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Posted 21 Dec 2019 at 13:17

Wishing you the best for a positive result Kev. 

User
Posted 02 Jan 2020 at 20:30

Hello Rick,

I am 60 and had a robot prostatectomy in November last year having been diagnosed in October.  Thankfully for me, all the tests since have been positive, but the mental issues can be overwhelming - you are not alone.

Like you, I had some terrible post op complications with haematomas and infections and had to be readmitted under a blue light for 5 days.   Looking back on last Christmas, I now realise how ill I was, but one year on, I have no catheter (hooray), good(ish) bladder control and feel physically OK.  Every month I got a little better and after 12 months, I am physically in a much better place - all that despite needing more surgery in April to remove a grumbling gall bladder - piece of cake after the prostate op!

Everyone will, be telling you to be patient and that you have had major surgery - they are right!  It really does take at least 6 weeks to feel anything like normal - at least it did for me.   Just do all the sensible stuff - eat well, take exercise, don't stress out and do the pelvic floor exercises !

The regular PSA checks are a mental hurdle to contend with as the answer is only ever going to be a yes or no, but even if you do have a setback, there are loads of ways you can still get better and have a good long life.  Fingers crossed for you that they nabbed it all during surgery - I was Gleason 2a grade 7 and the prognosis is good for me now.

I am still suffering with ED, despite many treatments.  Viagra made me really ill and Caverject injections (ouch) are the latest thing, to no avail.  My wife is very understanding, (my mates less so, but I think they mean well) and it does really get to me, although I keep it well hidden.  Most people do find a way forward eventually, so again, I am afraid it the old patience routine and try everything they offer you.  I hope you have some joy soon and you really do need to "practice" - imagine getting that kind of advice from a doctor when we were 15!

Be ready fo the dark days/nights - they happen to most of us, but with the support of family, friends and the people on here, you will get through this.  You are to being weak if this does happen to you - we need to drop the macho stuff and recognise how touch a cancer diagnosis really is.

I still feel very anxious about what I have gone through and what may still lie ahead - it feels like a type of PTSD to me, although I have never really talked to a professional about this.  I like to keep my deeper feelings to myself, which is probably not helpful, but everyone finds their own way and it is reassuring to read on here how others have experienced the same thing.

So - keep your chin up Rick - 2020 will be a good year for you.  There is no sugar coating on this forum, but it helps us all to share I think.  Best of luck to you my friend and if you feel I can help, then happy to reply.

Mark

 

User
Posted 03 Jan 2020 at 00:32
Great post, Mark
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 03 Jan 2020 at 18:30
Thanks for your post Mark, much appreciated. I know that once my incontinence battle has been won, coming to terms with life long ED will be the next big challenge! As already stated, I look in appearance healthy and family and friends are keen to remind me of this fact. But I'm not ok, but acknowledge its going to take time for me to come to terms with my condition and accept that life will never be quite the same again. I still strangely find it hard to accept I am a cancer patient!
User
Posted 04 Jan 2020 at 14:07

Hi Rick, 

I wish you best for new year and suggest you make max use of this site for support...and humour. Do not forget you also have access to specialist nurses as you can talk directly with them about any issues of concern. I have talked to some excellent, supportive people and in truth I have found these conversations more beneficial than talking face to face with doctors, nurses or family. 

This has been my experience and I definitely appreciate it is different for each of us.

Best to you my friend

Kevin

Edited by member 04 Jan 2020 at 19:54  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 18 Jan 2020 at 18:40

It's just over 6 weeks now since my operation and I got my first PSA results yesterday of 0.01, whilst I was hoping for zero this has to be the next best outcome, i.e. the lowest detectable figure. I've read somewhere that anything under 0.03 is considered as an excellent result and the individual can be considered as now in remission. Next week I meet my surgeon for my first follow up consultation since the operation itself. Not too bad incontinence wise, wearing a lightweight pad during the day and night. 

Reference ED, I'm taking PDE5 - half a tablet prescribed every 3 days to stimulate blood flow, but has no effect on getting an erection. I know this is going to be much slower in progress and I think for me - no longer having an active sex life in the traditional sense is going to be difficult to come to terms with. I'm now on my local NHS waiting list to see a sex therapist at the end of February to discuss the options open to me. 

Whilst things are getting slowly better, I still have frequent periods of low mood and I'm not as confident as I was before my prostate cancer diagnosis. I return to work shortly and to be honest that is something I'm not looking forward to. 

Anyway, that's my latest honest update on my progress so far and how I mentally feel. 

User
Posted 18 Jan 2020 at 19:30
You will never get a zero result as some PSA is produced elsewhere in the body; even women have tiny amounts of PSA. Anything less than 0.1 is considered to be acceptable.

You will be in remission when you have 5 years of PSA results at less than 0.1.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 18 Jan 2020 at 22:45

Rick,
Reading back through your posts, I think you might really benefit from going to a local prostate cancer support group, if you have one nearby. You can talk easily to other men with the same issues. There's a search facility for local support groups here: Find local support
or if you say roughly where you live, someone may comment on nearby groups.

