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New diagnosis - a bumpy start

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Posted 29 Jun 2022 at 00:44

Hi all

Been viewing some of your threads on this site so thought I’d post my experiences to date.

All this information in on my profile, but in short was referred for further investigations (MRI and biopsies) when PSA reached 10 in November 2021.  Was diagnosed in April 2022 with Stage 2 cancer in the right of my prostate (in 3 out of 8 cores) – no spread is anticipated.  Scoring was T2a N0 TX, Gleason Score 3+4=7.

My cancer journey started a little bumpy when first time I saw doctor following biopsies, the news was broken as ‘So you know you have cancer…’.  Of course I didn’t up until that point.  A young HCA also in the room looked distraught with how the news was broken.  Nevertheless, I was probably expecting the diagnosis, though had not had any symptoms, so took it in my stride.  The MDT at my home Health Board recommended radical treatment, either surgery or radiotherapy.  In my mind I knew that I was going to go the surgical route, reinforced when I was told that there was always potential for radiotherapy at a later date if necessary.

At this point, in my naivety, I had expected, that all the support mechanisms would immediately fall into place and that there would be people sat at desks just waiting for me to call (not really, but you know what I mean).  From the date of diagnosis in April, until I finally saw my consultant a couple of months later (and then via a private consultation), I found this period to be so frustrating and stressful.  I never envisaged that I would be constantly be phoning/emailing/texting GPs, cancer nurse specialists, consultant secretaries (of two different Health Boards due to the particular cancer pathway in West Wales), etc.  On most occasions you did not get a response, or if you did it was ‘I’ll ask someone to call you back’ and never did.  Family and friends kept on at me to chase things up, complain, etc. all of which just added to the stress levels.  My case was referred to the urological surgical MDT in our neighbouring Health Board, and for a number of reasons, there was about a month’s delay on my case being discussed.

Some of this administration was just poor, but having worked in the NHS for about 30 years in an admin role, I know that most of the issues was probably due to a lack of resources.  My McMillan cancer nurse specialist is really good, just probably has a massive workload and not available as soon as sometimes I would have liked.  Also, the McMillan office were fab when I contacted them.

Anyway, in the last week I have been to a hospital in Swansea to sign consent forms and pick up pre and post op medication (a carrier bag worth!).  Today I have been down to UHW in Cardiff for pre-op assessment and think it went OK.  Hopefully the surgery will follow in the next 4-6 weeks.

Picking up on some other threads I’ve seen over the last couple of days, Scottish Widows paid out my Critical Illness claim on 3+4=7 which was a great relief as I get no sick pay, having partially retired and now working in the NHS on ‘the bank’.  Also, it allowed me to consider going down the private route.  I did book an appointment at the London Clinic, only for the rail strike to scupper that plan.  However, I was concerned about how easy it would be to source post op support so am glad that finally got the NHS route sorted.

By May my PSA had increased from 10 (in November 2021) to 15.  I understand that there can be a number of reasons for this, but it was a little disconcerting.  To that end, I took the decision to take HT between now and the operation date.  Until November 2021 I had been on testosterone therapy (Nebido) and my testosterone was getting quite high.  I therefore didn’t want to take the risk of my current cancer getting any worse by the time of the op.  I have been reassured that this is highly unlikely, but if it did happen and I hadn’t taken up the option of HT, I would be kicking myself.  Can’t say I like the potential side effects – I have some breast tissue from a prolactinoma (pituitary gland tumour) around 20 years ago.  Hopefully, as the HT will only be short term, then the side effects may not kick in.  One thing I read on one thread was that nothing could be done to be rid of this breast tissue – could this not be removed surgically?

Finally, I have just downloaded the ‘Squeezy for Men’ app for pelvic floor exercises, made an enquiry whether vacuum pumps are available on prescription, and made a note to get some Instillagel and waterproof bed sheets from Dunelm!.  All these things I have picked up off this site.  There is a tremendous amount of experience and knowledge on here, and I am so grateful for it.

