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Psa rise after 1st chemo

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Posted 02 Jul 2022 at 10:31

Please help.  Has anyone had a rise in psa as soon as they started chemo.  My Husbands psa fell from 15.85 to 1.7 on 1 zoladex jab.  Had first chemo 3 weeks ago but has now risen from 1.7 to 2.36 is this a bad sign.  Has anyone had this and did it settle

User
Posted 02 Jul 2022 at 22:43

I have read posts before that say this is possible so hopefully nothing to worry about. 
This will bump your post up so hopefully someone will be able to give you more information soon. 

User
Posted 03 Jul 2022 at 01:41
PSA isn't a reliable indicator during chemo, it can jump up and down a bit as it realises it is being attacked.
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 03 Jul 2022 at 16:19

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
And how is PSA expected to behave one month post last last session of RT treatment?

Usually the effects of hormone therapy dominate, and that continues pulling PSA down just as it does before RT.

If you have RT without hormone therapy, you'll see the radiotherapy will most likely at least half PSA (usually better than that), and then it will continue dropping to a minimum somewhere between 18 and 36 months after RT, before rising to new stable level. During this period you may get PSA bounces, where PSA climbs for 6 months or so (which can be very alarming) before falling back to a lower level than before it started climbing. PSA bounces tend to happen more in younger men with good immune systems. We don't know the precise mechanism, but it's likely to be related to the immune system mopping up dead cancer cells. If you are on HT, this is all masked by the HT.

PSA isn't usually measured until at least 12 weeks after RT, from which you might infer that PSA tests before this are not useful or clinically significant.

Edited by member 03 Jul 2022 at 16:20  | Reason: spelling

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User
Posted 02 Jul 2022 at 22:43

I have read posts before that say this is possible so hopefully nothing to worry about. 
This will bump your post up so hopefully someone will be able to give you more information soon. 

User
Posted 03 Jul 2022 at 01:41
PSA isn't a reliable indicator during chemo, it can jump up and down a bit as it realises it is being attacked.
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 03 Jul 2022 at 05:35
And how is PSA expected to behave one month post

last last session of RT treatment?)

User
Posted 03 Jul 2022 at 14:09
Thank you, we just could not understand why.
User
Posted 03 Jul 2022 at 16:19

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
And how is PSA expected to behave one month post last last session of RT treatment?

Usually the effects of hormone therapy dominate, and that continues pulling PSA down just as it does before RT.

If you have RT without hormone therapy, you'll see the radiotherapy will most likely at least half PSA (usually better than that), and then it will continue dropping to a minimum somewhere between 18 and 36 months after RT, before rising to new stable level. During this period you may get PSA bounces, where PSA climbs for 6 months or so (which can be very alarming) before falling back to a lower level than before it started climbing. PSA bounces tend to happen more in younger men with good immune systems. We don't know the precise mechanism, but it's likely to be related to the immune system mopping up dead cancer cells. If you are on HT, this is all masked by the HT.

PSA isn't usually measured until at least 12 weeks after RT, from which you might infer that PSA tests before this are not useful or clinically significant.

Edited by member 03 Jul 2022 at 16:20  | Reason: spelling

User
Posted 03 Jul 2022 at 16:30

Hi, do you know if it can cause a bounce during chemo 

User
Posted 03 Jul 2022 at 21:51
The chemo bounce is a little different but essentially the same underlying cause - the cancer cells can produce more PSA when they are being attacked.
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

 
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