You are clearly concerned about ED, as indeed most men are at this stage. ED is completely expected so soon after the operation anyway, but I couldn't see if you had nerve sparing surgery or not. Since you're on a PDE5 inhibitor (I'm guessing is Tadalafil), that would suggest you did have nerve sparing surgery, as it's not given in the case of non-nerve sparing surgery.

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User
Posted 28 Jan 2020 at 16:53

Hi Andy62,
I am taking a drug called Sildenafil, it's to stimulate blood flow. My surgeon told me that only a few nerve endings were spared on the left side of the prostate, but they bled and had to be stitched, which is not desirable.
As for a local support group, mine meet infrequently and from what I've heard it's members are much older than me, majority of.which are retired and have plenty of time on their hands. Not really comfortable talking about penis shrinkage, ED and the various ways of managing the problem with folk who lost their Mojo years ago!
I don't think there is enough research done on the mental impact on a healthy man with post surgery ED. Yes I'm grateful to be alive, sex and the ability to have natural intimacy with a loved one is but only one component of a relationship. However, for me it is an important part. It's early days, but the thought of having to inject, pump up, rub cream, swallow tablets to pre-plan an erection only to have a minor dry orgasm is very depressing!
I'll end this particular post on a positive note; life is good, relationships are based upon so much more than the intimacy I want to rekindle. In time I'll be more.accepting and will adapt, but my mantra using this forum platform is to speak frankly and.honestly and appreciate those who take the time to read my posts and thank those of you motivated to reply.

Edited by member 28 Jan 2020 at 16:55  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 28 Jan 2020 at 17:09
Rick maybe click my picture and read my profile. I’m utterly understanding on your situation and have helped many men and women on the subject of ED. Ask away or contact me privately. I’d happily speak to you on the phone for a good old chinwag and how I overcame all this. There is a post on here called “ erecting the erection - medication ‘ which is really useful. However the search engine on here is utterly tragic and I don’t know how to link. Just don’t give up and keep your mind open , as I was once in your shoes and now face imminent hormone therapy which will end it all again and I’m simply dreading it.
User
Posted 30 Jan 2020 at 13:27
Hi Chris J & co,

I was a bit down the other day when I last posted on this thread, but much more positive today! It's very early days, I guess I just need to be patient, I've now got an appointment at my local hospital for the end of Feb, seeing a ED specialist.

User
Posted 02 Feb 2020 at 14:32

Rick,

I think you’ll learn to cope with the ups and downs because they are the new normal. I’m certainly still like that, and I’m still a newbie at 8 months post-op. I still get days when I’m down and don’t really understand why. You have many things to be positive for and so try to think of those last thing at night and first thing in the morning (I do this, giving thanks for the cancer having been cut out and apparently gone). Well done for getting stuff for ED. My NHS trust doesn’t want to know and my otherwise excellent GP wouldn’t do anything until the consultant had ruled on it, don’t know if that affects local budgets?

When you’re down give the Prostate Cancer UK nurses a ring, they are excellent, I can’t speak highly enough of the help they’ve given me.

I think I’m 99.9% there with incontinence, just the occasional leak when twisting, turning or stretching. 0% there with ED, but it always was number 3 on my list after life and incontinence!

Going back to work might be good, it will certainly give you something else to think about. But I fully understand the “but you look well “ response, it winds me up too and don’t get me started on the NHS and prostate cancer tests.

Good luck and keep celebrating progress.

User
Posted 02 Feb 2020 at 14:33

Lynn, I didn’t know that about 5 years being the cut off for in remission. I thought that was where I was now!

User
Posted 02 Feb 2020 at 14:55

Remission in my mind is when you no longer receive treatment and can just be monitored. 

User
Posted 02 Feb 2020 at 15:13

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

Lynn, I didn’t know that about 5 years being the cut off for in remission. I thought that was where I was now!

 

For prostate cancer, the accepted time frames are 5 years without biochemical recurrence (remission) and 10 years without biochemical recurrence (full remission) - biochemical recurrence after surgery is a PSA of 0.2 or higher or three successive rises above 0.1 and for RT / brachy the threshold is 2.0 + nadir. 

Taken from the Cancer Research UK website:

Living with uncertainty

It can be very difficult to live with the fact that your cancer may come back. Even if doctors tell you that they are 95% certain your cancer has gone for good, you may find it very upsetting that no one can say for sure that you're cured.

Some people find that they can't stop thinking about it even after the end of their treatment. You may feel a little frightened of planning anything in the future or you may feel sad or depressed.

For most people who are in this situation, each day lowers the risk of a recurrence. Most cancers that are going to come back will do so in the first 2 years or so after treatment. After 5 years, you are even less likely to get a recurrence. For some types of cancer, after 10 years your doctor may say that you are cured.

Unfortunately, some types of cancer can come back many years after they were first diagnosed. Some people find it very difficult to cope with this idea, but there are some things you can do to help. 

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

 
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