So, all in all, the journey so far has been a little rocky.  I didn’t panic when I was told I had cancer, just saw it as something that needs to get sorted and was relieved that the cancer is seemingly not more advanced. The apparent lack of action following diagnosis did cause some anxiety, but now that there seems to be a plan I am a little more relaxed.  Looking forward to having the surgery.  Not looking forward to potential ED and incontinence issues.

Once again, thank you to those who post on here, it makes a huge difference for newbies like me. Very best wishes and the best of luck in all your journeys!

User
Posted 29 Jun 2022 at 00:44

Hi all

Been viewing some of your threads on this site so thought I’d post my experiences to date.

All this information in on my profile, but in short was referred for further investigations (MRI and biopsies) when PSA reached 10 in November 2021.  Was diagnosed in April 2022 with Stage 2 cancer in the right of my prostate (in 3 out of 8 cores) – no spread is anticipated.  Scoring was T2a N0 TX, Gleason Score 3+4=7.

My cancer journey started a little bumpy when first time I saw doctor following biopsies, the news was broken as ‘So you know you have cancer…’.  Of course I didn’t up until that point.  A young HCA also in the room looked distraught with how the news was broken.  Nevertheless, I was probably expecting the diagnosis, though had not had any symptoms, so took it in my stride.  The MDT at my home Health Board recommended radical treatment, either surgery or radiotherapy.  In my mind I knew that I was going to go the surgical route, reinforced when I was told that there was always potential for radiotherapy at a later date if necessary.

At this point, in my naivety, I had expected, that all the support mechanisms would immediately fall into place and that there would be people sat at desks just waiting for me to call (not really, but you know what I mean).  From the date of diagnosis in April, until I finally saw my consultant a couple of months later (and then via a private consultation), I found this period to be so frustrating and stressful.  I never envisaged that I would be constantly be phoning/emailing/texting GPs, cancer nurse specialists, consultant secretaries (of two different Health Boards due to the particular cancer pathway in West Wales), etc.  On most occasions you did not get a response, or if you did it was ‘I’ll ask someone to call you back’ and never did.  Family and friends kept on at me to chase things up, complain, etc. all of which just added to the stress levels.  My case was referred to the urological surgical MDT in our neighbouring Health Board, and for a number of reasons, there was about a month’s delay on my case being discussed.

Some of this administration was just poor, but having worked in the NHS for about 30 years in an admin role, I know that most of the issues was probably due to a lack of resources.  My McMillan cancer nurse specialist is really good, just probably has a massive workload and not available as soon as sometimes I would have liked.  Also, the McMillan office were fab when I contacted them.

Anyway, in the last week I have been to a hospital in Swansea to sign consent forms and pick up pre and post op medication (a carrier bag worth!).  Today I have been down to UHW in Cardiff for pre-op assessment and think it went OK.  Hopefully the surgery will follow in the next 4-6 weeks.

Picking up on some other threads I’ve seen over the last couple of days, Scottish Widows paid out my Critical Illness claim on 3+4=7 which was a great relief as I get no sick pay, having partially retired and now working in the NHS on ‘the bank’.  Also, it allowed me to consider going down the private route.  I did book an appointment at the London Clinic, only for the rail strike to scupper that plan.  However, I was concerned about how easy it would be to source post op support so am glad that finally got the NHS route sorted.

By May my PSA had increased from 10 (in November 2021) to 15.  I understand that there can be a number of reasons for this, but it was a little disconcerting.  To that end, I took the decision to take HT between now and the operation date.  Until November 2021 I had been on testosterone therapy (Nebido) and my testosterone was getting quite high.  I therefore didn’t want to take the risk of my current cancer getting any worse by the time of the op.  I have been reassured that this is highly unlikely, but if it did happen and I hadn’t taken up the option of HT, I would be kicking myself.  Can’t say I like the potential side effects – I have some breast tissue from a prolactinoma (pituitary gland tumour) around 20 years ago.  Hopefully, as the HT will only be short term, then the side effects may not kick in.  One thing I read on one thread was that nothing could be done to be rid of this breast tissue – could this not be removed surgically?

