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Late onset radiation cystitis

User
Posted 25 Jan 2021 at 08:53

Hello folks,

My Dad, almost 85 and almost 5 years on from RT, suffered a spell of brown urine this week, just on one day. This is his first time with this symptom, but he's had bleeding from rectal damage on and off since a year after RT. He had constipation this week too.

His last PSA result, 6 months ago, about 16 months after his last Zoladex implant, was <0.014. His next test result is due tomorrow. This is probably why I'm fretting so much at the moment, and I wish I lived nearer to him.

Anyway, he spoke to one of the nurses on his team, who didn't seem unduly worried about the bloody urine and told him to cut out tea and coffee for a while. 

Have any of you suffered late onset radiation cystitis? Apparently, it's rare but they say that about rectal damage too and yet in reality it seems to be quite common. Would cystitis cause an increase in PSA? And lastly the concern that's causing me sleepless nights -- might this bleeding be a sign of something more sinister?

many thanks for reading,

Denise

Edited by member 25 Jan 2021 at 09:39  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 08 Feb 2021 at 14:13

Radiation cystitis is far more common than radiologists will admit. I have suffered from It with occasional substantial bleeding. I am receiving treatment for it which consists of monthly installations into the bladder of a product called Cystistat, its just 50 ml of clear liquid through a narrow gauge catheter, I have been trained to do the procedure myself at my urology dept--its not a final fix, but I'm certain that with episodes of treatment followed by gaps, it will keep the problem under control. Unfortunately many urology depts will not provide this service, they claim it does not work whereas other professionals see positive results--SOME CLINICIANS ARE QUITE BLINKERED

 

 

User
Posted 25 Jan 2021 at 10:20

Radiation cystitis and radiation proctitis (pain or bleeding from rectum due to radiation burns) are rare as significant quality of life side effects, but I think they're more common as incidental side effects without impact on quality of life. (I have minor painless radiation proctitis, which has no impact on my quality of life.)

In both cases, he does need to be checked out that the blood is just due to this and not something more sinister, with a flexible cystoscopy and a sigmoidoscopy, but if it is radiation cystitis and radiation proctitis and they aren't impacting quality of life and not bad enough that he's becoming anemic, then usually no treatment is required.

So he should be asking for a referral to urology for flexible cystoscopy, and referral to colorectal for a sigmoidoscopy. This will also depend on his health and life expectancy, as the older you are, the more they worry about damaging you by sticking things inside you and the less likely they are to find something which needs treating to increase your lifespan, but that's for the consultants to weigh up when they see your dad.

I cannot imagine tea and coffee having any impact on this. He should get the constipation fixed - straining could increase the bleeding.

Edited by member 25 Jan 2021 at 10:23  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 26 Jan 2021 at 09:14

Deejay

I suffered with radiation cystitis to the point where it has had a detrimental effect on my bladder. I now have a Catheter for life and a bladder capacity of an egg cup. It is rare and as such is not understood by many medical staff. My RT department blamed urology and vice versa. My first symptoms were blood in the urine followed by lots and blood clots, tissue and debris. 

Make sure you are referred to a specialist who understands pelvic radiation treatment. 

Thanks Chris

 

 

 

The level of severity of symptoms is graded by Radiation Therapy Oncology Group (RTOG) as follows:

 

Grade 1 - any evidence of epithelial damage or atrophy, telangiectasia, microscopic hematuria

Grade 2 - any moderate frequency, generalized telangiectasia, intermittent macroscopic hematuria, intermittent urinary incontinence

Grade 3 - any severe frequency or urgency, severe telangiectasia, persistent incontinence, reduced bladder capacity < 150 mL, frequent hematuria

Grade 4 - any necrosis, fistula, hemorrhagic cystitis, reduced bladder capacity < 100 mL, refractory incontinence requiring either catheter or surgical intervention [1]

Edited by member 26 Jan 2021 at 09:36  | Reason: Added definitions

User
Posted 26 Jan 2021 at 10:23

Denise

Unfortunately by the time I got to see one of the top urologists in the country,I was too far gone. Hyperbaric oxygen treatment is one suggested treatment but I doubt many of those are operating during the current covid situation.

Hopefully your Dad's situation is not too severe. The pelvic radiation disease Association gave me some help a few years ago.

Nice too see you are looking out for him.

Thanks Chris

User
Posted 29 Jan 2021 at 22:11

Hiya Denise,

Just to reiterate what Chris mentioned about contacting the Pelvic Radiation Disease Association. I phoned them in December 2019 due to blood in urine followed by a series of clots. They were really understanding and knowledgeable, and gave sound advice. They gave me the name of a consultant in my area who specialises in such cases, but fortunately the symptoms subsided so I didn’t need to make contact. I did have a cystoscopy however, which diagnosed radiation changes (damage) to the neck of my bladder. The one thing I’ve done is drink copious amounts of herb tea just to feel I’m doing something to help it.

All the best, Paul.

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User
Posted 25 Jan 2021 at 10:20

Radiation cystitis and radiation proctitis (pain or bleeding from rectum due to radiation burns) are rare as significant quality of life side effects, but I think they're more common as incidental side effects without impact on quality of life. (I have minor painless radiation proctitis, which has no impact on my quality of life.)

In both cases, he does need to be checked out that the blood is just due to this and not something more sinister, with a flexible cystoscopy and a sigmoidoscopy, but if it is radiation cystitis and radiation proctitis and they aren't impacting quality of life and not bad enough that he's becoming anemic, then usually no treatment is required.

So he should be asking for a referral to urology for flexible cystoscopy, and referral to colorectal for a sigmoidoscopy. This will also depend on his health and life expectancy, as the older you are, the more they worry about damaging you by sticking things inside you and the less likely they are to find something which needs treating to increase your lifespan, but that's for the consultants to weigh up when they see your dad.

