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Posted 14 May 2020 at 10:19

Hi all,

I've thought long and hard about posting this for a while now as I feel that perhaps I shouldn't, but....

I've not been active here for quite a while now, the reasons are basically two fold it wasn't doing my mental health any good keep being reminded of the sword of Damocles hanging over my head - I needed to be getting on with living rather than contemplating my PCa navel. Also as time went on friends on here started succumbing to the disease while I bumbled quietly onwards.

I've popped back in on occasion, felt bad and left again.

However, here is an update of my current status. As some of you will possibly remember, I was diagnosed just over seven years ago with a PSA around 500 Gleason 8 (5+3), T3a, N0 M0 (I had to look it up I'm pleased to say, I couldn't remember) I had radiotherapy plus Aberaterone as a trail drug all served with a side order of Zoladex.

Bottom line, numbers dropped to 0.01 within the year and stayed there.

Had to have an adult discussion with my Oncologist regarding having a hormone holiday as he was concerned with the high original PSA numbers but we agreed a trail period.

Fast forward to today, numbers still at 0.01, still off HT and been discharged from Oncology care. 
I receive my PSA tests via my GP with a plan to return me to Oncology care if the numbers move.
It's not all great, libido is zero but the boss is a trouper, my bladder and bowel function is 'erratic' from RT damage but we live a 'new normal' life.
I'm watching the grandchildren grow up, something I didn't think would ever happen.
So, swings and roundabouts.

So, fantastic news for me but I feel survivors guilt or something similar when I know others have not been so fortunate.

From those that remember me from the summer meet ups as a bit of a chunky monkey I've joined the local gym and lost over four stone in old money. Plus I was a poster boy for the gyms last nationwide advertising push, mainly on social media but hey - I'll take it! Here is the web page if you are interested.

So, take this as a tale of hope and good news or as an enormous bragging post (not my intention) and hopefully take away something positive.

All the best and keep well my friends

Kevin

User
Posted 14 May 2020 at 10:19

Hi all,

I've thought long and hard about posting this for a while now as I feel that perhaps I shouldn't, but....

I've not been active here for quite a while now, the reasons are basically two fold it wasn't doing my mental health any good keep being reminded of the sword of Damocles hanging over my head - I needed to be getting on with living rather than contemplating my PCa navel. Also as time went on friends on here started succumbing to the disease while I bumbled quietly onwards.

I've popped back in on occasion, felt bad and left again.

However, here is an update of my current status. As some of you will possibly remember, I was diagnosed just over seven years ago with a PSA around 500 Gleason 8 (5+3), T3a, N0 M0 (I had to look it up I'm pleased to say, I couldn't remember) I had radiotherapy plus Aberaterone as a trail drug all served with a side order of Zoladex.

Bottom line, numbers dropped to 0.01 within the year and stayed there.

Had to have an adult discussion with my Oncologist regarding having a hormone holiday as he was concerned with the high original PSA numbers but we agreed a trail period.

Fast forward to today, numbers still at 0.01, still off HT and been discharged from Oncology care. 
I receive my PSA tests via my GP with a plan to return me to Oncology care if the numbers move.
It's not all great, libido is zero but the boss is a trouper, my bladder and bowel function is 'erratic' from RT damage but we live a 'new normal' life.
I'm watching the grandchildren grow up, something I didn't think would ever happen.
So, swings and roundabouts.

So, fantastic news for me but I feel survivors guilt or something similar when I know others have not been so fortunate.

From those that remember me from the summer meet ups as a bit of a chunky monkey I've joined the local gym and lost over four stone in old money. Plus I was a poster boy for the gyms last nationwide advertising push, mainly on social media but hey - I'll take it! Here is the web page if you are interested.

So, take this as a tale of hope and good news or as an enormous bragging post (not my intention) and hopefully take away something positive.

All the best and keep well my friends

Kevin

User
Posted 14 May 2020 at 14:12
Chilled, great to see your update and also to see your slimmed down self - I wonder if we will ever have a Mill-on-the-Soar opportunity again 😒

Don't ever feel guilty about coming on here and posting - newly diagnosed men really, really need to see the stories of those that have had good outcomes. What is life without hope or optimism?

Stay well!

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 14 May 2020 at 10:47

That's really good to hear.
I think you are probably the second highest non-metastatic PSA I've come across. (Highest was in the 600's if I recall correctly.)

Regarding the no libido, do you know if your testosterone has recovered? I can't see when you came off HT. The extremely low PSA (for someone who still has a prostate) might also suggest you don't have any testosterone - you would probably expect your PSA to have gone up to around 1 if it had recovered. It can take up to 18 months to reappear, but occasionally doesn't at all. You could ask for a testosterone test if you're interested to know, but unless you were willing to go on to testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) which does come with a risk of waking any sleeping micro-mets, it might just be for interest.

