calcium is it ok

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Posted 03 Sep 2023 at 19:29

hi,I am waiting for a referral to speak to oncologist who treated me with rt/ht finished in 2016 but my testosterone has not recovered, and now I have severe osteoporosis, I have had a reclast infusion but a lot of people refuse osteoporosis drugs due to bad side effects, I have to have a lot more calcium now due to osteoporosis but calcium is not too good for p/c,what's good for one is not good for the other, I try to help myself but no testosterone wins every time, any thoughts please.

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Posted 04 Sep 2023 at 20:34

I can't really help, if I were in your situation I would address the known problem which is osteoporosis and not worry too much about the risk of the cancer returning.

Dave

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Posted 04 Sep 2023 at 22:31

thanks Dave,I had a reclast infusion on the 25th April 2 days later I was in hospital after peeing blood and a fever,there are people who have had all kinds of side effects with osteoporosis drugs vowing to never have any more, there is not much you can do with severe osteoporosis and have to be careful with any exercises, I have got weaker with osteoporosis it's bad enough with no testosterone.

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Posted 05 Sep 2023 at 00:16

Worth getting a medical opinion on this as I guess it's possible to have too much of a good thing. Soon after my initial treatment I switched from cow's milk to Soya and I note this specifically mentions that Calcium has been added.

Barry

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Posted 06 Sep 2023 at 22:28

thanks, I drink alpro soya milk, but is there a problem with calcium and prostate cancer, because I have to have more calcium with osteoporosis.

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Posted 07 Sep 2023 at 12:06

Hi Radar, personal view but if you need calcium in you diet you won't get any from Soya milk. Soya milk especially also has androgenous effects which may or may not make your cancer and osteoporosis worse (depends which study you read!)

Un sweetened Greek Yogurt is what I would be eating. It's low in sugar, high in protein and very high in body absorbable calcium.

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Posted 07 Sep 2023 at 12:27

I was wondering about Soya. It's high in Flavononids, which are similar enough to estrogens to be used by the body as an estrogen.

On the one hand, estrogens can suppress Testosterone, which someone who's already low in Testosterone might be a bit concerned about. (It will depend on why your Testosterone is low, and I don't know if you've had an Andrologist investigate that.)

On the other hand, osteoporosis is caused by lack of estrogens (which is mainly manufactured from Testosterone in men which is why lack of Testosterone causes osteoporosis in men), and the Flavononids can help compensate for lack of estrogens.

I don't know the relative balance of the two opposing effects.

With regards to calcium, there isn't agreement if it's a contributory cause of prostate cancer or not. The proposed mechanism is that it reduces the amount of available Vitamin D in your body, and lack of Vitamin D during puberty does have a good correlation with prostate cancer in later life. If there is any link with calcium, it might be only during puberty, or it might be mitigated by making sure your Vitamin D is well topped up, but I'm guessing here.

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Posted 07 Sep 2023 at 13:19

I’m not sure about this but I am extremely concerned about my own physical state. My knees continue to deteriorate despite my best efforts to strengthen them. I have not stopped taken dairy because I am concerned about osteoporosis and I will try the Greek Yogurt. I am going to a specialist gym class today and am in contact with my acupuncturist to see if he can help.

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Posted 08 Sep 2023 at 00:15

Fermented foods seem to be proving to be beneficial on multiple fronts. This is great news for people who like cheese, yoghurt, kimchi, fermented soy products, etc etc. One of the benefits is presumed to be the cultures convert sugar to something that isn't sugar. So the microbes are using the energy from sugars to produce a product with less sugar and more highly available nutrition that benefits humans.

Greek yogurt is further sieved to remove residual carbohydrates so is higher protein than normal natural yoghurt.

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Posted 08 Sep 2023 at 11:03

I've been playing walking football, and have picked up cracked ribs and knee injuries over the past couple of years. Oncologist has put me on Calceos tablet twice a day for calcium and Vitamin D3, along with one Alendronic Acid tablet to be taken on the same day every week.
My understanding is that it is the hormone treatment that affects the bones, especially if you are on it long term; I've been on prostap for five years, now topped-up with enzalutomide.

Edited by member 08 Sep 2023 at 11:04 | Reason: clarification of dosage

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Posted 08 Sep 2023 at 11:28

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

Hi Radar, personal view but if you need calcium in you diet you won't get any from Soya milk. unquote.

But you will if your Soya Milk has added Calcium as I purchase from .my local supermarket's own brand. It details Calcium 120mg (15%Rl) per 100ml, 300mg (38%Rl) per 25mg portion and Vitamin D 0.89 (16%Rl) and 2 (40%Rl) for the same consumed portions. Other ingredients are also listed and I would have thought other brands would have a similar composition. Problem is what may be beneficial for certain conditions may have the opposite effect on others. For example I read that cheese (which was mentioned by another member), contains a lot of fats and should be limited if you have arthritis. Another food not recommended for people with arthritis is tomatoes although tomato base food is recommended against PCa. When you take a wide variety of medical issues into account, diet can be very restrictive, so perhaps moderation of certain food is the way. I like sardines (in olive oil) but indulge only occasionally, as these are not recommended as I have gout. However so many nice things are generally not good for you.

Edited by member 08 Sep 2023 at 11:32 | Reason: tried to get reply out of italics

Barry

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Posted 08 Sep 2023 at 15:45

In a lot of places - anywhere you see limescale on taps etc - there is a lot of calcium in the tap water.

User

Posted 08 Sep 2023 at 20:19

Limescale is for southerners. My kettle in Manchester looks brand new.

Dave

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Posted 08 Sep 2023 at 23:37

Regarding calcium absorption OldBarry I have no doubt that the bit of ground up limestone they put in soya milk in an attempt to make it calcium equivalent to milk will not be absorbed as effectively by your body. Because it also lacks vitaminD K and magnesium it will also probably cause arterial plaque rather than be deposited in bones where it is actually required.

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Posted 09 Sep 2023 at 02:51

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

Interesting, I will look further into this but I do also have one, 1000 lU tablet(the lower strength one) a day of Stexerol-D3 as prescribed by my GP and I note from the information leaflet that Mangnesium stearate is also an included ingredient. I also note that there is a warning of Hypercalcaemiia (too much calcium in the blood). This is an uncommon side effect of Stexerol -D3 which can cause problems they list and to stop taking the medication and seek medical help if the symptoms appear.. "Your doctor should monitor your blood calcium level during long-term treatment with Stexerol-D3." There are other potential side effects.

So as I said in my initial reply on this thread, a good idea to get medical advice before taking high dose of Calcium supplement.

Barry

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Posted 09 Sep 2023 at 08:32

A good quality soya milk has added vitamins B, D. Added minerals zinc, magnesium, Iodine.

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Posted 09 Sep 2023 at 16:33

Nice can't beat a few additives.

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Posted 09 Sep 2023 at 22:24

If you want to absorb more of the vitamins and mineral content you need to drink whole milk.

Additives are loaded into many food stuffs. Won't touch breakfast cereal. Porridge Oats only.

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