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User
Posted 15 Jan 2020 at 08:40

Hi, my husband (59) finished his treatment at the end of November  - Brachytherapy and 32 x aggressive radiotherapy sessions at Christies in Manchester having been diagnosed with Grade 4 locally advanced prostate cancer at the beginning of last year.   However, we have now received the follow up appointments which i'm a little disappointed with and would like to know what anyone else has had.

The first one is a telephone consultation with a nurse at the end of this month just to see how things are then he has an outpatient appointment at the end of May with a nurse at a local GP clinic (not his own GP) and has been informed to arrange his own PSA tests prior to the appointment.     We are a bit taken aback because we were led to believe that at the 6-month check post treatment he would be rescanned, bloods, PSA, etc etc. would be done to check if the treatment was successful or not.    Now it feels that we are in limo and won't know anything!

Our problem is that when my husband went for the initial tests in November/December 2018, he had a prostate test and the results came back normal.   It was only when a scan showed a 2cm tumour in his bladder he was taken in for a TURBT procedure to have it removed as it was thought he had bladder cancer, that they found it had stemmed from the prostate.   Turned out he has a very unusual prostate cancer!    His last PSA reading prior to radiotherapy was 0.75  He is currently still on 3 month hormone injections.

I would appreciate feedback on other guy's experiences post treatment prior to me contacting the consultant with our concerns.   Maybe i'm just worrying over nothing but for me it's the thought of not knowing.

Thank you

 

 

 

 

 

 

User
Posted 15 Jan 2020 at 09:14
I would recommend you contact your MacMillan nurse (in hospital) and discuss where you are.

I had a similar experience re post treatment in that there was no clear guidance post treatment.

I have read related press articles that given the demands on NHS charities such as this one

and MacMillan are picking much of this void.

User
Posted 15 Jan 2020 at 10:03
It seems unusual not to have a follow-up with your consultant, or his or her registrar at least. I'd give your consultant's secretary a ring and query it.

Best wishes,

Chris

User
Posted 15 Jan 2020 at 17:17

Hi Angela, 

I am in a very similar position to your husband, treated at the Christie, I finished RT about 12 months ago. Though it seems a poor follow up, I think it is reasonable at least it was for me and my cancer.

I am on HT my PSA is now <0.1 and has been since a few months before RT treatment.

I was told after treatment "any problems, give us a call". I didn't have any problems so that was fine. 

First review is by telephone and is really just to ask if you have "any problems".

So first real follow up is six months after treatment. I have to go to my GP to get PSA about a week before. This has always come back as <0.1 (so far). I then go to see the specialist nurse at Ashton Health Centre, which is not my local GP, but I guess has some spare rooms. The nurse is sent out from the Christie Hospital, she is not just a nurse from the local GP surgery. I am as happy to see her as my consultant. 

She looks at PSA and says "that's good". I then go through a list of any questions I have (I write them down beforehand), she usually goes through a list of known side effects and I say whether I have them or not. She offers advice and would presumably refer me on if necessary. 

About a week later she writes to my GP summarising the meeting and I get a copy. Eventually I get a letter for the next appointment in six months.

For me this is fine, my cancer emits PSA, the HT reduces the PSA to near zero. There is no need to monitor things very closely until I come off HT (only one more injection to go, hooray!). Once I'm off HT we will just have to see how fast PSA rises, maybe I will then need monitoring more closely.

Will it be fine for your husband? I don't know. If he is on HT and the HT is controlling the cancer, and the cancer emits PSA I would say this would be fine. However your husbands cancer does not emit much PSA and is unusual so maybe it needs monitoring by something more than just a PSA test.

So in short I think the monitoring is fine for people with normal prostate cancer. I think the Christie are assuming your hubby has normal prostate cancer, if it is "unusual" yes give them a call and ask them to explain why they think six monthly psa check is sufficient.

Dave

User
Posted 15 Jan 2020 at 18:16
It's not the six-monthly checks that would concern me (I was treated at Clatterbridge, and that's what I'm on too) but the fact that the appointment is with a nurse rather than a doctor.

Best wishes,

Chris

User
Posted 15 Jan 2020 at 20:33

"There are some rare types of prostate cancer that do not produce any PSA so blood tests all come back normal - these types are notoriously difficult to diagnose before they have spread so while it is awful to know that your partner has cancer, he is rather fortunate that this one was identified before it had gone to his bones or elsewhere.

If you have received a copy of the diagnosis letter from the urologist / oncologist to the GP it should say somewhere which type he has been diagnosed with. It is unlikely to be small cell or large cell PCa as he has been put on hormones, but your letter may say something like ductal cell carcinoma? If you haven't received a copy of the diagnosis letter, your OH can request one from the GP practice."

 

This is what I posted to you in February 2019; although you didn't respond at the time, did you confirm exactly what kind of prostate cancer he had been diagnosed with? If the letter says adenocarcinoma, the consultant may simply have meant that it was unusual because it had spread but with a low PSA.

The appointment system you are being puled into now is normal for Christie's - while he is still on HT, scans wouldn't tell them anything really and as Chris says, the clinical nurse specialist is probably more helpful / engaging than the oncologist and can probably give more time to each patient.

 

Edited by member 15 Jan 2020 at 20:34  | Reason: Not specified

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 15 Jan 2020 at 20:36
PS so soon after the RT and still on HT, you wouldn't know anything for sure even if you saw the onco and had scans, etc.
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

 
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