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Posted 30 Mar 2021 at 09:11

How long after the MRI scan does it take for a diagnosis ?

User
Posted 30 Mar 2021 at 09:49
MRI doesn't produce a diagnosis so it depends what else has already been done. Usually, the MRI will be followed by a biopsy and then possibly other scans. Occasionally, the biopsy is done first and then followed with an MRI.

Once all the results are in, they are looked at and discussed by a multidisciplinary team before the patient is given the results and their recommendations for suitable treatment.

Depending on whether you have already had the biopsy, you could be talking 4-6 weeks for a diagnosis

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 30 Mar 2021 at 09:55

Di,

Sorry you have someone going through this.

The rough sequence of events, if it eventually leads to a prostate cancer diagnosis is:

mpMRI scan of abdomen/prostate
Biopsy
Initial diagnosis given, but extent not always clear yet.
Nuclear Bone Scan (usually, but not always done)
Abdominal CT Scan (rarely done)
PET/CT Scan (rarely done)
Whole body MRI scan (rarely done)
Treatment options given.

Obviously, you bail out of the process any point up to the initial diagnosis if you are found not to have prostate cancer.

Each diagnostic procedure, analysis of the results, discussion by the clinical team, and you having a consultation to feed back took about 3 weeks in my case. They often go straight from the mpMRI scan to biopsy without an intervening appointment (particularly during COVID), which speeds thing up a bit. But you are probably looking at 4-6 weeks, plus any extra COVID delays.

Prostate cancer diagnosis is rarely very urgent as you may have heard with some other cancers. The cancer usually moves slowly.

We know this is an anxious time, being hit by something new you probably know little about, and not knowing where it's going to take you, and feeling like you've lost control of your lives. I'm afraid you just have to wait out this diagnosis period, supporting each other, and of course you can ask questions here, but we can't predict the results of the diagnosis. When you get to treatment choices, you will be starting to understand things better, and that marks the start of you taking back control.

User
Posted 31 Mar 2021 at 10:00

Hi sorry to see you here.

As the others have said it can takes a few weeks to get a diagnosis. 

They need to gather information from different areas to determine grading and treatment options.

Just need to be patient and start reading up on PCUK packs when you have that Information to hand. And don't be afraid to call the PCUK nurses. They are a power of strength. 

Good luck

Sandy

 

User
Posted 31 Mar 2021 at 17:39
I'm thinking that the scale of 1-5 is probably the pi-rads score.

Pirads 1 is probably an absence of cancer

Pirads 2 is low likelyhood of cancer

Pirads 3 is 50/50, which ties in with their yes there's something there but we don't know what.

Pirads 4 is probably cancer is there

and pirads 5 is highly likely it's there.

So it's not an actual grading but more saying yes or no that something needs investigating.

BTW I may have missed it but do you have a PSA level or a DRE result.?

User
Posted 31 Mar 2021 at 17:42

If you are suspected of having cancer you (he) will be on an expedited ‘pathway’ within our new Covid Health Service, so a biopsy won’t be far off. Then there will be more waiting for the result to be evaluated, and another wait to see a doctor to tell you the news.

Don’t hold your breath as you could be waiting six, eight weeks or longer for a definitive answer.

One consolation is that nearly all prostate cancers are slow growing, so a delay of a few months is usually neither here nor there. I was diagnosed in November and only had surgery the following June whilst I was looking for a suitable surgeon.

Do yourselves a favour and order the free ‘Tool Kit’, a fully comprehensive, information folder from the publications section of this website. Useful, even if he has no cancer as it skirts round other urinary problems.

Fingers crossed for you both and the best of luck.

Cheers, John.

Edited by member 31 Mar 2021 at 17:44  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 01 Apr 2021 at 11:10
Looking at cells under the microscope is the only way to know whether or not he has cancer and, if so, what type and how aggressive it is. Of course no medical procedure is mandatory, but a biopsy is very, very strongly recommended. Don't worry about it: the anticipation is far worse than the actual event. It's undignified and uncomfortable, but not painful. On a par with having a filling at the dentist, I'd say.

Waiting is the worst part of all this. Once you know where you stand you can start living your life again. Try not to get too stressed about it; most forms of prostate cancer are very treatable.

