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Back pain, polyuria esp at night, urine retention- Prostate?

User
Posted 15 Oct 2022 at 21:29

I have been having back pain that gets worse at night. I have also been sufering from LUTS- urine retention, polyuria, frequent urination at night.


I have been looking at symptoms and it seems back pain for a long time coupled with other symptoms could be a sign of prostate cancer. Is there anyone who could advise on the same?


My GP appointment is still some time away.

User
Posted 16 Oct 2022 at 01:28

I'm going to guess with a user name ending 89, that you are 33 years old. That would be quite young to get PCa, not impossible we have had several people in their 30s on this site.


There are so many possible causes of back pain, that it on its own I would say is not a predictor of prostate cancer, however adding on the urinary symptoms it would add more weight to the possibility of prostate cancer.


You may find it difficult to get your GP to take the possibility of you having prostate cancer seriously, if you are under 50.


It may be worth visiting this website and trying to get a free test or paying for a test.


https://mypsatests.org.uk/Events/


Whatever you do let us know. Regulars on this site use posts like yours to build up a better picture of who this disease affects, so we can provide better advice in the future.

Dave

User
Posted 16 Oct 2022 at 01:49

Thank you. I will try to get a PSA test done.


I read that back pain along with LUTS might indicate metastatic prostrate cancer, which is why I am worried.

User
Posted 16 Oct 2022 at 12:41

Also, was sleepy last night so missed the bit about age in your post. I'm 51. 1989 has a different significance, it's not my birth year.

User
Posted 16 Oct 2022 at 13:12

Ok at 51 the GP is supposed to take the risk of prostate cancer more seriously. NHS does not like "screening" for prostate cancer as the test is too unreliable. However if you have potential symptoms the word is "investigation" and then it is quite reasonable to do a PSA test or a DRE (finger up bum).


Don't forget there are hundreds of other possible causes of your symptoms other than cancer so don't worry too much about cancer. Malaria in conjunction with diabetes would have the same symptoms, maybe you would prefer worry about that.

Dave

User
Posted 16 Oct 2022 at 14:44

I did have a UTI test a few weeks ago but it was negative. I've read a lot about people with severe back pain and LUTS being diagnosed with stage 4 and I am really scared. I am a single Dad to two teenagers.

User
Posted 17 Oct 2022 at 01:49

Until you get some tests and results we can't know anything. At the moment the statistics are on your side.


The following stats are based on size of population, number of men diagnosed each year, number of deaths each year, and accuracy of PSA tests. I can't quote sources for these figures, though you can find them on the internet. I have made interpolations and estimates to try and present the figures in a meaningful way.


If you took 100 random 50 year olds and PSA tested them about 40 would come back with an elevated PSA. If you biopsied those 40 about 25 would have signs of cancer, and if you biopsied the other 60 who 'passed' the test about 10 would have signs of cancer.


Of those 35 who were diagnosed by the biopsy only 1 would have disease which needed immediate treatment. Of the 34 remaining 24 will die from other courses before the cancer develops sufficient to kill them, and 10 would go on to need treatment before the age of 70. Knowing which 10 of the 34 that would become serious is unknown. So you would put 24 men on to the treatment pathway who need not be there yet.


Of course you have LUTS and it is probably not a UTI (no test is 100% accurate so you may still have a UTI). BPH or enlarged prostate are other causes of LUTS.


If for my original 100 men you only took men with LUTS you would probably raise the diagnosis rate by 50%.


If you were looking for a 50 year old with stage 4 cancer you would need to increase the sample size to about 100,000 to find someone with stage 4 prostate cancer (we have had 10s if not 100s of people on this site who were diagnosed in their 40s or early 50s T2 or T3 but who were in hindsight already T4. But the sample size is about 15 million males over 40 over a 20 year period).


Back ache is so common in an animal that evolved to hang from branches (stretching back) to standing on two legs (compressing back) that it doesn't change the statistics at all, it is pretty much the price of being human.


So as I said at the start of this post the statistics are definitely on your side. But only tests will let us know for certain.

Dave

User
Posted 17 Oct 2022 at 02:38

Thank you so much for these stats. They are very helpful.


Regarding backache- it's very bad and I can't stand for more than a few minutes, which is why it worries me.

User
Posted 17 Oct 2022 at 07:08

DD1989, many of us men on here suffer with back pain that is probably unrelated to prostate cancer, many women suffer with back pain and they don't have a prostate. Hope it all works out well for you.


Thanks Chris 


 

 
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