.

More than a million people were examined across the 47 studies. The researchers said that of 22 studies on the link between “total dairy” consumption and prostate cancer, eight had found that dairy products increased the risk, 13 found that it made no difference and one linked it to a lower risk.

Ten studies out of 22 found that milk increased the risk, ten found that it made no difference and two found that it decreased the risk. A higher risk was shown by one of nine studies on cheese, one of five on butter and cream and two of nine on yoghurt. The rest showed that consumption of these products made no difference.

Prostate Cancer UK warns on its website: “Eating or drinking lots of dairy products . . . might increase your risk. We don’t know why this is but it might be because of the calcium.”

John Shin, an oncologist at the Mayo Clinic, said: “Our review highlighted a cause for concern with high consumption of dairy. The findings also support a growing body of evidence on the potential benefits of plant-based diets.” He said more research was needed.

Tom Sanders, professor of nutrition and dietetics at King’s College London, said the research did “not justify the strong conclusions”. The World Cancer Research Fund had conducted a “far more rigorous review”, he said, which found that “being overweight or obese were the only dietary factors probably associated with risk of prostate cancer”.

He added that the new review “only considered dairy and calcium intake as a possible cause” but did not have sufficient evidence to prove the link.

Sophia Lowes from Cancer Research UK said the analysis did not comment on the quality of the studies it analysed and did not clarify whether they examined only the risk of aggressive prostate cancer, as opposed to benign.

“We don’t think the evidence is strong enough to warrant a change in our guidance for men,” she said. “We need more high-quality research.”

There probably is something in dairy, but lack of consistency between studies implies they are not taking something into account which is very significant.

If I was to guess what that was, it would be that dairy consumed up to the end of puberty might be significant, but dairy consumed after puberty isn't. This would tie up with some other risk factors which have been found, although I'm not aware that researcher has looked at dairy as yet.

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Meat that is cooked at high temperatures produces Heterocyclic Amines which are a known carcinogen. Red meat and poultry skin are the worst, with barbecue compounding the issue because as well as the high temperature the fat drips onto the fire and burns. The smoke produced contains more Heterocyclic Amines.

Cheers

Bill

As stated before, there is an increasing body of evidence that if we changed the diets of young boys, prostate cancer might eventually be eradicated - Mr P told John and I about the research data on that nearly 10 years ago so it is nothing new. There is also some data to suggest that diet adjustments may help to slow down the progression of advanced PCa, or at least to not work against the treatments. What doesn’t seem to exist is any evidence or even indicative data to support the idea that changing diet will have any impact on a man that has had successful radical treatment (beyond that of becoming healthier, fitter, etc)

Bill, the burnt food thing is spot on. The research around brain tumours (where most of my interest and reading lies) and familial / environmental factors is fascinating but particularly:

- regularly eating burnt food, including barbecued

- chips cooked in a pan of oil that was rarely changed

- food cooked or wrapped in cling film

- compromised water supply and the wholesale addition of chemicals

- possible links with radon affected areas