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Partner newly diagnosed but will not talk about it

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Posted 20 Mar 2021 at 23:36

Hi 

Hope you are communicating more.  Are you working as a team or not ? Gillyflower .. posts encapsulate this, otherwise why be in a relationship at all, eh ? Obviously everyone is unique and some folk  go through life single or having loose, open relationships with or without physical sex.  From your post, I'm unclear exactly what is the issue, it's nothing to do with a cancer diagnosis in my humble opinion from your timeline posted...  Are you able to say what the routine surgery was and the 'back storyline'..   Again Gillyflower mentioned this.. Is your partner under stress ? Work etc and  is quite  depressed or reaching burn out .?  Have you asked him when he last had an erection ?  Is his libido zero then ?

Surgery is the most destructive option re. ED ? Doyou both fully understand all the implications of surgery ?    I hope posing these questions and other replies help you form a structured strategy.

Do you have a trusted friend who can support you ? You are certainly not selfish in my opinion, it's about distilling what's important for you and makes you happy.     Take care..

Regards Gordon

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Posted 21 Mar 2021 at 16:09

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
We had already not had sex for a year which I was worrying about and thinking it was me or the fact he was unhappy in the relationship, but everything else is good

Hi MCD2021,

Your situation is very hard.  I too had PC that, due to failed surgery and radiation bouts, put me on hormone therapy.  Yes, things can be hard intimately and sexually, however, it sounds like this issue began for your partner long before PC entered into the picture.  So, to me, the bigger issue is the fundamental disconnect he has with you around sex.  His PC condition is manageable, but his communication issues may not be. 

I wish you and your partner all the best, but if this doesn't change and you remain unhappy, you may have to take care of yourself by leaving him.

PS: my blog post is at https://community.prostatecanceruk.org/posts/t26825-The-rules-can-change if you want to know more about my story.

Edited by member 21 Mar 2021 at 16:13  | Reason: Not specified

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Posted 21 Mar 2021 at 18:47
One thing you do need to be aware of is that if he does go on hormone therapy, the one side-effect of this that almost everyone has is a total and complete loss of desire for sex. It's not that things stop working, but the desire totally disappears. This won't be any reflection on you, so please don't take it as one - it's a side-effect of the hormonal changes the drugs make to a man's body, which are very similar to the menopause in a woman.

Best wishes,

Chris

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Posted 21 Mar 2021 at 22:24
It is also possible that he has had ED for over a year and that is why he has been avoiding sex. ED can be an indicator of prostate cancer.
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 21 Mar 2021 at 22:52

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
We went for a walk today and he did start talking a bit more about things and what had actually happened at his appointment the other day.

This sounds like progress, and something the two of you could do again. He's been forced somewhere he couldn't handle, and it's taking him time to get his head around it, but it sounds like he's starting to do so. I'm guessing he's struggling with his own emotions, never mind anyone else's (yours), and hence shutting down. However, you may be seeing the beginning of turning the corner.

It sounds like you have offers of help to talk with him (which I'm also very happy to do). It can be useful to talk with someone he doesn't know with no emotional baggage, but who's already been where he is now. It enables offloading and talking about fears and concerns without also worrying about upsetting someone he knows (such as you).

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Posted 22 Mar 2021 at 11:46

It's heartbreaking for you, MCD, but you've kicked off a very good and valuable discussion.

It's amazing how much easier it is to talk while walking - getting out of the home environment and being side by side rather than having eye contact (or not) helps with the difficult stuff, doesn't it?  

I guess a counsellor would say that your man is grieving for himself, for his father and for your relationship as it was.  Not many people have been at their best these last twelve months, and he's processing it in his own way (possibly in the same kind of way his dad did, if he was anything like some men of that generation I've known). 

Everyone knows that a positive attitude is important to your health, and probably everyone appreciates that it's healthier to talk, but it's not so easy to do what he should if he is angry, frightened, worrying about something else or whatever.  It's unlikely he's going to move on much until he's had his treatment and (we very much hope) had positive news from the consultant afterwards.  One day he'll be glad that he is in the care of experts, rather than burying his head in the sand - and that you gave him so much support.  Tell him from us how lucky he was! 