Best wishes,

Chris

User
Posted 01 Apr 2021 at 12:05
1. He needs to definitely have a biopsy. End of.

2. Two friends of mine who had had a rectal ‘stab in the dark’ TRUS biopsy told me not to have that one, as they had done and they subsequently had to have a transperineal biopsy to confirm their cancer. Many men on here have had the same ‘buy one get one free’ experience, and a man on my ward had the same and ended up with a transperineal biopsy eventually.

The infection rates for TRUS biopsies are higher as the biopsy needles pierce the bowel in umpteen places with the obvious risk of subsequent infection. The NHS used to like them as it’s a quick job, probe up the bum, shoot a few needles and discharge the patient with copious antibiotics within 90 minutes. That procedure is rapidly becoming phased out.

But frankly, TRUS and transperineal biopsies are day cases and are not much worse than going to the dentist, and I am a big baby. He might get the all clear if he has a transperineal biopsy where they take around forty samples from the gland, compared to a TRUS which samples only around 12.

Have you ordered the ‘Tool Kit’?

Cheers, John.

User
Posted 01 Apr 2021 at 14:01
As others have already replied above, infection following a biopsy is extremely rare and they will prescribe antibiotics to him anyway to minimise the risk further. Getting an infection isn't as big a deal as dying of cancer.

He is unlikely to be able to speak to a consultant beforehand; that's what the nurse is for so he could always phone her back to ask for more information like whether it is to be done under local or general anaesthetic and how long he might have to wait. In some areas, you don't get allocated to a consultant until after you are actually diagnosed.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 01 Apr 2021 at 17:52
A psa of 17.5 is higher than it should be (but it's not mega)but psa is not a good diagnosis tool for PCa on its own. Several things can raise it and PCa is only one of them.

GP,s don't do extensive training on prostate cancer. They know a little bit about a lot if things. If they have a concern they pass patients onto the various experts at hospitals. So I agree, if you want to chat the nurses are the best bet or this forum. Unfortunately we are all experts in our own way on here.

Anyway, the bottom line, is that biopsy is going to have be done. As I said earlier the are not as bad as the anticipation and once those cells are under the microscope all will be revealed and you will be relieved of this agony of doubt. Good or bad, it's better than this limbo land you are currently in.

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Posted 30 Mar 2021 at 09:49
MRI doesn't produce a diagnosis so it depends what else has already been done. Usually, the MRI will be followed by a biopsy and then possibly other scans. Occasionally, the biopsy is done first and then followed with an MRI.

Once all the results are in, they are looked at and discussed by a multidisciplinary team before the patient is given the results and their recommendations for suitable treatment.

Depending on whether you have already had the biopsy, you could be talking 4-6 weeks for a diagnosis

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 30 Mar 2021 at 09:55

Di,

Sorry you have someone going through this.

The rough sequence of events, if it eventually leads to a prostate cancer diagnosis is:

mpMRI scan of abdomen/prostate
Biopsy
Initial diagnosis given, but extent not always clear yet.
Nuclear Bone Scan (usually, but not always done)
Abdominal CT Scan (rarely done)
PET/CT Scan (rarely done)
Whole body MRI scan (rarely done)
Treatment options given.

Obviously, you bail out of the process any point up to the initial diagnosis if you are found not to have prostate cancer.

Each diagnostic procedure, analysis of the results, discussion by the clinical team, and you having a consultation to feed back took about 3 weeks in my case. They often go straight from the mpMRI scan to biopsy without an intervening appointment (particularly during COVID), which speeds thing up a bit. But you are probably looking at 4-6 weeks, plus any extra COVID delays.

Prostate cancer diagnosis is rarely very urgent as you may have heard with some other cancers. The cancer usually moves slowly.

We know this is an anxious time, being hit by something new you probably know little about, and not knowing where it's going to take you, and feeling like you've lost control of your lives. I'm afraid you just have to wait out this diagnosis period, supporting each other, and of course you can ask questions here, but we can't predict the results of the diagnosis. When you get to treatment choices, you will be starting to understand things better, and that marks the start of you taking back control.