Edited by member 14 May 2020 at 10:49  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 14 May 2020 at 11:53
chilled,thats really good that,i stopped zoladex april 2016 psa 0.04 next check up next month,t3b no mo psa 65 in 2014,regards testesterone mine has not recovered,because i was on trt before for a while before being diagnosed,so my own test is shut down,i would be willing to have a little bit of test and being monitored,but when i asked the urologist he said not a good idea because there might be sleeping cancer cells,but hes not suffering no test effects i do weight training at home 3 times a week,but its a waste of time with no test.cheers.
User
Posted 14 May 2020 at 12:53

The business of TRT for former cancer patients came up at last year's Chorleywood Men's Health day.

We had the top urologists there (President of the institute, and another one the head of the English branch, and two more senior uros), and they were all of the view that TRT was fine if you are in remission and believed cured. The comments were something along the lines "we go to a lot of effort nowadays to plan for the best quality of life after treatment, and then to elect to stay without testosterone afterwards is a bit strange". Of course, like the treatment choices after diagnosis, it's a personal choice, and you get to decide what's important for you regarding QoL.

I did read one patient on a US forum who elected to stay on HT because it had completely reversed his baldness, and that was seemingly the most important thing to him. (He could perhaps have switched to Finasteride or Dutasteride and got some testosterone back, but I think he stayed on whatever GnRH HT drug he'd been on throughout).

Edited by member 14 May 2020 at 12:57  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 14 May 2020 at 13:40

Great to read your upbeat post Kevin.  My husband began his PCa journey in August 2019 and he is awaiting a CT scan result following chemo to check on possible spread to pelvis/hip bone.  We have everything crossed at the moment.

You are helping to give hope to others.

Thanks,

Angex

User
Posted 14 May 2020 at 14:22
Really great to hear from you chilled! I’m just coming up to 5 yrs post op and have declined all further treatment so far although I should be on HT ideally. I feel fit as a dog , excellent sexual function and bladder , and a dream job as school caretaker. My head isn’t buried in the sand but this is how I want it so far. Psa is at 440 but all bloods look ok. Oncology phone call tomorrow. He’s not pushing me but I think he will soon. I’ll settle for another 3 months and then the scans again. Good luck and thanks for posting
User
Posted 14 May 2020 at 15:37

That’s great to hear. I am new to this forum and my journey is just beginning as only diagnosed in March this year and to quote Lyn - “newly diagnosed men really, really need to see the stories of those that have had good outcomes”

I appreciate your post and the information shared on the forum, it has helped me to become more informed when people have answered questions or shared experiences 

all the best

 

User
Posted 14 May 2020 at 16:54
This is great, really uplifting. Fab photo too πŸ‹πŸΌβ€β™‚οΈπŸ‹πŸ»β€β™€οΈπŸ‹πŸ» my husband is just starting out on the journey so stories like yours are helpful as we are feeling desolate and bereft right now.

Thank you 🌹

User
Posted 14 May 2020 at 18:21

Hi Kevin, 

Wonderful news to hear how well you're doing.  I'm so pleased for you.

Considering your original diagnosis it's a minor miracle and an inspiration to all on this site.

Let's hope it stays that well for you for many years and we can meet up for another drink sometime. 

All the Best, 

Steve 

 

 

Edited by member 14 May 2020 at 18:23  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 14 May 2020 at 19:42
Hey all,

thanks for your kind words, they are very appreciated!

Steve - a little drinkie and a catch up would be great.

cheers Kevin

User
Posted 15 May 2020 at 00:56

What great news.  We get enough negative stuff, so it’s great to see this.

ulsterman

User
Posted 15 May 2020 at 07:00

Chris sounds like you need to push for up front ABI if you ever decide to do HT!

What a good news story chilled, maybe it was the significant weight loss what done it??

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User
Posted 14 May 2020 at 10:47

That's really good to hear.
I think you are probably the second highest non-metastatic PSA I've come across. (Highest was in the 600's if I recall correctly.)

Regarding the no libido, do you know if your testosterone has recovered? I can't see when you came off HT. The extremely low PSA (for someone who still has a prostate) might also suggest you don't have any testosterone - you would probably expect your PSA to have gone up to around 1 if it had recovered. It can take up to 18 months to reappear, but occasionally doesn't at all. You could ask for a testosterone test if you're interested to know, but unless you were willing to go on to testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) which does come with a risk of waking any sleeping micro-mets, it might just be for interest.

Edited by member 14 May 2020 at 10:49  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 14 May 2020 at 11:15
Hi Andy,

glad my post was taken in the hoped for way!

I've been off HT for over three years now, so I guess it is out of my system :)

Regarding testosterone, my GP isn't keen in offering tests as my last one was 'low normal' (just scraped into the bottom of the normal range) So all good as far as he is concerned. As a placatory measure he gave me Viagra on repeat prescription, but I've not bothered with them as the 'drive' is just a big void. My wife and I have discussed it together and have agreed if it happens, great but we wouldn't go chasing.