I can tell you from experience that it's easy to tell the world good news and not want to share the bad.  Because of their own worse health, I haven't yet told my sisters about my cancer, a year on (or any friends).  I've now written to the sisters and said I'll call this week, and I'll mention it to friends when we can see them again (on a walk!)

So, thanks for getting me talking, and I / we wish you the very best of luck with the next stage and for the future.

KC

RP 07.03.20, PSA 4.1, Gleason 3+4=7 

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Posted 23 Mar 2021 at 22:00

Just a quick addition to my post.   My late husband did start to have some Ed before diagnosis and Yes the hormone treatment stops any desire to make love but the love for each other can get stronger.

I am glad you are starting to talk to each other. We didn't tell anyone apart from our children for a long time. Even when he died some people said they didn't know he had been ill, because he always seemed so fit.

 

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Posted 06 Apr 2021 at 14:40
Hi MCD

I don't come to this site very often (hence the late reply) but wanted to offer my best wishes to you both. Also, I wanted to offer a few perspectives on gettig the diagnosis and "processing" this. For me this has been intensely personal - my feelings a seem to be quite different to other men I have talked to (maybe because of my life history and how the PCa happened).

Firstly, the diagnosis was and wasn't a surprise - things like the "leaking" you mentioned, plus other things were being coped with by a really rather rubbish strategy of going "na na na ... I can't hear you body ... going to ignore you body". This and one of the the other things about me of trying to be "the strong one" in the relationship set me up for an awful lot of personal shame and guilt towards my partner. Add to this the poor prognosis from the first hospital visit, the undermining of self-image caused by the treatment, and that I'm not a person for admitting I need help and a downward mental spiral was going on.

Looking back it was pretty hellish as a time (at one point I was quite scared) but thanks to some specific help I came through it.

Maybe this has some similarities to your chap and maybe it doesn't. For example, for me it is easy to imagine the age gap would prey on my mind in his situation. Or maybe it's really different. Whatever the situation is inside him there maybe a few things that helped me that may be useful for you to know.

Another bit of information: when I did access mental health support I hid the fact from my wife: maybe that's a telling statement. I felt so bad in myself that I knew I needed help - but quite unable to tell my wife about what I was doing (but finally did so about six weeks later).

In those difficult days we did talk - sometimes good talks, sometimes less so. The first point is that what helped me most was knowing I was supported and that my partner was "there". She didn't need to being doing specific things - just being there and around and carrying on. I didn't need directive suggestions - things like "why don't you try / do this ..." are absolutely not the type of thing to get me talking (and talking has been a large part of getting cured). What helps much more is the type of interaction like - and this sounds a dreadful cliche - "how do you feel about that?". That allows me to express myself as much as I wish to at that time. So, that's the second point: using open rather than closed questions and comments and listening to the language one uses and what "works" at getting things discussed (there's a big difference for me between "what do you think is the best thing to do?" and "what do you feel is the best thing to do?").

I am afraid all the above is necessarily bloke-centered - and that it what I wanted to do, show that inside some men's heads (well mine) it can be difficult to for rubbish things to be processed and for feelings to get in and out.

Lastly, the above rather ignores what you are feeling and so on - on that score I hope you are getting the support you need and deserve also.

Once again, best wishes to you both.

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Posted 06 Apr 2021 at 18:25

Hello MCD, I am 58, very active, fit and healthy, PSA 11 Gleason 3+3 T1. I have been on AS for 18 months. Today I had a second consultation with my surgeon. He is keen that I have RARP.  I have spent most of the afternoon on this forum. The decision about whether/when to have surgery is always there in the back of my mind.

Most of the time I do not think about my cancer. I have a partner and we openly discuss options and my feelings fairly regularly. As has been pointed out, men want to process this challenging diagnosis in different ways.  And all those ways are valid but I do think that talking about it is not only useful but necessary.  We men, those with PCa, are in the fire and at times, we need to stay in the flames in order to feel the heat! Positivity is a great tool but realism is about addressing the world that we live in and sometimes this world is uncomfortable or overly hot!