User
Posted 31 Mar 2021 at 09:21

We were hoping to get a diagnosis within the week. It seems we are hopelessly out of touch and it may be many weeks. Thanks so much for your replies as we get little help, or none, at the moment. 

User
Posted 31 Mar 2021 at 10:00

Hi sorry to see you here.

As the others have said it can takes a few weeks to get a diagnosis. 

They need to gather information from different areas to determine grading and treatment options.

Just need to be patient and start reading up on PCUK packs when you have that Information to hand. And don't be afraid to call the PCUK nurses. They are a power of strength. 

Good luck

Sandy

 

User
Posted 31 Mar 2021 at 16:52
Thanks again for the response. We have had a call from the hospital today which was just a day after the scan. On a scale of 1 to 5 she said he was a 3 . They saw a lesion but didn’t know if it was cancer or not. So next is a biopsy . We are relieved the score was not at the very top but still it leaves us anxious. Now we wonder how long before he gets a biopsy. As you say, it is all,a shock and life has suddenly ground to a halt as we can’t plan beyond the next hospital appointment. But your replies have helped.
User
Posted 31 Mar 2021 at 17:39
I'm thinking that the scale of 1-5 is probably the pi-rads score.

Pirads 1 is probably an absence of cancer

Pirads 2 is low likelyhood of cancer

Pirads 3 is 50/50, which ties in with their yes there's something there but we don't know what.

Pirads 4 is probably cancer is there

and pirads 5 is highly likely it's there.

So it's not an actual grading but more saying yes or no that something needs investigating.

BTW I may have missed it but do you have a PSA level or a DRE result.?

User
Posted 31 Mar 2021 at 17:42

If you are suspected of having cancer you (he) will be on an expedited ‘pathway’ within our new Covid Health Service, so a biopsy won’t be far off. Then there will be more waiting for the result to be evaluated, and another wait to see a doctor to tell you the news.

Don’t hold your breath as you could be waiting six, eight weeks or longer for a definitive answer.

One consolation is that nearly all prostate cancers are slow growing, so a delay of a few months is usually neither here nor there. I was diagnosed in November and only had surgery the following June whilst I was looking for a suitable surgeon.

Do yourselves a favour and order the free ‘Tool Kit’, a fully comprehensive, information folder from the publications section of this website. Useful, even if he has no cancer as it skirts round other urinary problems.

Fingers crossed for you both and the best of luck.

Cheers, John.

Edited by member 31 Mar 2021 at 17:44  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 01 Apr 2021 at 09:28
My husband feels he was rushed into making a decision on whether or not to have a biopsy while on the phone. He didn’t have time to think. The person on the phone said it was up to him. Now he is worried about possible infections etc if he has a biopsy. Is that an issue ? I know that I his position I would want the biopsy to then know what I was dealing with. I would hate to just not know. How common is it to have infections after a biopsy ? He has a fear of hospitals anyway so this is all a terrible worry. How long will he have to wait for the biopsy ? He wants to talk to the consulate that whom he has yet to meet but I think he has little chance of that , the way things are. Your replies are so helpful. I feel we are having support !
User
Posted 01 Apr 2021 at 09:35
The biopsy is really the only way forward for a definately diagnosis. As I said the MRI can only give reasons to search deeper.

He will be given antibiotics so I think the risk of infections in quite small.. They are much worse in your head than they are in real life.

What prompted the MRI in the first place? What was his psa and dre result.

User
Posted 01 Apr 2021 at 10:11
I had a biopsy when I was under investigation for PC (which turned out to be positive!). The procedure is not pleasant, but it is not particularly painful (local anaesthetic used). Afterwards, I was given a short course of 2 different antibiotics and told that I must take them without fail, which I did. No problems after that (apart from the PC, now succesfully treated). Blood clots in my urine for a couple of days, which was a bit of a shock, but no infection.

Best of luck with it - and at least you will then know for sure.

Hermit

User
Posted 01 Apr 2021 at 11:10
Looking at cells under the microscope is the only way to know whether or not he has cancer and, if so, what type and how aggressive it is. Of course no medical procedure is mandatory, but a biopsy is very, very strongly recommended. Don't worry about it: the anticipation is far worse than the actual event. It's undignified and uncomfortable, but not painful. On a par with having a filling at the dentist, I'd say.