I cannot imagine tea and coffee having any impact on this. He should get the constipation fixed - straining could increase the bleeding.

Edited by member 25 Jan 2021 at 10:23  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 25 Jan 2021 at 10:34

Thanks for the reply. Rectal damage has been diagnosed after a colonoscopy. The brown urine is new. If it is cystitis, I suppose coffee might irritate it further. I don't know. He's on warfarin too, which would increase or prolong any bleeding.

He's been through such a lot over the last 5 years, I hate to think he had to go through more tests at 85, but we'll see what the nurse suggests at his telephone consultation tomorrow.

User
Posted 26 Jan 2021 at 09:14

Deejay

I suffered with radiation cystitis to the point where it has had a detrimental effect on my bladder. I now have a Catheter for life and a bladder capacity of an egg cup. It is rare and as such is not understood by many medical staff. My RT department blamed urology and vice versa. My first symptoms were blood in the urine followed by lots and blood clots, tissue and debris. 

Make sure you are referred to a specialist who understands pelvic radiation treatment. 

Thanks Chris

 

 

 

The level of severity of symptoms is graded by Radiation Therapy Oncology Group (RTOG) as follows:

 

Grade 1 - any evidence of epithelial damage or atrophy, telangiectasia, microscopic hematuria

Grade 2 - any moderate frequency, generalized telangiectasia, intermittent macroscopic hematuria, intermittent urinary incontinence

Grade 3 - any severe frequency or urgency, severe telangiectasia, persistent incontinence, reduced bladder capacity < 150 mL, frequent hematuria

Grade 4 - any necrosis, fistula, hemorrhagic cystitis, reduced bladder capacity < 100 mL, refractory incontinence requiring either catheter or surgical intervention [1]

Edited by member 26 Jan 2021 at 09:36  | Reason: Added definitions

User
Posted 26 Jan 2021 at 10:03

Thanks Chris. Sounds like you had a unpleasant experience. I hope you're getting the care you need now and your symptoms are controlled.

Thanks for your advice about finding someone who understands pelvic radiation. I think I need to take more of a role in dealing with nurses/GPs/specialists regarding my dad's treatments/issues anyway. He was supposed to have a phone consultation today and they didn't phone. Maybe because he talked to a nurse briefly last week, but these things need to be made clear. And my Dad gets confused sometimes and I'm relying on him to give me information.

My best wishes to you,

Denise

User
Posted 26 Jan 2021 at 10:23

Denise

Unfortunately by the time I got to see one of the top urologists in the country,I was too far gone. Hyperbaric oxygen treatment is one suggested treatment but I doubt many of those are operating during the current covid situation.

Hopefully your Dad's situation is not too severe. The pelvic radiation disease Association gave me some help a few years ago.

Nice too see you are looking out for him.

Thanks Chris

User
Posted 26 Jan 2021 at 10:48

Thanks again, Chris.

I'll take a look at the Pelvic Radiation Disease Assoc. And I've tried to contact one of the nurses on my Dad's MDT. Left a message. Hopefully, she will get back to me soon.

Denise

User
Posted 29 Jan 2021 at 22:11

Hiya Denise,

Just to reiterate what Chris mentioned about contacting the Pelvic Radiation Disease Association. I phoned them in December 2019 due to blood in urine followed by a series of clots. They were really understanding and knowledgeable, and gave sound advice. They gave me the name of a consultant in my area who specialises in such cases, but fortunately the symptoms subsided so I didn’t need to make contact. I did have a cystoscopy however, which diagnosed radiation changes (damage) to the neck of my bladder. The one thing I’ve done is drink copious amounts of herb tea just to feel I’m doing something to help it.

All the best, Paul.

User
Posted 01 Feb 2021 at 11:05

Thanks Paul. I'm pleased your symptoms subsided. It must have been a worrying time.

All my Dad had was a couple of episodes of dark (perhaps brown) urine one night. Nothing since. He saw a urologist on Friday but an exploratory test has been postponed because of my Dad's anxiety levels. But just before the possible haematuria, he was thrown off his seat when a bus driver had to brake sharply.  He fell to the ground and bumped his head. He had a scan of some kind on his head, but he's OK, physically at least. 

I didn't immediately link the two things (stupidly) -- the accident and the urine issue -- but of course, they could be linked. And my Dad is taking warfarin, which causes him to bleed much more easily.

As for the hospital procedure. Although the nurse said he would have a cytoscopy, when the appointment came through, he was booked into the diagnostic imaging department for a procedure that requires a full bladder. Sounds more like an ultrasound it me. 

Edited by member 01 Feb 2021 at 11:07  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 08 Feb 2021 at 14:13

Radiation cystitis is far more common than radiologists will admit. I have suffered from It with occasional substantial bleeding. I am receiving treatment for it which consists of monthly installations into the bladder of a product called Cystistat, its just 50 ml of clear liquid through a narrow gauge catheter, I have been trained to do the procedure myself at my urology dept--its not a final fix, but I'm certain that with episodes of treatment followed by gaps, it will keep the problem under control. Unfortunately many urology depts will not provide this service, they claim it does not work whereas other professionals see positive results--SOME CLINICIANS ARE QUITE BLINKERED

 

 

User
Posted 08 Feb 2021 at 14:32

Thanks JohnofGaunt.

I've been doing a lot of research online. Late onset urinary issues are quite common, as you say. At least, the milder ones (grades 1 and 2) are. And sometimes they start many years after external radiation treatment and/or brachytherapy. We'll see whether my Dad is suffering with this soon, I hope. He's completely stressed out, as am I.

I'm pleased you've found a way to alleviate your symptoms.

 

 

 
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