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Orgasms without ejaculation

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Posted 18 Dec 2022 at 16:37

I would like to ask how many men here can relate to me.

I have lost my ejaculation due to a surgery near the prostate 4 years ago and I have noticed that my orgasms strength vary quite a bit. They can go from very weak and disappointing to powerful with me shaking.

Over the years what I have noticed is that the harder the erection and mental arousal the more sensitive the glans are and therefore the stronger the orgasm. The less aroused I am the weaker the orgasms become.

With no semen coming out from the penis there is nothing to rub against the glans(from the inside) and thus the weak orgasms therefore a proper hard erection is paramount if you cannot ejaculate, for me at least, otherwise the ending is quite weak and non satisfactory.

The lack of semen needs to be compensated with external stimulation of the glans whereas before with ejaculation I never had to think about getting a strong orgasm, it was there no matter what I did just by the mere fact of me ejaculating. 

Can anyone else who cannot ejaculate relate to this and what tricks have you found to ensure every orgasm is satisfactory? I have no partner so masturbation is my only "way out" from the sexual desires. I don't know if with penetrative sex the stimulation needed for the glans would come from the vagina itself so that what am explaining wouldn't be an issue. I haven't had penetrative sex for a very very long time and never had without condom so I don't know how much the vagina can itself stimulate the glans when you are inside. 

Edited by member 05 Jan 2023 at 12:40  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 23 Dec 2022 at 13:24
As you can see there is a wide response in the way men are affected after Prostatectomy. Some of the physical and chemical means used to boost/improve performance have been given in this thread and where you don't have a partner to help stimulate, some men are helped by watching easily accessible Porn on a lap top. A number of men cannot get a natural erection after surgery even with artificial stimulation. Nevertheless, it is still possible for many men to achieve a climax to varying degrees with a flaccid penis.
Barry
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Posted 04 Jan 2023 at 06:01

After 9 years of post HIFU sex has continued to just get worse. But what is normal for 75 anyway?

The thing I learned is that half the population has an orgasm without an erection - that would be women:)

None of the ED drugs give me any help.  My erection is only about 75% which is not enough for penetration.

To evolve in your sexual relationship with your partner, I say that most of my pleasure is in giving pleasure - oral sex can be a lot of fun to give.  A good sex lube like Astroglide is your friend and even with half an erection I can get a great orgasm with her help. The hard part is getting her to understand the psychological impact of not being able to hold an erection.  It is the incongruous disparity of a high libido with no commensurate stimulation that is the most frustrating.   

User
Posted 04 Jan 2023 at 12:20

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
I describe our vaginal love making as out of this world, we have to keep the bedroom windows shut. When asked about sexual enjoyment after prostatectomy etc, I joke it was worth have the prostate removed just to have a better orgasm.

Dear Chris, what an inspiring story! And I read your profile notes - I see you have had a long journey with several follow up treatments. Your attitude is wonderful and I share your enthusiasm for all the wonderful love making that is possible regardless of erectile function. Warm regards Mish

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User
Posted 19 Dec 2022 at 00:03

Jimmy, all sounds a bit complicated. My orgasms have been a lot better since prostate removal over 8 years ago. Some guys describe them as too sensitive to the point of being painful.

For me ,on a scale of one to ten, self service is 5. Assisted service is around 7. Assisted service in the shower will shower gel is 10. Vaginal intercourse is somewhere around 3000.

Thanks Chris 

User
Posted 19 Dec 2022 at 06:06
Thanks Chris,

Do you mean to say that vaginal intercourse gives you the best orgasm in terms of intensity? Where do you attribute that?

User
Posted 19 Dec 2022 at 07:59

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
Thanks Chris,

Do you mean to say that vaginal intercourse gives you the best orgasm in terms of intensity? Where do you attribute that?

I describe our vaginal love making as out of this world, we have to keep the bedroom windows shut. When asked about sexual enjoyment after prostatectomy etc, I joke it was worth have the prostate removed just to have a better orgasm.

Where do I attribute that ,it is a natural human interaction ? 

The scholars will no doubt contribute to the following. My orgasms are a lot better and more enjoyable than they were before prostate removal. I can only assume the swelling of the penis reduces the sensitivity of pleasure sensors. A tight pump constriction ring make my penis cold and less sensitive. The durex rings recommended by CJ mean for me, that the erection doesn't last as long but the sensitivity is far greater. CJ may throw some light of the intensity of orgasms as he did regain full erections after surgery, I never have.

We also use a flaccid insertion technique, this is were I first experienced the out of the world orgasm and my wife has a knack of getting me in the spot she wants me. The need to use lubrication to achieve insertion does probably increase the pleasure.

Before surgery I do remember experimenting will lubes and found too much lube decreased enjoyment. An old friend used to say ejaculation is 95 percent imagination and 5 percent friction.

It is probably nine years to the day I got my cancer diagnosis and I never imagined I would be discussing information like this.

Thanks Chris 

 

User
Posted 23 Dec 2022 at 04:30
Thanks for that

In my case without my ejaculation the intensity of the orgasm varies a lot and I can no longer be properly satisfied unless I am very turned on mentally. Just being "hard" doesn't do it anymore whereas before once I had ejaculated the satisfaction was always "good enough" but now it can range from disappointingly weak orgasm to very good ones and I have been wondering how many here can relate to me.