Waiting is the worst part of all this. Once you know where you stand you can start living your life again. Try not to get too stressed about it; most forms of prostate cancer are very treatable.

Best wishes,

Chris

User
Posted 01 Apr 2021 at 12:05
1. He needs to definitely have a biopsy. End of.

2. Two friends of mine who had had a rectal ‘stab in the dark’ TRUS biopsy told me not to have that one, as they had done and they subsequently had to have a transperineal biopsy to confirm their cancer. Many men on here have had the same ‘buy one get one free’ experience, and a man on my ward had the same and ended up with a transperineal biopsy eventually.

The infection rates for TRUS biopsies are higher as the biopsy needles pierce the bowel in umpteen places with the obvious risk of subsequent infection. The NHS used to like them as it’s a quick job, probe up the bum, shoot a few needles and discharge the patient with copious antibiotics within 90 minutes. That procedure is rapidly becoming phased out.

But frankly, TRUS and transperineal biopsies are day cases and are not much worse than going to the dentist, and I am a big baby. He might get the all clear if he has a transperineal biopsy where they take around forty samples from the gland, compared to a TRUS which samples only around 12.

Have you ordered the ‘Tool Kit’?

Cheers, John.

User
Posted 01 Apr 2021 at 13:01
My husband feels he was rushed into making a decision on whether or not to have a biopsy while on the phone. He didn’t have time to think. The person on the phone said it was up to him. Now he is worried about possible infections etc if he has a biopsy. Is that an issue ? I know that I his position I would want the biopsy to then know what I was dealing with. I would hate to just not know. How common is it to have infections after a biopsy ? He has a fear of hospitals anyway so this is all a terrible worry. How long will he have to wait for the biopsy ? He wants to talk to the consulate that whom he has yet to meet but I think he has little chance of that , the way things are. Your replies are so helpful. I feel we are having support !
User
Posted 01 Apr 2021 at 14:01
As others have already replied above, infection following a biopsy is extremely rare and they will prescribe antibiotics to him anyway to minimise the risk further. Getting an infection isn't as big a deal as dying of cancer.

He is unlikely to be able to speak to a consultant beforehand; that's what the nurse is for so he could always phone her back to ask for more information like whether it is to be done under local or general anaesthetic and how long he might have to wait. In some areas, you don't get allocated to a consultant until after you are actually diagnosed.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 01 Apr 2021 at 16:06
Thanks. I have suggested he talk to the doctor at the surgery. I didn't think he had any chance of talking to the consultant.

His PSA was 17.5 I think. The MRI scan is inconclusive.

User
Posted 01 Apr 2021 at 16:42

If you have medical questions, phone the freephone number at the top of the page and talk to the PCUK nurses. They are extremely knowledgeable and friendly too. I found them really helpful both before and during my treatment. They will be much more knowledgeable than your GP.

As Lyn explained, you don’t actually have a consultant yet. You won’t have one until the diagnostic process is complete and (if cancer is concerned) you decide on what treatment to have. You’ll then be under the case of a urologist if you decide on surgery, or an oncologist if non-surgical treatment such as radiotherapy.

Best wishes,

Chris

Edited by member 01 Apr 2021 at 16:43  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 01 Apr 2021 at 17:52
A psa of 17.5 is higher than it should be (but it's not mega)but psa is not a good diagnosis tool for PCa on its own. Several things can raise it and PCa is only one of them.

GP,s don't do extensive training on prostate cancer. They know a little bit about a lot if things. If they have a concern they pass patients onto the various experts at hospitals. So I agree, if you want to chat the nurses are the best bet or this forum. Unfortunately we are all experts in our own way on here.

Anyway, the bottom line, is that biopsy is going to have be done. As I said earlier the are not as bad as the anticipation and once those cells are under the microscope all will be revealed and you will be relieved of this agony of doubt. Good or bad, it's better than this limbo land you are currently in.

User
Posted 02 Apr 2021 at 21:32

We are in this awful state of just not knowing one way or the other. But we feel a bit more hopeful and people on this forum have been so helpful.

 
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