My Oncologist discussed taking TRT but what with the risks associated with assumed but not found micro mets I didn't want to kick the hornets nest. Que Sera Sera is our approach.

All the best

Kevin

User
Posted 14 May 2020 at 11:53
chilled,thats really good that,i stopped zoladex april 2016 psa 0.04 next check up next month,t3b no mo psa 65 in 2014,regards testesterone mine has not recovered,because i was on trt before for a while before being diagnosed,so my own test is shut down,i would be willing to have a little bit of test and being monitored,but when i asked the urologist he said not a good idea because there might be sleeping cancer cells,but hes not suffering no test effects i do weight training at home 3 times a week,but its a waste of time with no test.cheers.
User
Posted 14 May 2020 at 12:07
Hi radar,

interesting what you say about weight training.

Being a bit of a geek I monitored my body weekly during my gym./weight loss time and my muscle mass declined slightly over the complete period. When I hit my weight target I went on an eight week trial using a personal trainer with creatine before workouts and protein shakes to see if that actually did anything regarding muscle gain.

Increase was zero! I have also put that down to the low T levels.

Once the gyms reopen I'll be trying again...

User
Posted 14 May 2020 at 12:53

The business of TRT for former cancer patients came up at last year's Chorleywood Men's Health day.

We had the top urologists there (President of the institute, and another one the head of the English branch, and two more senior uros), and they were all of the view that TRT was fine if you are in remission and believed cured. The comments were something along the lines "we go to a lot of effort nowadays to plan for the best quality of life after treatment, and then to elect to stay without testosterone afterwards is a bit strange". Of course, like the treatment choices after diagnosis, it's a personal choice, and you get to decide what's important for you regarding QoL.

I did read one patient on a US forum who elected to stay on HT because it had completely reversed his baldness, and that was seemingly the most important thing to him. (He could perhaps have switched to Finasteride or Dutasteride and got some testosterone back, but I think he stayed on whatever GnRH HT drug he'd been on throughout).

Edited by member 14 May 2020 at 12:57  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 14 May 2020 at 13:40

Great to read your upbeat post Kevin.  My husband began his PCa journey in August 2019 and he is awaiting a CT scan result following chemo to check on possible spread to pelvis/hip bone.  We have everything crossed at the moment.

You are helping to give hope to others.

Thanks,

Angex

User
Posted 14 May 2020 at 14:12
Chilled, great to see your update and also to see your slimmed down self - I wonder if we will ever have a Mill-on-the-Soar opportunity again 😒

Don't ever feel guilty about coming on here and posting - newly diagnosed men really, really need to see the stories of those that have had good outcomes. What is life without hope or optimism?

Stay well!

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 14 May 2020 at 14:22
Really great to hear from you chilled! I’m just coming up to 5 yrs post op and have declined all further treatment so far although I should be on HT ideally. I feel fit as a dog , excellent sexual function and bladder , and a dream job as school caretaker. My head isn’t buried in the sand but this is how I want it so far. Psa is at 440 but all bloods look ok. Oncology phone call tomorrow. He’s not pushing me but I think he will soon. I’ll settle for another 3 months and then the scans again. Good luck and thanks for posting
User
Posted 14 May 2020 at 15:37

That’s great to hear. I am new to this forum and my journey is just beginning as only diagnosed in March this year and to quote Lyn - “newly diagnosed men really, really need to see the stories of those that have had good outcomes”

I appreciate your post and the information shared on the forum, it has helped me to become more informed when people have answered questions or shared experiences 

all the best

 

User
Posted 14 May 2020 at 16:54
This is great, really uplifting. Fab photo too πŸ‹πŸΌβ€β™‚οΈπŸ‹πŸ»β€β™€οΈπŸ‹πŸ» my husband is just starting out on the journey so stories like yours are helpful as we are feeling desolate and bereft right now.

Thank you 🌹

User
Posted 14 May 2020 at 18:21

Hi Kevin, 

Wonderful news to hear how well you're doing.  I'm so pleased for you.

Considering your original diagnosis it's a minor miracle and an inspiration to all on this site.

Let's hope it stays that well for you for many years and we can meet up for another drink sometime. 

All the Best, 

Steve 

 

 

Edited by member 14 May 2020 at 18:23  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 14 May 2020 at 19:42
Hey all,

thanks for your kind words, they are very appreciated!

Steve - a little drinkie and a catch up would be great.

cheers Kevin

User
Posted 15 May 2020 at 00:56

What great news.  We get enough negative stuff, so it’s great to see this.

ulsterman

User
Posted 15 May 2020 at 07:00

Chris sounds like you need to push for up front ABI if you ever decide to do HT!

What a good news story chilled, maybe it was the significant weight loss what done it??

User
Posted 15 May 2020 at 09:33

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

maybe it was the significant weight loss what done it??

I'm sure it's not done any harm but the numbers were down before I started my lifestyle change.

However, I _did_ suffer with sleep apnoea and used a CPAP machine - not any more. So I'm chalking that one up to the weight loss!

 

 
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