User
Posted 23 Dec 2022 at 06:08
My orgasms immediately post op and even after full recovery at say 2 1/2 years have never been as satisfying as before. They were still good and gave that relief you need. Some men report better orgasms but not in my case. Sorry if TMI but I used to ejaculate a lot - well more than the stated average of a teaspoon. Maybe that has something to do with it , I’m not sure. These days I can still have sex and erection even though on HT but orgasm at all is quite elusive.
User
Posted 23 Dec 2022 at 08:52
Always best in the in the place nature intended! But I will always take anything that is offered! They are definitely more variable and often take a long time to build which can be pretty intense. I think the contractions have pretty much got to where they were pre op. Always slightly disappointed when nothing comes out but nothing is better than squirting pee like I was until a couple of years ago.

User
Posted 23 Dec 2022 at 12:30

I had my prostatectomy in July 21. My first stage of rehab, as for many of us, was the vacuum pump. I found that although it gave me a really solid erection the tightness of the ring meant I had almost no sensation during intercourse and certainly didn’t experience orgasm. After some intense online research I discovered a site recommending male vibrators and that has been a great help. My first dry orgasm with the vibratory, my first orgasm of any sort for 6 months, was of body shaking intensity but since then they have varied which TBH is just as it always was. I am now only using Cialis/ Viagra for intercourse and have experienced orgasms either in the vagina or assisted at the end. I still use the pump as physio and very occasionally use the vibrator with maybe an 8/10 result. One of the good things about the vibrator was that you can use it when flaccid and sometimes got me to an erection before orgasm but not always 

User
Posted 23 Dec 2022 at 13:24
As you can see there is a wide response in the way men are affected after Prostatectomy. Some of the physical and chemical means used to boost/improve performance have been given in this thread and where you don't have a partner to help stimulate, some men are helped by watching easily accessible Porn on a lap top. A number of men cannot get a natural erection after surgery even with artificial stimulation. Nevertheless, it is still possible for many men to achieve a climax to varying degrees with a flaccid penis.
Barry
User
Posted 04 Jan 2023 at 06:01

After 9 years of post HIFU sex has continued to just get worse. But what is normal for 75 anyway?

The thing I learned is that half the population has an orgasm without an erection - that would be women:)

None of the ED drugs give me any help.  My erection is only about 75% which is not enough for penetration.

To evolve in your sexual relationship with your partner, I say that most of my pleasure is in giving pleasure - oral sex can be a lot of fun to give.  A good sex lube like Astroglide is your friend and even with half an erection I can get a great orgasm with her help. The hard part is getting her to understand the psychological impact of not being able to hold an erection.  It is the incongruous disparity of a high libido with no commensurate stimulation that is the most frustrating.   

User
Posted 04 Jan 2023 at 07:44

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

After 9 years of post HIFU sex has continued to just get worse. But what is normal for 75 anyway?

The thing I learned is that half the population has an orgasm without an erection - that would be women:)

None of the ED drugs give me any help.  My erection is only about 75% which is not enough for penetration.

To evolve in your sexual relationship with your partner, I say that most of my pleasure is in giving pleasure - oral sex can be a lot of fun to give.  A good sex lube like Astroglide is your friend and even with half an erection I can get a great orgasm with her help. The hard part is getting her to understand the psychological impact of not being able to hold an erection.  It is the incongruous disparity of a high libido with no commensurate stimulation that is the most frustrating.   

 

Marc totally agree with the "giving" part.

Re 75% I assume you have tried a durex cock ring,?  It transforms my lazy, easily lost erection into something that resembles the pre op fella. This is works it's best magic if put on before the "giving" occurs.

User
Posted 04 Jan 2023 at 12:11

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

I would like to ask how many men here can relate to me.

I have lost my ejaculation due to a surgery near the prostate 4 years ago and I have noticed that my orgasms strength very quite a bit. They can go from very weak and disappointing to powerful with me shaking.

Yes, definitely my orgasm strength varies - and I am not sure that is really new. What is new is that orgasms are sometimes more difficult to achieve. Being blessed with both solo and partnered sex, I can report that this variation applies to both situations. If anything I find that penetrative sex suffers more as a result of my less reliable hardness - what somebody called the "concertina effect" means less stimulation from thrusting when I am not fully hard, whereas manual or oral stimulation can take that into account.

About losing ejaculation - I was interested to hear how physically you feel this. For me, it is more of a mental thing - I do miss that fountain of life coming out of me. But I am definitely able to have orgasms at least as exciting as ever before. Some are probably even more intense, partly because they are a bit rarer at least at times. On solo orgasms, the absence of ejaculate makes it possible to self-pleasure in situations where previously the mess would have made it impractical....

The main thing for me is stay with the bigger purpose: expressing libido, love of life (and if present, love of partner) - while finding new physical ways of accomplishing that. 

User
Posted 04 Jan 2023 at 12:20

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
I describe our vaginal love making as out of this world, we have to keep the bedroom windows shut. When asked about sexual enjoyment after prostatectomy etc, I joke it was worth have the prostate removed just to have a better orgasm.

Dear Chris, what an inspiring story! And I read your profile notes - I see you have had a long journey with several follow up treatments. Your attitude is wonderful and I share your enthusiasm for all the wonderful love making that is possible regardless of erectile function. Warm regards Mish

 
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