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External penile support devices

User
Posted 24 Sep 2020 at 12:24

I had radical prostatectomy 18 months ago with bilateral nerve sparing. I have been able to get 70 - 80 % erections from early on with tadalafil or sildenafil, but these are not strong enough for intercourse. They also do not seem to get any better. I have recently seen online some products called "external penile support devices", for example The Elator from the US and Stays-Hard from the UK. These work like miniature external scaffolding to give the penis support for penetration. In principle they seem sound but I am surprised there is so little information out there on them. Has anyone here tried these?

User
Posted 18 Nov 2020 at 11:37

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

Or are you supposed to put them on while flaccid? In which case, do they not simply restrict the flow both to and from the penis?

Others have already made the key point - put the ring on anytime, and the force with which blood flows in is greater than the outflow. If you can get to 70 or 80% you can get a ring to work.

What I can add, as somebody working my way through this at the moment, is that I have been surprised how tight the ring needs to be for penetrative sex. 

My experience is with a pump, and it comes with an array of ring sizes. Just for rehab, the largest ring works fine.

When masturbating, even a relatively large ring (one size smaller than the rehab ring) is enough to just slow down the outflow of blood and so build up a hard erection. However when I take that same ring into a partnered sex situation, there is simply too much movement going on, and the erection fades quickly.

I have to use a ring that is two sizes smaller to have a hope of keeping the erection long enough for ongoing penetrative sex. When I look at the ring it's almost scary - so much smaller than my normal erect girth. 

Wishing you good luck and hoping your way forward is hard....

User
Posted 18 Nov 2020 at 15:46
I can fully sanction Chris, his suggestion a while back has transformed my "reliability'. The durex rings are comfortable and dont create a hinge. They also help with any wee issues during arousal!

In fact even if you don't need one get one anyway they are so simple and unobtrusive to use.

You must have some natural erection capability clearly they won't work if nothing whatsoever stirs down there.

User
Posted 31 Mar 2021 at 13:47

The Stays-Hard Device  from the UK is very easy to use and no complaints

from the Wife .

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User
Posted 24 Sep 2020 at 13:24
You could still see much improvement over the next 12 months in honesty. I’ve seen these devices but they look horrible. I think a pump and tight ring would be better although still not ideal.

Have you tried a very simple Durex constriction ring or similar from Lovehoney or Anne Summers. They can seriously help you achieve that extra 15 to 20 %.

Good luck

If life gives you lemons , then make lemonade

User
Posted 24 Sep 2020 at 15:44

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

Have you tried a very simple Durex constriction ring or similar from Lovehoney or Anne Summers. They can seriously help you achieve that extra 15 to 20 %.
Good luck

I have seen the Durex rings, but I am not sure how they would help get the extra "stiffness"? Are you supposed to put them on when hard? In which case they won't work on me as I never quite get all the way there.

Or are you supposed to put them on while flaccid? In which case, do they not simply restrict the flow both to and from the penis?

User
Posted 24 Sep 2020 at 16:00
There are so many things you can try before resorting to scaffolding - in all the years I have been on this forum, I have never seen anyone post that they had tried the external support or that it had been successful. Given the number of men on here grappling with ED, if it was a realistic solution, members would have been recommending it to each other.

There are a number of practical steps you can take:-

- your post suggests to me that you are not under the care of an ED nurse? Have you asked whether there is an ED clinic / andrology service in your area and if so, ask the GP to refer you

- are you taking the sildenafil on an empty stomach and leaving sufficient time for it to work? In our house, John would have to take the Sildenafil in the afternoon to have intercourse in the evening, or at bed time for sex the next morning.

- is there a possibility that anxiety is preventing the tablets from working?

- are you actually randy at the right time - the tablets don't work without desire

- if the two work but not well enough, it is worth trying levitra - we have found it more effective than either of the others and it works slightly quicker (although John still needs to take it a couple of hours before the planned 'deed')

As CJ has suggested, a cock ring can improve a partial erection, and if you haven't already got one, you could ask the GP / ED nurse about a prescription for a vacuum pump. Then there is the range of creams / pellets / injections (although the cream / pellets don't seem to work for many men) - lots of things still to try!

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 24 Sep 2020 at 17:05

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
There are so many things you can try before resorting to scaffolding -  

Thank you! I have been using a vacuum pump for rehab for over a year now. I have had success with it for sex, too, but the all the prep and the "hinged" erection are off putting. I do get nocturnal semis as well, when lying on my left side for some reason. Tadalafil and sildenafil (on empty stomach) have a similar effect; about 80% there. I will ask my ED nurse about levitra when I see her next month.

I am trying to avoid going down the route of injections/pellets/cream if I can avoid it. Hence I am very interested to find out how to use over the counter cock rings, as I don't get the principle! I hope Chris J can throw some light by elaborating a bit more on his previous post!

User
Posted 24 Sep 2020 at 17:14
Yes mate you just put it on before or when semi. If you are aroused or stimulated it works by still allowing the blood in but it squeezes on the return vein on top of penis stopping blood escaping. It really works and can have magic results. You can get a pack of 3 simple rubber ones for £10 off Lovehoney.com.

Good luck

If life gives you lemons , then make lemonade

User
Posted 24 Sep 2020 at 17:27

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
Yes mate you just put it on before or when semi.

Bril! thanks for that.

I'll give it a go; got to try everything!

User
Posted 18 Nov 2020 at 11:37

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

Or are you supposed to put them on while flaccid? In which case, do they not simply restrict the flow both to and from the penis?

Others have already made the key point - put the ring on anytime, and the force with which blood flows in is greater than the outflow. If you can get to 70 or 80% you can get a ring to work.

What I can add, as somebody working my way through this at the moment, is that I have been surprised how tight the ring needs to be for penetrative sex. 

My experience is with a pump, and it comes with an array of ring sizes. Just for rehab, the largest ring works fine.

When masturbating, even a relatively large ring (one size smaller than the rehab ring) is enough to just slow down the outflow of blood and so build up a hard erection. However when I take that same ring into a partnered sex situation, there is simply too much movement going on, and the erection fades quickly.

I have to use a ring that is two sizes smaller to have a hope of keeping the erection long enough for ongoing penetrative sex. When I look at the ring it's almost scary - so much smaller than my normal erect girth. 

Wishing you good luck and hoping your way forward is hard....

User
Posted 18 Nov 2020 at 15:46
I can fully sanction Chris, his suggestion a while back has transformed my "reliability'. The durex rings are comfortable and dont create a hinge. They also help with any wee issues during arousal!

In fact even if you don't need one get one anyway they are so simple and unobtrusive to use.

You must have some natural erection capability clearly they won't work if nothing whatsoever stirs down there.

User
Posted 31 Mar 2021 at 13:47

The Stays-Hard Device  from the UK is very easy to use and no complaints

from the Wife .

 
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