I imagine that your partner is not used to a talking therapeutic process? Encouraging someone to talk about feelings is difficult if they do not want to. There are some techniques:

  1. Ask Open-Ended Questions. 
  2. Pick Up on Nonverbal Cues -  it may be useful to point these cues out eg. "You look away from me when you talk about...."
  3. Don't Try to Read Their Mind -  ask if you do not understand or say "Tell me more about...."
  4. Conversations are a Two-Way Street - repeat or summarise  what the other person says when you start your response. 
  5. Set Aside Time to Talk
  6. Tell Them What You Need From Them.

Good luck

Tim

 

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Posted 13 Jul 2021 at 11:05

Hello all. It’s been a rollercoaster of a few months but wanted to post an update, to see if anyone had any advice or experiences similar. My partner (55) has just had a radical prostatectomy with removal of lymph nodes, and he has just been told the cancer had spread into one of the nodes. He was told it was ‘very aggressive’ with Gleason score of 4+3. Unfortunately, had to wait for surgery due to Covid. He is now 19 days post-op and still suffering with severe continence issues, so feeling very low. Doing pelvic exercises but if anyone has tried one of the machines such as Innovo, please let me know. Next step is PSA test in a couple of weeks. I don’t know how much we can hope that it hasn’t spread further, but trying to stay positive. Unfortunately, as you all know, it’s just something we now have to live with and monitor. I was really hoping the surgery would have got it all out, but it was not to be. The only positive news is that he is definitely opening up more and is remarkably cheery, despite what is going on. He has even agreed for me to attend his next appointment with the consultant. I will be asking about next steps if PSA test comes back high, hormone therapy and chemo. Is there anything else I should ask or push for? Thanks everyone x

User
Posted 13 Jul 2021 at 13:43

MCD 

Too early to start worrying about the incontinence, he is still recovering inside from major surgery and being stitched back together. Take it easy but keep mobile, don't do anything to put a strain on that new joint or anything else.

RT with or without HT could be the next step, but that could be years away. I think something like 30 percent of us need follow up treatment after surgery. It was three years before I had salvage RT.

Stay positive and look after each other. 

Thanks Chris 

Added, personally I would not push the urine out.

 

 

 

 

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Posted 13 Jul 2021 at 13:55

Thanks Chris, yes I keep telling him it’s very early days so can’t expect things to snap back as quickly as he would like. And just to say he’s not pushing exactly but has definitely noticed his flow has got stronger since the op. We’ll take each day as it comes. Just a shock to hear the not so great news, but as always it could be a lot worse.

Take care

Edited by member 14 Jul 2021 at 07:52  | Reason: Not specified

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Posted 14 Jul 2021 at 14:08

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

Hello all. It’s been a rollercoaster of a few months  ... The only positive news is that he is definitely opening up more and is remarkably cheery, despite what is going on. He has even agreed for me to attend his next appointment with the consultant. 

I just want to honour you for your loving persistence in staying with him emotionally through the rollercoaster, and honour both of you for getting to the place where you can share some of the milestones like visiting the doctor together. Many men are brought up not to share such things, so it is a big deal to do this. 

My experience of my wife's support has been hugely helpful in my own transformation to be with my new normal.

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Posted 14 Jul 2021 at 15:00

Thanks for your lovely message, Mish58. It means so much to be able to speak to people like you going through very similar things, and has provided a lot of comfort. I read your biog and I’m pleased to see things are going well for you despite a few setbacks. We’ll be getting on to pumps etc in time but first of all need to sort out the continence as he’s feeling pretty fed up with the constant dribbling. I think everyone has different recovery times and I’m sure it will feel a bit like one step forward, two step back for a while, but we’ll get through. It definitely is an adjustment to the ‘new normal’ whatever that ends up being.

Take care 

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Posted 14 Jul 2021 at 15:21

Thank you so much! This support group was the first place I found in the world to get help when I was floundering after my surgery.

And on the different timescales - you are so right. One man I know, same age and fitness as me, healed his erectile dysfunction twice as fast as me, but had incontinence problems more than twice as long and severe as me. Each of us is different, and nobody else can know how hard it is emotionally to cope with whatever timescale is dished up to us.

 
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