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Even less chance of PCa screening via PSA testing if this becomes a reality

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Posted 06 Dec 2019 at 17:16

I read this article last week and thought little of it at first but after revisiting it today in light of a piece I read in the Patient's Association weekly newsletter, I thought I'd share it with you all.

Quote: "For example, they (NHS England, the Academy of Medical Royal Colleges, the NHS Clinical Commissioners and NICE) are suggesting that the prostate-specific antigen test, which is used to detect prostate cancer – the commonest form of cancer in men – is used much less often."

It would be unforgivable if PSA testing were used in only specific cases and a scandal if no other initial PCa testing method had not been introduced before the PSA test had been reduced to a test for monitoring purposes only.

The NHS are quoted as saying: "the document was out of date and had not been approved or implemented" but they would say that wouldn't they!

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/nov/29/revealed-nhs-plans-to-ration-34-unnecessary-tests-and-treatments

 

Edited by member 07 Dec 2019 at 09:57  | Reason: Typos

Roger
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Posted 07 Dec 2019 at 00:18
Not sure why you are surprised; the home based bowel screening programme is being dropped and there is a clear view now that routine breast screening leads to over-diagnosis and needs to be re-thought. In the south, a CCG put paediatric services out to tender and children with severe disabilities and life limiting illnesses haven’t seen a specialist for over 18 months. Also in the south, men’s urology services have been sold to a group of GPs which has caused all sorts of problems for patients. The NHS cannot cope with all the diagnosed people, let alone all the people who need diagnostic tests. We are a broken nation right now.
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 07 Dec 2019 at 20:20

Well that had me surprised, Lyn, but I can find nothing on Home Bowel Screening being dropped.

I noticed this year they changed the test and must have invested in it recently.

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Posted 07 Dec 2019 at 00:18
Not sure why you are surprised; the home based bowel screening programme is being dropped and there is a clear view now that routine breast screening leads to over-diagnosis and needs to be re-thought. In the south, a CCG put paediatric services out to tender and children with severe disabilities and life limiting illnesses haven’t seen a specialist for over 18 months. Also in the south, men’s urology services have been sold to a group of GPs which has caused all sorts of problems for patients. The NHS cannot cope with all the diagnosed people, let alone all the people who need diagnostic tests. We are a broken nation right now.
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 07 Dec 2019 at 10:14
I'm the least surprised Lyn.

Roger
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Posted 07 Dec 2019 at 20:20

Well that had me surprised, Lyn, but I can find nothing on Home Bowel Screening being dropped.

I noticed this year they changed the test and must have invested in it recently.

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Posted 07 Dec 2019 at 20:23

Have to say I agree.  I started at Gleason 6 and am now Gleason 8, yet my PSA has remained almost abnormally low throughout, starting at 1.6 and only rising to 3.2 at my latest test in October.  Based on PSA alone I would never have been referred for further investigation and my cancer would have gone undiscovered even with my family history.  I do realise I differ from the norm though.

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Posted 07 Dec 2019 at 20:25

Have they really dropped the home bowel cancer test?  Must admit I'd been wondering why mine hadn't turned up yet having done it twice before.

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Posted 07 Dec 2019 at 23:20

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

Have to say I agree.  I started at Gleason 6 and am now Gleason 8, yet my PSA has remained almost abnormally low throughout, starting at 1.6 and only rising to 3.2 at my latest test in October.  Based on PSA alone I would never have been referred for further investigation and my cancer would have gone undiscovered even with my family history.  I do realise I differ from the norm though.

The initial PSA test that a man has does not indicate he has PCa (although the chances of it being PCa increase significantly if the figure is very high.) That being the case, it is usually considered along with a DRE, which again is not a definitive test but sometimes the Doctor can feel the Prostate is enlarged or exhibits other than normal characteristics.  Even an MRI does not always show cancer that may be present and a biopsy can miss a significant tumour.  On occasion we have had members where PCa was suspected but they have had three biopsies before it has been found.  So the tools available are not accurate and before doing any tests/scans it is sensible in many cases to test a man for a UTI which can be a reason why any PSA test he has would give a raised figure.  Work is being done to find a much better simple indicator of PCa which would spare a lot of men undergoing unnecessary tests but although there have been other tests like the PCA3, neither  this nor others have been found to be sufficiently reliable singly so far.  So too much weight should not be placed on PSA alone, it not only leads to false positives but where PSA is low can fail to indicate cancer that is present.  PSA taken regularly after treatment becomes a much better though not infallible indicator indicator of cancer presence.

All these tests/scans for PCa added to the many others for other problems and procedures are obviously one of the reasons why the NHS is struggling to cope. Unfortunatley, measures to reduce testing will mean that from our perspective here, the chances of early diagnosis and treatment is likely to become worse.  The Government of any composition urgently need to put more money and human resources into the NHS with all that implies and the population should be prepared to meet the cost.

Edited by member 07 Dec 2019 at 23:26  | Reason: Not specified

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