Finally, I have just downloaded the ‘Squeezy for Men’ app for pelvic floor exercises, made an enquiry whether vacuum pumps are available on prescription, and made a note to get some Instillagel and waterproof bed sheets from Dunelm!.  All these things I have picked up off this site.  There is a tremendous amount of experience and knowledge on here, and I am so grateful for it.

So, all in all, the journey so far has been a little rocky.  I didn’t panic when I was told I had cancer, just saw it as something that needs to get sorted and was relieved that the cancer is seemingly not more advanced. The apparent lack of action following diagnosis did cause some anxiety, but now that there seems to be a plan I am a little more relaxed.  Looking forward to having the surgery.  Not looking forward to potential ED and incontinence issues.

Once again, thank you to those who post on here, it makes a huge difference for newbies like me. Very best wishes and the best of luck in all your journeys!

User
Posted 29 Jun 2022 at 06:24
To answer your question about whether breast tissue can be removed surgically - yes it can. Male breast reduction is usually considered to be a purely cosmetic procedure and not funded by the NHS, but certainly in England (I don't know if the rules in Wales are the same) an exception is made when breast growth is the result of prostate cancer HT. You can ask your GP to refer you to a breast clinic.

Best wishes,

Chris

User
Posted 29 Jun 2022 at 07:40

Welcome to this Forum Wayne, although sorry it is due to your PCa. As you have most probably gathered, even though cancer treatment has been accorded some priority, additional delays have occurred at many hospitals due to the Pandemic. Nevertheless, some members have experienced undue delays and administrative errors, so your are right to carefully follow your progress. I am one of a number of men who have had to 'jump through hoops' at times, even getting PALS involved on occasion. Let's hope things work out better for you now.

Edited by member 29 Jun 2022 at 13:24  | Reason: typo

Barry
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Posted 29 Jun 2022 at 11:18

Hey Wayne, It sounds like you are ticking all of the boxes that require ticking. I too picked up so much brilliant information from some of the generous souls on here. Its great to hear that you're treating this as an episode in life you just have to deal with and trying not to get too anxious, definitely the way to go. I was the same as you and, weirdly, looked forward to my operation. Probably natural huh? I had my surgery just over 7 weeks ago now and thankfully everything seems to be going okay. I think I was really fortunate in having a fantastic surgeon, who when i met for the first time told me that we were born just a few weeks apart and that his pool of patients were normally " a fair bit older than us" I was at ease with him right away. Hopefully both your surgeon and surgery are as positive an experience you can hope for.

Re continence, I too downloaded the squeezy app, Im prety sure it made a difference as I was very fortunate to be in complete control from the moment my catheter was removed. I think when it comes to ED, we have to look at that too as something that just needs to be dealt with, I bought a pump, that in all honesty, I thought I might even enjoy using! Errm no, Its not something I find remotely pleasant but needs must. Im still at a stage that if I were to try anything sexual with him, It would be like playing snooker with a rope! But hey, hopefully I will get my cue back soon enough ;)

Stay positive mate and I wish you all the warmth.

Jamie

User
Posted 29 Jun 2022 at 17:37
Practice your desperate face - fingers crossed for you 🤞
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 07 Jul 2022 at 10:20

Thanks JayneyP

Yes, having a date does make you feel a little happier. Doing the exercises - why is it more difficult sitting rather than lying down or standing! 😂

Pre diagnosis I was on testosterone therapy. That stopped in November 21 after PSA increase. Since that date my energy levels have been decreasing steadily and that hasn’t been made any better as I am now on HT. All at a time when I am increasing exercise minutes in order to get a bit fitter ready for the operation. Also reducing alcohol intake. You’d have thought I could sleep on demand. Never mind, 6 weeks isn’t a long time - just power on through! 😊

User
Posted 07 Jul 2022 at 14:58

My husbands sleep pattern went haywire too when he started on HT. He is now just over 6 months post op and had his last prostap injection November 21. His hot flushes appear to have stopped and he’s sleeping much better now. 

Glad you have your surgery date. Wishing you well 

User
Posted 07 Jul 2022 at 20:52

Hi Wayne, It really will come round quick, but the waiting is just awful.  Once the decision is made you want to get going and be out the other side. However, getting your pelvic floor muscles in tip top shape is necessary and sounds like you are preparing as best you can for surgery.  The ht won’t help with the sleep pattern either. As Chris has said, practice the exercises standing up too, it all helps.  X

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Posted 29 Jun 2022 at 06:24
To answer your question about whether breast tissue can be removed surgically - yes it can. Male breast reduction is usually considered to be a purely cosmetic procedure and not funded by the NHS, but certainly in England (I don't know if the rules in Wales are the same) an exception is made when breast growth is the result of prostate cancer HT. You can ask your GP to refer you to a breast clinic.

Best wishes,

Chris

User
Posted 29 Jun 2022 at 07:40

Welcome to this Forum Wayne, although sorry it is due to your PCa. As you have most probably gathered, even though cancer treatment has been accorded some priority, additional delays have occurred at many hospitals due to the Pandemic. Nevertheless, some members have experienced undue delays and administrative errors, so your are right to carefully follow your progress. I am one of a number of men who have had to 'jump through hoops' at times, even getting PALS involved on occasion. Let's hope things work out better for you now.

Edited by member 29 Jun 2022 at 13:24  | Reason: typo

Barry
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Posted 29 Jun 2022 at 09:34

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
One thing I read on one thread was that nothing could be done to be rid of this breast tissue – could this not be removed surgically?

 

In England yes, in theory but the man would have to evidence that the breast tissue was causing significant mental anguish. In all the years I have been on this forum, I can only think of two members who were successful in getting the breasts reduced. Not sure it would be any easier in Wales but I suspect not. Better to ask whether they will prescribe tamoxifen now or give you a shot of RT to the breast buds (but they may say no because you are only going to be on bical for a short time)

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 29 Jun 2022 at 11:18

Hey Wayne, It sounds like you are ticking all of the boxes that require ticking. I too picked up so much brilliant information from some of the generous souls on here. Its great to hear that you're treating this as an episode in life you just have to deal with and trying not to get too anxious, definitely the way to go. I was the same as you and, weirdly, looked forward to my operation. Probably natural huh? I had my surgery just over 7 weeks ago now and thankfully everything seems to be going okay. I think I was really fortunate in having a fantastic surgeon, who when i met for the first time told me that we were born just a few weeks apart and that his pool of patients were normally " a fair bit older than us" I was at ease with him right away. Hopefully both your surgeon and surgery are as positive an experience you can hope for.

Re continence, I too downloaded the squeezy app, Im prety sure it made a difference as I was very fortunate to be in complete control from the moment my catheter was removed. I think when it comes to ED, we have to look at that too as something that just needs to be dealt with, I bought a pump, that in all honesty, I thought I might even enjoy using! Errm no, Its not something I find remotely pleasant but needs must. Im still at a stage that if I were to try anything sexual with him, It would be like playing snooker with a rope! But hey, hopefully I will get my cue back soon enough ;)

Stay positive mate and I wish you all the warmth.

Jamie

User
Posted 29 Jun 2022 at 15:12

Thanks everyone for the positive responses 🙂. Re: the breast tissue I’ll probably wait until post recovery after the RP and broach the subject then. If NHS will not support the treatment may get wuotes for private surgery. May be worth the £s to get some confidence back.

This seems a happy little club, despite the primary membership requirement . Need a sense of humour as so many of the topics peel away the sense of dignity! 😏

User
Posted 29 Jun 2022 at 17:26

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

In England yes, in theory but the man would have to evidence that the breast tissue was causing significant mental anguish. In all the years I have been on this forum, I can only think of two members who were successful in getting the breasts reduced.



As a matter of interest, Lyn, I've been referred myself. Waiting for an appointment at the breast reconstruction clinic, which my local hospital deems the appropriate place for me!

Cheers,

Chris

 

User
Posted 29 Jun 2022 at 17:37
Practice your desperate face - fingers crossed for you 🤞
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 29 Jun 2022 at 18:20
Thanks! I told my GP what the rules were (and he checked to confirm) and he was happy to refer me, but the hospital don't seem too sure what to do with me. Probably not something they get asked to deal with every day 😁.

Chris

User
Posted 29 Jun 2022 at 19:39

😊. I’ll mention it to my GP once I’m done with the HT and see what he/she says.

User
Posted 07 Jul 2022 at 06:42

Hi Bill

Thanks for the reply.

Got my date for robotic prostatectomy now - 18 August. A bit longer than I had hoped, but on short term HT so hopefully the delay won’t cause things to get worse.

Really pleased that things are working out for you now.

The apparant delays do cause extra anxiety, but perhaps my expectations that things would fall into place were just unrealistic.  Everyone I have dealt with in respect of my treatment (well mostly everyone) have been great. It is more the organisation rather than the individuals that is a little clunky.

One thing I have noticed is my sleeping habits have gone a bit haywire! It’s 6:40 am here and I’ve not slept a wink all night. Not sure whether this is a normal thing. In the day I could sleep standing up!

Hope everything goes well for you.

Cheers mate.

Wayne

 

User
Posted 07 Jul 2022 at 08:52
Hi Wayne, having a date for surgery now means you have plan (probably not that plan you wanted) but I know my hubby felt a bit more in control. Keep doing the exercises via the app, will all help. Yes the lack of sleep is rubbish, can totally relate and cups of tea at daft o’clock! Leading up to surgery was a strange time for us, we kept as busy as we could and tried to keep life normal - we managed to get away for a few days and the change of scenery did us the world of good. Wishing you well. X
User
Posted 07 Jul 2022 at 10:20

Thanks JayneyP

Yes, having a date does make you feel a little happier. Doing the exercises - why is it more difficult sitting rather than lying down or standing! 😂

Pre diagnosis I was on testosterone therapy. That stopped in November 21 after PSA increase. Since that date my energy levels have been decreasing steadily and that hasn’t been made any better as I am now on HT. All at a time when I am increasing exercise minutes in order to get a bit fitter ready for the operation. Also reducing alcohol intake. You’d have thought I could sleep on demand. Never mind, 6 weeks isn’t a long time - just power on through! 😊

User
Posted 07 Jul 2022 at 10:27

Wayne, the physio on Andy's zoom meetings suggests guys should practice doing the exercise as they stand up. Leakage when standing is frequently mentioned, so if you can get it to be almost automatic it should help. 

Thanks Chris 

User
Posted 07 Jul 2022 at 10:36

That’s good news. Thanks very much Chris.

User
Posted 07 Jul 2022 at 14:58

My husbands sleep pattern went haywire too when he started on HT. He is now just over 6 months post op and had his last prostap injection November 21. His hot flushes appear to have stopped and he’s sleeping much better now. 

Glad you have your surgery date. Wishing you well 

User
Posted 07 Jul 2022 at 20:52

Hi Wayne, It really will come round quick, but the waiting is just awful.  Once the decision is made you want to get going and be out the other side. However, getting your pelvic floor muscles in tip top shape is necessary and sounds like you are preparing as best you can for surgery.  The ht won’t help with the sleep pattern either. As Chris has said, practice the exercises standing up too, it all helps.  X

 
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